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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 04:29:08 pm »So, here's the thing with Swowl.
This implies Swowl planned on killing EFHW from SoD2.
So, here's the thing with Swowl.
What’s the logic for scum!faust outing us? Especially with so much heat on me EOD D2? He created two ICs and made the POE much stronger against everyone else.
He didn't create two ICs. Your role as mason did that.
He identified you correctly for town cred. Despite my objections, a mass claim was going to happen. As scum, whether it comes out early or late didn't matter. It comes out and you have to deal with it. faust found a way he thought could get him some town credit. Make lemonade out of lemons if you will.
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 will end Wednesday, October 6, 2021, at 3:00 pm forum time.
I should claim I guess.
I am a... Mason! dun dun dun.
Not really, I'm just a VT.
It's also very clear that 2.7's top 'scumread' at the end of the day was WCD. So if he's town, why not cop your top scum read on WCD?
What makes more sense is that 2.7 didn't want to do a false guilty of WCD EITHER because he felt she would be an easy misexile for LyLo that he needed to keep around OR because the team had figured out that MiX/Didds were masons overnight and he knew that a false guilty on her would lead to a CC and his exile.
So whether 2.7 had figured out masons ahead of time or not, it makes more sense as scum that he would choose me as the cop target and not his actual stated top scum read.
He found out me and Didds were masons when faust claimed that for us.
Speaking of this, why does town claim masons for you?
It's also very clear that 2.7's top 'scumread' at the end of the day was WCD. So if he's town, why not cop your top scum read on WCD?
What makes more sense is that 2.7 didn't want to do a false guilty of WCD EITHER because he felt she would be an easy misexile for LyLo that he needed to keep around OR because the team had figured out that MiX/Didds were masons overnight and he knew that a false guilty on her would lead to a CC and his exile.
So whether 2.7 had figured out masons ahead of time or not, it makes more sense as scum that he would choose me as the cop target and not his actual stated top scum read.
The simplest explanation is that e is scum and iguana is town.
Faust’s idea that they’re both scum is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence.
There’s obviously no world where they’re both town.
And if e is town and iguana is scum, well it’s not the end of the world. We have a guaranteed scum exile tomorrow, and e was a 1-shot cop anyway.
This is a good summary, although i think all the factors pointed out by math right before this point much more to my being town. My argument is admittedly a terrible one - I played this so poorly I could not be scum - but it is true. No way my scum teammates wouldn't talk me off the ledge from my crazy schemes.
I just ask you to take the risk on town!e playing poorly and exile iguana based on my result
This argument almost works. Sucks that math's scum.
I don't follow. Math could totally be scum. Not sure what the correlation is here
The simplest explanation is that e is scum and iguana is town.
Faust’s idea that they’re both scum is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence.
There’s obviously no world where they’re both town.
And if e is town and iguana is scum, well it’s not the end of the world. We have a guaranteed scum exile tomorrow, and e was a 1-shot cop anyway.
This is a good summary, although i think all the factors pointed out by math right before this point much more to my being town. My argument is admittedly a terrible one - I played this so poorly I could not be scum - but it is true. No way my scum teammates wouldn't talk me off the ledge from my crazy schemes.
I just ask you to take the risk on town!e playing poorly and exile iguana based on my result
Happy October, everyone! It’s the season of candy corn pumpkins!! We need ADK’s stabby kitten avatar to ring in the season!
I’m catching up, but would like to hear some from others (Swowl, Jimmm, MiX).
Read my posts before the mass claim? Do they feel like scum that thought through exactly how they would claim the next day?I love the self-report. "Actually, I didn't yet know that I was going to claim Cop."
Haha, it is true I didn't know if I would claim full cop or 1-shot cop.
I was very tempted to lie and make up a N1 target
Haha, I am living in my own little world, aren't I?
Good morning! 6 pages! It’s gonna make me a minute…
Welcome! I claimed already by the way. Faust kinda tied my hands though
I was always going to wait for you, by virtue of not wanting to make your head explode generally and specifically.
Good morning! 6 pages! It’s gonna make me a minute…
Also, even more suspicious of faust.
Claiming masons for MiX/Didds is MVP play right there... If scum win (and faust is scum)
Well you jumped the order in the massclaim, so don't you complain about me!
+ basically told scum "don't claim UB"
Am I up for claims?
Are we still even doing that now the game is solved?
The other thing is the LaLight kill N1. It has "trying to avoid the Doctor target" written all over it. However... that would only be a concern if scum doesn't have a full Strongman. That means that there are at most three non-T letters in the setup. And we already have
E - EFHW
M - MiX/Didds
E/C - Swowl
There isn't room for another Cop.
Sorry! This was on purpose. I just expected Didds to always be townread and faust to not.Ha! The thing is though, Masons tend to look like scum. They are a group of people that has alignment information on one another and does not want to get each other exiled.
Also I feel like I suspected you too much for this to really work.
One nice thing is that it’s no longer possible that iguana and e are both town. Which means the scum team can’t, for instance, be Didds/MiX/faust.
But faust could be scum who figured out the masonry and decided to put if for town cred.
MIX, what makes you trust faust here?
If I'm right then scum probably already suspects all of this. If I'm wrong then maybe someone can point out to me why that is. Too many people have been suspecting MiX/Didds and I figured maybe this will give them something to think about.Ok well. Swowl is a Cop (probably 1-shot and has investigated EFHW N1. MiX and Didds are Masons. Scum is among the remaining players.
why would you say this?
I thought the masonry was you and MiX. Which kind of blinded me to the possibility of MiX and Didds. You might be underestimating the clarity that knowing your own role gives you.
If they are masons, that makes MiX’s behavior eod look a lot better. But it takes always the main reason I was trusting you
Yes. I have also been voting e for a brief moment during D2, before annoyingly deciding to go for gkrieg instead.
Could you have tried to sheep me instead? At least attempt to?MiXy, I wish I could trust you. Alas. My vote stays where it is.At the time I wasn't seeing the potential for Masons.
Yes. I have also been voting e for a brief moment during D2, before annoyingly deciding to go for gkrieg instead.
Yes. As a rule, scum tends to overestimate the amount of danger they are in.Because scum wants to get to LyLo and sees e as their most disposable member. That second part is why I think it's more likely that iguana is scum; there aren't many scumteams I can think up where the sacrifice is chosen to be e.Though we don't necessarily want to go for iguana next. There is a nonzero chance that he's town.
but why does E! jump the gun like this?
It's more likely that this claim is serving a dual purpose of giving e towncred and calling your Cop status (and thus IC status) into question. But it is certainly worth rereading once e has flipped, before deciding on the next exile.
So you think we were finding skum today, or at least that skum thought that we were finding skum today?
I tend to underestimate the amount of danger I am in.
I claimed when I did because I did not want anyone else to claim. I mean, sure, iguana is going to claim what he prepped last night, but I don't want town to claim.
For example, we don't need our UB outed. (If we have one)