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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Weird Combo: Apprentice/Noble Brigand
« on: August 26, 2012, 01:42:56 am »
It's weird and oddly disappointing to see you also make posts that are not poems.

But yes, apprentice likes having lots of medium-priced fodder and bank really likes big hand sizes. I think apprenticing the brigands away and using woodcutter as your terminal would have been superior though.

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That is absolutely true. Scum is very unlikely to name their scumbuddy there (even more so if they realized what Grujah was doing).

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Yes I joined the pops wagon very very early... but I stated my case on that one. He had a vote on himself. I wanted him to unvote himself and unvoted once he did as well

I was the second vote on Lekkit: Frisk was before me, both of us voted as prods. I then backed up my vote on Lekkit with the quote that you linked... basically saying that my vote on him was first there as a prod but then stayed as he began the "woe is me." At that point, Frisk, myself and Robz were on board.

I then cast the first vote on Voltgloss.  Here you have me in a catch-22. You say that my read and vote (which was the first) and wasn't sheeping on anyone is scummy but you also say that any voted that I cast on people already with votes is scummy. And yet at othertimes you have said that people who weren't voting are scummy. So yeah if you look at it that way, I am scum no matter what.

I then avoid joining and sheeping reads on Robz and Insomniac, scum yuma would have jumped all over one of those.

And then---I am the first vote on Lekkit the second time around for his quick vote on Robz after the Voltgloss reveal.

Eevee your analysis sucks! Go back and reread.
I believe it is said that arguing with scum is pointless.  :) I obviously might be wrong and if this wagon starts to pick up, I promise I'll reread you to confirm my read.. but I just read the whole thread and you were by far the scummiest I think. Too many "accidentally winding up voting for a townie" - scenarios.. And no one had suspected you until here, which would fit the scum yuma profile pretty well too.

Fwiw, I read the "woe is me" as a huge town tell. In my notes I have a FoS for all the people who didn't see Lekkit was town day 1. Rereading it reminded me how obvious it was!

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yuma, you have been "suspecting" both Lekkit and Voltgloss, also voting in a way I would call opportunistic. I just read though everything, remember. It seems whenever there was a wagon for a confirmed townie forming, yuma was there to join.

@Galzria
Robz is somewhat scummy to me, but I couldn't quite put a finger on it. Everyone should remember the big case Voltgloss had on Robz though.

Insomniac too (less than you and O) contributed to me and Lekkit not dying day 1. So he definitely gets some town points for that from me, but other than that.. man it's hard, I didn't see anything concrete in his behavior and generally he always reads scummy to me so I don't know. Definitely prefer yuma over both these guys!

By the way, Voltgloss's day 2 post touching these guys:
OK.  Now that everyone has weighed in, let's see where we stand.  There are three primary wagons up for discussion:  Robz, Insomniac, and Lekkit.

Robz is the #1 choice for 5 people (me, Lekkit, Galzria, Insomniac, timchen) and the #2 choice for 1 person (Eevee).

Insomniac is the #1 choice for 4 people (Eevee, Robz, O, theorel) and the #2 choice for 1 person (ehunt).  {Note: ehunt is currently voting Insomniac, but has said he'd prefer to be voting Lekkit}

Lekkit is the #1 choice for 3 people (ehunt, yuma, Captain_Frisk), the #2 choice for 2 people (Robz, me), and I think the #3 choice for 1 person (Eevee).

That's 6 potential votes for Robz, 5 potential votes for Insomniac, and 6 potential votes for Lekkit.

We're not at 7 yet, but it's close.

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Ohkay, here again!

I was going to post Grujah seems super town here even before the claim, and even more so now. Absolutely not suspecting him one bit.

Would most want to know Axxle's alignment (because of the softclaim).

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I see yuma posted while I was compiling that behemoth. I forgot to mention his Volt-case, which also feels scummy to me. But yeah reread his day 2 stuff and see for yourself.

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Whoah, it feels WONDERFUL to have fully caught up with everything! Rereads are always so eye-opening.
First of all, holy moly how terribly I have played until this point. No wonder you almost lynched me.

Then, onto the good stuff!

First of all, seems rather obvious a vig shot timchen (good choice I think, wouldn't have been my first  but he never got wagoned despite the lurking which is certainly scummy) and scum shot Voltgloss. Now, I don't necessarily think scum shooting Volt implicates Robz, Volt was active and helpful, and scum teams without Robz would have killed two birds with one stone in both killing a good townie and framing Robz with a single kill.

I'm on O's side in the arguments with theorel. Of course, I have the added information of knowing I'm town. O also is easily the towniest player here to me, I would even go as far as saying OBVTOWN, but none of you have the luxury of knowing my alignment. I hadn't earlier realized how much info being wagoned gives you when you know your own alignment. Near death experiences are gooood in this game!

Another guy I have a strong town read on is Galzria, largely for same reasons. On top of not hammering me and realizing Lekkit was town day 1 (man why did I forget this day 2 >_<), they also have acted as voice of reasons on multiple occasions (imo).

O and Galzria got a lot of heat for freaking refusing to lynch a townie day 1, I mean are you serious? These guys are the main reasons we got a nolynch day1 when all the alternatives were town! Galzria even tried to wagon Insomniac who a lot of people think is scum now. Mild FoS on Frisk, ehunt and cayvie for jumping on the Lekkit wagon on day 1, rereading it now everyone should have realized he was town imo.

Summarizing my town read on O in one post:
FOS: Many Lekkit Voters

"It's deadline and we need a lynch" is not a valid lynch reason. Its an excuse/coverup for when someone flips town.

I will proceed to nolynch over hammering lekkit or eevee unless some major development comes. So either find a better wagon or get a lynch without me.
This is just 100% accurate and town behavior.

Insomniac made the infamous nolunch-vote 3 posts after that one, and I actually think it also clears him somewhat. I do think scum would have joined the wagon at that point.

Frisk is playing really cautious, could be scum wanting to avoid the spotlight or just cautious town.

Robz I just don't know. This post:
(longish, not quoting but that's the link)
has me strongly believing both him and Galzria can't be scum.. but I already have the town read on Galz.

I could be persuaded to vote for Insomniac or Robz, probably ehunt and theorel too, but who I'd like to see a wagon is yuma.

I played scum with him in mafia III, and the way he is behaving here seems very similar. Not posting a lot, sheeping other's reads a lot (often when they are wrong, like repeatedly in the Lekkit case). Man I wish I noted the post #s but it's basicly every post of his that make me think this. Sure, he could have just been wrong a lot but seems awfully opportunistic to me. I'm sadly realizing I'm not as good as Volt or Galzria at presenting my cases, but go back and read his posts (especially day 2 so around 700 posts mark or so), with the info that Lekkit is town in your mind. This was where I got the idea from:
, and everytime he posted the feeling got stronger and stronger.

Summary: O and Galz stuck their neck out for two townies (me and Lekkit) day one, that is just something I don't see scum doing (they are being suspected repeatedly for it too!). Yuma is my strongest scum read and I want to Vote: yuma so bad I'm doing it twice: Vote: yuma.

Vigs hitting town are by thereally nasty business, and on the whole this setup indeed seems to be biased in mafia's favor.

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Not worried I'll be wrongfully lynched (for the reasons I gave earlier), thank you morgrim.

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On what grounds is the wagon on me forming? Day 1 lynches are always sort of random, we only have a couple of days and having some RVS votes on you when the time starts being of the essence is the usual way of being the day 1 town lynch, so I would like this addressed.

pingpongsam, Axxle, Morgrim7 and Galzria, I would ask you to explain why you vote for me or unvote, please. Town doesn't want to lose me, and having RVS votes on me at this point only helps scum.
Everybody was doing it. This is BM.
So your reasoning for voting me is "well everybody else wants you dead too."?

Doesn't that sound like... very very mafia-y? Ima Vote: Morgrim7

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If you're town AND suiciding is really the best plan for town AND you're willing to do it, what do you gain by talking about it and not following through? Nothing.

If you're scum and suiciding is really the best plan for town AND you say you're willing to do it, what do you gain by talking about it and not following through? Town cred.
Obviously you should never suicide before you've said everything you want to say (and then you flipping town will make those statements credible). Robz and cayvie being V/LA makes doing anything at the moment impossible.

How do you think the suicide-option would be best used? If it isn't clear, I think the most suspected townie should suicide (to maximize the benefit of clearing someone's name and validating he indeed speaks from a townie perspective).

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Eevee, this is stupid. Anyone can talk about committing suicide. You don't get town cred until you actually do it. And on that score, we're all in the same boat. Cayvie, if anything, is a little worse because she came UP with the idea but didn't follow through. It's very much like self-voting when you have a wagon on you. It's as likely a scum fakeout as a town move.
No one even realized it was a possibility before cayvie pointed it out. And it is SO good for town whoever does it (!!!), why would scum cayvie tell us we can do it?
Obviously snap suiciding would have been so lol bad idiotic of her it's not even worth discussing, what on earth are you talking about?

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IINM I started the wagon on Eevee.  My reasoning was given and in light of no substantial reasons it stands. That said, the rapidity with which it grew seems scummy. However, with a 10 vote requirement and a 5 day window the level of concern being expressed feels scummy.
It doesn't matter that much how many people needed to lynch I think. When there are three or two days left, everyone is going to start panicking "omg we are heading to a nolynch" and voting for me saying "well, I dont have a town read on him either and it's maybe too late to start a new wagon anyways". I expect scum to get on it somewhat early when it's still innocent and then town to hammer just to avoid nolynch. Sigh.

That is hands down the scummiest thing I've seen said in quite some time. Seriously, worried about L-6 five days before deadline? Lol.
It might be incorrect / overly cautious, but how is it scummy?

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IINM I started the wagon on Eevee.  My reasoning was given and in light of no substantial reasons it stands. That said, the rapidity with which it grew seems scummy. However, with a 10 vote requirement and a 5 day window the level of concern being expressed feels scummy.
It doesn't matter that much how many people needed to lynch I think. When there are three or two days left, everyone is going to start panicking "omg we are heading to a nolynch" and voting for me saying "well, I dont have a town read on him either and it's maybe too late to start a new wagon anyways". I expect scum to get on it somewhat early when it's still innocent and then town to hammer just to avoid nolynch. Sigh.

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I'm in too many games (finally). The problem isn't that I don't have time to read or post, but rather that I just can not remember what has happened / keep mixing up my reads between games all the time. As a solution I started re-reading this thread to get some idea what is what, on page 11 atm. Will hopefully come up with a contribution in a couple of hours!

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I'm not going to pretend I'm willing to kill myself to get some town cred.

Maybe in theory it's better, but in practice it's still volunteering to kill the only person you know is town. If I'm going to vote it's going to be for one of my two scum candidates: Eevee or cayvie.

Maybe we could do a pseudo-vote, where we all vote with something other syntax like

Suicide: cayvie

and have everyone agree that whoever that vote targets will suicide? That way it's like having an extra day to lynch with no night in between.

Disagree & think you are pretending to be.. less than intelligent because you realize how this is game over for you
As a townie, you have every reason to suicide! Sure, voting for suicides could work too, but given how scum will not volunteer to do it ( like you have) and townies like me and cayvie realize it's the pro-town move and do it without a vote..

I mean, this is not like "lynch me and then if I flip town, lynch x". It's basically validating your voice in the discussion! I'm absolutely against cayvie killing herself, she is my strongest town read already, I don't need her to prove herself. You (jot) and me, we are the most suspected persons here. Sure, I would like it the most if you did it, but you don't seem to be willing to. Would you do it if we voted and you had the majority?

Me commiting suicide will guarantee the two other townies listen to what I have (had) to say, it's like self-investigating. Say Robz finally got back and we decided "ok we need to trust him". I could kill myself and tell cayvie and robz to just lynch you and win (after I flip town). If you were town, I'd think you'd make the same offer but all I see is you trying to weasel out of the idea because you realize it makes you lose this, guaranteed.


But actually sure, voting isn't that bad because this whole idea is doomed if there is two scum. I vote that Jot commits suicide (and would actually rather kill myself than see robz die, because I don't want cayvie to choose between me and jot). We obviously need Robz to chime in still, and I reserve a right to change my vote after he has.

tl;dr
Strongly opposed to cayvie commiting suicide, at the moment opposed to robz doing it, #1 preference would be jot and I'd be fine with myself as well (because I think I'm suspicious and the confusion/distraction works in scum's advantage).

One more thing: cayvie suggested she'd kill herself before anyone else had even realized it could be done. Just no way she'd do that if she was scum? Jot obviously disagrees because he has to.

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On what grounds is the wagon on me forming? Day 1 lynches are always sort of random, we only have a couple of days and having some RVS votes on you when the time starts being of the essence is the usual way of being the day 1 town lynch, so I would like this addressed.

pingpongsam, Axxle, Morgrim7 and Galzria, I would ask you to explain why you vote for me or unvote, please. Town doesn't want to lose me, and having RVS votes on me at this point only helps scum.

Ha! You're funny.
100% serious though?

Why so concerned?
Did you read the post? Deadline in 5 days, no real scumhunting going on, dont want to be the townie that gets lynched for the sole reason of happening to have RVS on him because people want or claim to want to avoid nolynching.

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On what grounds is the wagon on me forming? Day 1 lynches are always sort of random, we only have a couple of days and having some RVS votes on you when the time starts being of the essence is the usual way of being the day 1 town lynch, so I would like this addressed.

pingpongsam, Axxle, Morgrim7 and Galzria, I would ask you to explain why you vote for me or unvote, please. Town doesn't want to lose me, and having RVS votes on me at this point only helps scum.

Ha! You're funny.
100% serious though?

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On what grounds is the wagon on me forming? Day 1 lynches are always sort of random, we only have a couple of days and having some RVS votes on you when the time starts being of the essence is the usual way of being the day 1 town lynch, so I would like this addressed.

pingpongsam, Axxle, Morgrim7 and Galzria, I would ask you to explain why you vote for me or unvote, please. Town doesn't want to lose me, and having RVS votes on me at this point only helps scum.

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Okay, can't stay away from this thread, too exciting. Good news is, we have almost two weeks, plenty of time to make the right decision.

Theory question first: Isn't someone suiciding first always beneficial for town? We are at lylo anyways, and it is better to choose from less targets, correct? This is obviously only true if there is just one scum left, but that has to be the case.. right?

Since jotheonah is scum and won't do it, and I'm probably the 2nd most suspicious here, I think I should do be the one to do it. Btw, curious how it is super beneficial for town to one of its own to suicide before the lynch, and jotheonah is the only one who isnt volunteering. If he was town, obviously he should remove the distraction by suiciding, to avoid a mislynch.But he cant because he is scum.

Anyways, anyone disagree with this?Jot, what do you think of someone commiting suicide first, and who do you think it should be?

The one to die obviously shares his thoughts before biting the bullet, so the two remaining townies still have his input in making the decision of who to lynch. Robz being V/LA sucks hard because we (me and cayvie, the townies in my mind) are super eager to go forward and kind of forget him because he is not around (so super convenient if Robz is scum). But since Frisk trusted him so much, I feel/hope he has  some way to "clear" himself for us. Maybe Frisk investigated him? No one seems to remember, such a long game.

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Forum Games / Re: V/LA announcements
« on: August 25, 2012, 01:48:31 am »
A little overwhelmed atm (might be because of 16 hour poker session). Will probably take a day off from all electronics and catch up with all the games sometime sunday. Sorry guys!

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I agree that Eevee reeks of scum at the moment
Vote: Eevee
I'm not smelling it, care to tell the world why?

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Werewolves usually claw people to death, yes.

The current consensus is that there is no cult, the religious stuff was just because O was a priestess.

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Are you planning on living long, and prospering?

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Who would strangle? I mean its a brutal way to kill, would a town-aligned vigilante STRANGLE someone? I mean seems most probable, but also weird!

I misread that also, that clears the confusion regarding cults killing people all of a sudden. Good.

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I would guess one of those is probably a vig. Looks like mafia + vig + serial killer, and werewolves missed.

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