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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia
« on: August 20, 2012, 04:12:19 pm »
Why am I scummy, again?
It's something you did 12 pages ago. Wouldn't you like to know?

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If we're going for lurkers. Vote: O
What does he have real life or something?
He's active in other threads all the time, but he might just have not noticed this thing started already. It's been what, a couple of hours?

And just a warning about O's general playstyle, he is not known for being around with long constructive posts all the time..

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I see, nevermind.

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so scum shot O and our vig shout Insom.

I don't see a conflict.

I wish to clear this up: I did not shoot Insomniac. However, he has said that he has changed roles more than once; I figured that I shot the person who was actually Tunnel last night.

My role switched twice, the first shuffle I was stash, I have no idea what it did, I am not stash OR tunnel anymore
Oh so you are suspecting the tunnel gives a cop-ability when it's on a town player, and rolecop when it's on scum? What makes you think that?

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Hey guys, let's ease up on the RVS votes for me a bit here. Wouldn't want to accidentally lynch me already. It only takes 5 votes, people.
Fair enough.  Unvote.

Any reasoning as to why it shouldn't be you, though?

Because I'm not scum.

Also, all things being equal, we're probably better off lynching a noob. Look what happened in MVII (what happened was the 3 most experience players died Day 1, Night 1, Day 2... and scum cruised to an easy win).

Aren't we actually better off lynching Mafia? Do we really want to kill off town numbers just to get the people who don't really know what they're doing out of the game?

Of course we're better off lynching mafia. Is that actually a question?

Not a sincere one, no. I just mean, why should we have any motivation in our decision whatsoever other than trying to root out who is actually scum?

Because, knowing that no town has ever killed a scum on Day 1, it's worthwhile keeping in mind a need to preserve quality town players.
In mafia VI, would you have guessed how awesome PPS was going to play?
I do agree we want to keep quality players around. But I think it's better to weed out lurkers than weed out new guys to accomplish that.

Unvote, shortest RVS ever.

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cayvie, it's a very nice theory except... why would Insomniac lie like that?

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Hey guys, let's ease up on the RVS votes for me a bit here. Wouldn't want to accidentally lynch me already. It only takes 5 votes, people.
Fair enough.  Unvote.

Any reasoning as to why it shouldn't be you, though?
Rolefishing is not very pro-town.
I wasn't rolefishing...mostly since I didnt know what that is.  I can guess though.  Mostly just trying to stimulate some conversation.
The only way Robz can answer that question (besides "I'm town") is by roleclaiming, which is hugely anti-town obviously. What other reason could there be?

@Robz
While that is kind of true, we also only got 1 power role (who died night 1), timchen went crazy, I'm generally a liability and scum just played masterfully. It's not really fair to say M VII was lost because you, Galzria and Frisk died first. That's not to say I dont like having you around, I do. But I  think going after lurkers is going to be better than going after new people.

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Hey guys, let's ease up on the RVS votes for me a bit here. Wouldn't want to accidentally lynch me already. It only takes 5 votes, people.
Fair enough.  Unvote.

Any reasoning as to why it shouldn't be you, though?
Rolefishing is not very pro-town.

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For you more experienced folk, though, what are some of the strategies for going about this? What should I look for in people's posts? Is Eevee talking too much? Is that suspicious? Is anyone being too quiet? Is that suspicious? Does anyone have valid suspicions with evidence that they'd like to share yet? Can I trust any of you scum?

Well I'm not experienced, but O hasn't said anything since being the first to confirm. Maybe he's asleep or something. Would a rundown of timezones be helpful to narrow the scope of potential future excuses? Also, does anyone know of a good source (like a mafiascum article) on Day 1 behavior. It seems unlikely to me that scum will be so careless as to out themselves without some clever prodding.
The problem with any article is that any scum player can read it as well, and act accordingly. Just think for yourself!

I'm GMT+2, but my sleep schedule is so wacky it almost doesn't matter.

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Day 1 is generally impossible. First we'll joke around a bit, then someone will say something someone else is going to pick on, eventually we'll form a wagon which then fizzles when the accusee claims a power role. We hastily find some other target, he claims VT, we go "sweet!" and lynch him, he does flip VT. Then we analyze the wagon/night kill tomorrow and hopefully start finding scum.

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Were the black markets allowed to cooperate and pick same stuff, or did you have to do it individually?

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@GeoLib
Yeah, one guy sends in the kill order. It does matter who it is though, because possible jailkeepers gonna possibly jailkeep.

(This question is kind of silly, but for example I liked how Jorbles thought it would be smart for mafia to hedge their bets a bit by having the goon do the kill instead of the rolecop.)

Oh. That makes sense. So let's say you and Robz both send in NKs. Whoever sent his last is the one who is considered to be doing the NK, and if they're jailed then it doesn't happen, correct?

Also, I think jorbles, wasn't saying that it was better for you to hedge your bets. More like, "well the rolecop gets to do the investigating, so the goon should get to do the killing." only fair. Is that the strategy you'll be following?
I dont understand why both mafia members would ever send in a kill. Like, they agree on a target and a killer and then that person sends in the order?
But personally, I think the guy who is less likely to be jailkept should do it. And generally I would assume that would be the newer player, because power roles like to target people they deem most influential to the game.

@me being memorable

Must be the cute avatar.

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As for my own play, I was actually trying to look scummy. Because I was the Jailkeeper, I had a duty to live. And I thought I would likely get NKed pretty quickly unless scum had a reason to leave me alive, and the only reason I could give them was to look suspicious myself.

At the end of the day, it was hard to believe that you would keep playing in such a scummy manner. For that reason, we were fearful that you would wake up on d2 and play a normal, protown game and be a valuable addition to town.
This was the thing I always hated the most about IRL mafia. We played with idiotic rules that allowed the doctor to protect himself, so almost every time the most experienced* player lived to see day 2, town instantly went "oh, Eevee lives, he has to be scum!". And it was actually correct to think so, because I died N1 so so often. Frustrating stuff!

*This is hardly a brag, I always played with family so the level of play was.. not very good. It was always very fun though, even if I was dead a lot.

Actually, I should start a thread here about a reasonable rule set for IRL mafia. We always played with both doctor and cop, no other power roles, daystart and doctors who protect themselves until the very end of the game (in hindsight lol why didn't we think of changing this ever!?). Could be improved, but not sure how.

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if you're one-shot bulletproof, do you get told when you're shot?
AFAIK you are not, but not sure and this is role madness anyways.

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@GeoLib
Yeah, one guy sends in the kill order. It does matter who it is though, because possible jailkeepers gonna possibly jailkeep.

(This question is kind of silly, but for example I liked how Jorbles thought it would be smart for mafia to hedge their bets a bit by having the goon do the kill instead of the rolecop.)

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Main point of the questions is to get to know how you think. It does make future lying a bit harder which is another bonus, but mainly it's just a good starting to point on forming reads on guys I have not seen before. But you know, no worries, as Robz pointed out, one long post full of information and I'll move you to obvtown-category.

Meanwhile,I present you Robz being afraid of me catching him with a sneaky RVS question:

Robz, what would have been your least favorite role to receive in this game?
Easy. Vanilla Townie. You?

Oh and in case someone thinks I'm serious with this accusation.. only like 30%.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia
« on: August 20, 2012, 02:13:58 pm »
Yeah more (info) the merrier. O is just trolling, as per usual.

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2)  I have read some of the nose-stealing thread, thereby being forewarned of Robz and Eevee shenanigans.
What do you mean by this? We were both town, and Robz didn't post much at all before his early demise. I on the other hand lived until the end, which proved to be the town's demise because I'm bad at playing well.

Everyone seems to think mafia IV was the bomb, makes me sad for missing it and never even reading any of it. :/ Oh well, teaches me to never miss a game again!

I echo Robz, knowing some background would be nice.

So, a survey to all the new faces:
1) Any prior playing experience?
2) Have you read any of the games here, if yes, what games?
3) Does your role involve trying to kill all townies by orchestrating a night kill with your team mates?
4) If we were a mafia pair, which of us would do the kill tonight?

Also, fishing for this much information so quickly is obvscum, right?
Fishing for information of how you would play as mafia is obvscum? Sure..

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ftl's logis sound (although cayvie is probably going to claim x-shot vig and say he didnt shoot last night)
Vote: Glooble, need to wake him up.

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Uhm 4) was a serious question. Answering "nice try" is like saying "don't you know I can't respond to this truthfully!?" How no one else is voting for Robz for his scumslip is beyond me, but personslly I'm happy I found his scum partner already.

Oh, I see I've screwed myself already. Didn't take long. It was more that I have serious trouble answering hypothetical questions that don't apply to me. Now to shut up for a bit.
Don't mind Eevee. If you provide a lot of info, he'll clear you every time.
He is not though, obvscum.

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I do find it a bit scary that Volt is able to hop in, say something and a bunch of people agrees witout even questioning him.
Volt does have an unbelievable ability of always sounding rational, unbiased and composed. Shouldn't always fall for it.. but I do.

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Uhm 4) was a serious question. Answering "nice try" is like saying "don't you know I can't respond to this truthfully!?" How no one else is voting for Robz for his scumslip is beyond me, but personslly I'm happy I found his scum partner already.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia
« on: August 20, 2012, 01:13:19 pm »
I really started making the effort to be more active after I realized how lurky I had been. Sad I'm still in the HC lurker category for Robz, got to change that.

For the record, I think ensuring we lynch someone is somewhat of a high priority today, so we might want to try finding some consensus here pretty soon already. 24 hours to deadline and no serious lynch candidate would not be good at all, and it might very well happen because of late claims or something if we dont get busy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia
« on: August 20, 2012, 12:53:04 pm »
Whoever we decide to lynch, we need to do it well enough in advance of deadline to allow time for any roleclaims.  Given the setup, there appears to be only about a 25% chance of each individual player being a VT.  So odds are whoever we push to L-1 is going to roleclaim and then we need time to deal with that.

I actually think we need to stop this "you need to claim at L-1 shenanigans" that f.ds is into.

And look, I am following everything past to point of my joining, don't see why it is a problem.
Surely you see why reading everything would be beneficial? Personally I always feel guilty for being so lazy with re-reading, and always admire the guys who make the effortto do that (Volt comes to mind as an example).

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Everyone seems to think mafia IV was the bomb, makes me sad for missing it and never even reading any of it. :/ Oh well, teaches me to never miss a game again!

I echo Robz, knowing some background would be nice.

So, a survey to all the new faces:
1) Any prior playing experience?
2) Have you read any of the games here, if yes, what games?
3) Does your role involve trying to kill all townies by orchestrating a night kill with your team mates?
4) If we were a mafia pair, which of us would do the kill tonight?

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