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vote: ADK

Probably the best odds I'm gonna get

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Anyway, the important bits:

ADK is a player who is NOT ALIGNED WITH HUMANS.  He does not deny thing point.  He can win with humans, but can just as easily (or perhaps more easily), win with cylons, or others.  There's no reason to count him in the human column.

If mafia get to the point where they can just win with ADK, one mafia can claim, then threaten the NK if he doesn't join them.  And ADK, if he plays to win, which everyone should, will just join them.

ANYONE who says they would rather lose as 3rd party than win as 3rd party with mafia is either lying or should not be allowed to play a game where everyone should be trying to win.

So, ADK is a clear and present danger to town's chances of winning.  There is no argument that can be made against that.  He can make emotional pleas that he prefers to win with town.  There are plenty of things people prefer, but that doesn't change what we do when push comes to shove.

I get where you're coming from here, but there's something I've mentioned before that's relevant: I don't have to be alive in order to win, so scum can't make me collaborate just by threatening to kill me

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ADK, why did you decide to block my (next) night actions?

That actually blocked yours and LL's actions last night. And I did it to help my wincon

Ah, okay. What was it that we might have done that we were trying to prevent?

Killed mix, killed me

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@scola as mix said, I was right about there being a scum among the civilians. Explaining why I thought that at this point only helps scum, which presumably you don't want

It also helps town. Presumably you do want that.

Trust me: it doesn't

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@scola as mix said, I was right about there being a scum among the civilians. Explaining why I thought that at this point only helps scum, which presumably you don't want

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ADK, why did you decide to block my (next) night actions?

That actually blocked yours and LL's actions last night. And I did it to help my wincon

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Vote: Dylan
Can you help us understand your implicit trust in MiX's towniness?

Unfortunately, no, because doing so would require you to have trust in my explicit towniness, and I'm claimed third party

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Vote: Dylan

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I don't think Robz is scum. vote: Jack

Why not?

I'm not trying opposed to the jack exile, and I'll be around close to feeling to switch my vote if need be, but I do not understand the resistance to exiling robz

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I realize that we're close to deadline and I'm complicating things even more, but:

Based on my win condition, I have reason to believe that it's very likely that there's at least one scum who is a civilian, and probably not more than one. Right now robz is my best guess for tha, but it's also another subgrouping to consider for dylan's question

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I have a thing to say but would like dylan's character claim first

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Okay. I have two night actions: I can find out whether someone is civilian or military, and I can also protect someone from a killing action.

This is like the most generic claim ever. What character are you supposed to be?

I agree. Robz, why should we not vote for you?

Related, but separate, ADK, are you willing to reveal your character name?

Yes. I'm Lee Adama

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Okay. I have two night actions: I can find out whether someone is civilian or military, and I can also protect someone from a killing action.

This is like the most generic claim ever. What character are you supposed to be?

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Can we massclaim? I'm slowly losing my sanity this game, and I doubt I'm the only one.

Seconded

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This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.

I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it  any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.

If your power can really be used for that, then I'm in favor of it being used for it

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Man, where is everybody? Are all of you now in super secret QTs and just posting there? Hello?!?

I'm here, what's up?

Well, since it's just you and me here, want to tell me your win condition? :)

On a more serious note, who do you think MiX should pick for his next VP? And what makes you so convinced that Mix is town? Is there any merit to my Survivor MiX idea?

OK, one more, are you (as VP) the other half of the Cylon test detector?

I have an opinion on who mix should pick, but I'll probably just tell him in our QT. If mix was a survivor, it's hard to believe he wouldn't have told me at this point

And lastly, no

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Man, where is everybody? Are all of you now in super secret QTs and just posting there? Hello?!?

I'm here, what's up?

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Vote: ADK

I feel like in every other game I've played, there has been a strong tendency to kill self-confessed third-party folks.

Do you think that doing so is a good idea?

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I was in a QT with ADK, Swowl, and LaLight. ADK didn’t convince me, though; Swowl did. And when I saw his flip, I was sold.

Fairly sure the bolded is a lie.  Like, 93% sure.

I will say that swowl expressed a pretty strong townread on mix in the viper qt. Whether it's plausible that that convinced didds is another story

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I read ADK's post a couple of times and I confirm everything they're saying.

-I'm in a Viper Pilot neighborhood with didds, LL, and swowl, that's the QT ash is referring to. swowl claimed on N2 in that neighborhood that he was also in a neighborhood with another player, whose identity he didn't disclose, who he said he was townreading. I'm guessing this is ash, which makes ash a pretty unlikely scum candidate, since he wouldn't want to kill the person who was giving him information

Swowl was in a QT N3 with Space, and N2 with who you presume is ash...so who were they linked with N1?

swowl said he had his mystery qt since the start of the game. Is there a reason to think he was linked with someone N1? I honestly might have missed a claim somewhere

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I'm going to do this bullet-point style, cuz I have a lot to say

-I'm third party. I'm not going to say my win condition because I think doing so helps scum and I would like to help town right now. I will say a couple of things: I'm not a survivor. I can die and still win, and I can be alive at the end of the game and still lose. I do have to "share" victory with town or scum (or some hypothetical third faction), I can't win by myself

-I fullclaimed to mix in my first post in our QT. Me claiming to mix and collaborating with him for his benefit was the sole reason for me wanting to be VP. It helped my wincon, and it helped the wincon of whatever alignment mix happened to be. mix's reaction in our QT convinced me that he's town, but as I said yesterday, this is information that's only accessible to me. I feel comfortable saying all this now, because I think that mix's word vomit at the end of the day yesterday is a convincing argument that he's town. Obviously some people are going to disagree with this, but I'm at least hopeful that the majority of people will be settled as to mix's alignment

-I'm in a Viper Pilot neighborhood with didds, LL, and swowl, that's the QT ash is referring to. swowl claimed on N2 in that neighborhood that he was also in a neighborhood with another player, whose identity he didn't disclose, who he said he was townreading. I'm guessing this is ash, which makes ash a pretty unlikely scum candidate, since he wouldn't want to kill the person who was giving him information

-The fact that swowl died makes me suspicious that there is scum in LL/didds and that they want to try and get a private QT with me so they can try and negotiate. We could try to exile one of them, but of course if we exile one of them and they flip town, then I'm in a bad spot because people have extra reason to be suspicious of me. There's also the fact that the exact membership of the Viper Pilot neighborhood is not known; it's entirely possible that someone is part of it and has stayed hidden by simply not posting there

-I feel out-of-game remorse for ending the trial so quickly, because it seemed like a cool mechanic that could have been fun. But I was never going to vote guilty because doing so would directly harm my wincon. I was genuinely surprised that didds voted so quickly, though, and it does make me suspicious of her

In conclusion,

vote: robz

PPE: hey, didds claimed before I did

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I'm third party, I have more to say but am on my phone right now

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Not Guilty

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Space?

They should be here in 45 minutes.

Yes, faust lied about the 4.5 hour until deadline, we have 1 more hour than that.

In that case I'm going to go walk my cat. I'll be back before deadline

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Assuming everone's claims about military/civilian are true, no

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