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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 08, 2023, 07:22:56 pm »
Does anyone think yesterday ending so quickly was weird? I mean, No exile was the right thing to do, but why not allow time for discussion?

We can't do anything during the night, scum can, so any information we could have generated by discussing yesterday instead of today would have strictly benefited scum.

I get your point and if there were any PRs I would agree.

But in a game with only vanilla roles, I don't think it really matters which of us scum target from a "who's left" perspective, while evaluating the NK as a reaction to that discussion could be.

Wait why are you saying this you literally voted no exile yesterday and made the complete opposite argument.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 08, 2023, 07:21:58 pm »
Does anyone think yesterday ending so quickly was weird? I mean, No exile was the right thing to do, but why not allow time for discussion?

Mix, can you explain how you got from No Exile to "skip immediately":

Sure we can keep the momentum (or not lose it more) and skip today immediately.

Vote: no exile

Is that how you vote for no exile? I'll assume it is.


If Awaclus is correct about mathdude as traitor, could this be a signal to join the vote? (math was X-1) or to WCD who hammered?

I don't know, just feels anti town that the No exile vote went so quick.

I'm also suspecting MiX, being very vocal about Lalight being towny and then Lalight is the NK?

Vote: MiX

I was going to defend myself against this because why not, and waiting for gkrieg to post is unrealistic at this point. But then I thought this was so lazy I should only react to this with a vote. However, I read this again, now correctly:

Mix, can you explain how you got from No Exile to "skip immediately":

What does this mean? How is no exile not skipping immediately? How is there a process between voting no exile and skipping the day quickly?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 07, 2023, 09:29:37 pm »
Boo scum's killing my favorite towread :(

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 05, 2023, 01:22:27 pm »
Sure we can keep the momentum (or not lose it more) and skip today immediately.

Vote: no exile

Is that how you vote for no exile? I'll assume it is.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 05, 2023, 10:28:47 am »
Wow gkrieg looks awful, you're right.

I'm voting joth because he just voted EFHW and did nothing else.

I reread joth right now and I guess I see why you question my scumread, but...there's nothing there either. At least gkrieg townslipped.

I think I just want to flip mathdude and approach the game after knowing his alignment.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 05, 2023, 05:27:09 am »
I mean, that’s got to be a too-scummy-to-be-scum situation right?

I’m sort of feeling vote: Awaclus

I don't think so. I guess I just feel like he's being honest this game. And if you wanna kill people for having bad reads, vote out mathdude first to see if he was completely wrong, right?

Similarly I still townread Lalight, the hammer is not scummy at all.

Good gravy, people! I didn’t even have time to check in on Wednesday before it was just done.

I’m super wary of LL now because that hammer seemed to me to come out of nowhere.

Because of said townread I need to scumread Didds now...yay?

But basically my PoE is mathdude and joth and I don't care which flips first.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 04, 2023, 01:02:49 pm »
Vote: math

Vote: joth

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 01, 2023, 05:54:30 pm »
Well. Other than I'm scum, any last thoughts, EFHW?

I would also ask everyone else but I guess that would help scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 01, 2023, 03:49:13 pm »
Lalight should have let me claim. I'm the jailkeeper.

Should've claimed earlier, you were at X-1 for a while.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 01, 2023, 01:26:02 pm »
On a different scum narrative, I hate to say this because he's been a helpful contributor, but Awaclus is behaving differently from usual, and the last time that happened he was scum.

Someone says this every game.

"Awaclus is being more helpful than usual" has been a meme for at least three years now:

Awaclus has been decidedly less painfully obstinate than I remember.  Has he changed (I know I keep asking this but I think it matters) to be more open and helpful?  If not, I’d lean more scum on him, since the one constant for Awaclus was that he would never do anything for anyone else, no matter what, and would always be completely convinced he was right.

I have always been helpful, there's nothing unusual about that.

Does this usually come from town or scum? Asking you because you might have caught onto a pattern.

The case for MiX as SM is strong. It is only weakened by his saying he's been playing plurality so long he forgot that majority was a thing. That isn't even a strong argument, because he still could have voted. By not voting he was avoiding taking a stand - not having a helpful vote down at EoD is scummy. I think he hesitated then because he hadn't quite decided to go with the bus on math. Now he has decided, and comes out of the gate prepared with an argument based on the nk choice.

I don't think math would have chosen to nk Joseph. I don't think Joseph was any kind of actual threat to mathdude. I think MiX killed Joseph and came up with this theory to frame math and take the game on as SK facing town with no powers.

I agree with this case being strong, in so far as I think it's townie to put this case forward, but also I had already said this D1, basically.

You guys are wrong about me. I've been open about my opinions and taken stands. I made cases, of varying value, and have been pro-town in my priorities. I tried to get an exile Day 1. I made excellent arguments against the mathdude case today, which have somehow not been responded to. Perhaps some of you would read my post on Lalight's case and see how the case on math doesn't hold up. It's anti-town to let a bad case go to exile.

Your anti-case is pretty good, and I can see LaLight's reaching a lot, but:

1. Reaching's townie in this game state. Similarly, shooting down cases is scummy. Weird, isn't it, how telling the truth is bad.

2. It doesn't make math townie. Math could've followed LaLight's logic anyway.

3. Math can still be SM/traitor regardless.

4. I'm townreading gkrieg, awaclus and lalight, and now almost townreading you, and once you cut scola from being the exile today for being afk (if you have a reason not to give him a D2 pass let me know) there's only like 3 people left so why not math.

5. The elephant in the room: math should've died yesterday, so might as well kill him today. Yes I know that makes me scummy, but I'm already SM in your eyes so shrug.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 01, 2023, 11:20:57 am »
Okay I am completely sold on the EFHW/math team. Count me in to vote them at deadline.

I still prefer math though.

Awaclus will you be around for deadline?

Please just vote now. Why wait for a deadline?

I am voting, for mathdude.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 01, 2023, 09:24:43 am »
Okay I am completely sold on the EFHW/math team. Count me in to vote them at deadline.

I still prefer math though.

Awaclus will you be around for deadline?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 03:53:54 pm »
Winning is cool and all but I prefer

wtf

ikr

It's less silly if you consider the possibility of you being wrong.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 02:22:50 pm »
It's not clear there's going to be a no exile if you think it's plurality right?

That was me, in the deadline.

Also I'm not even sure it's alignment indicative, scum!me wouldn't pass the chance to hammer math, I generally prefer to be in situations I have already planned for, and I would have planned for no day skips. Although both alignments can forget plurality equally, so I'm not gonna claim some townpoints there.

I really want to agree with Awaclus but I can't see myself voting EFHW before math if I follow it. Also I feel like it makes the game look bigger than what it is: this is basically a revival of f.ds mafia, somewhat, people aren't generally active and stuff. Scum doesn't need to think too hard, nor would I expect them to always think well. I know I wouldn't.

This confuses me. Why would you vote math before EFHW, if the case is that EFHW is SM and math is traitor? We outright win if we exile EFHW.

Winning is cool and all but I prefer to maximize scum death over winning. EFHW's only scum if math is, so math's a better pick.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 02:21:46 pm »
Oh does no plurality mean that if math doesn't get enough votes he doesn't die.

Does that mean me not voting mattered.

Oh no. Now the game is hard.

Not sure why he wouldn't just vote anyway.

Because it's cool to go "oh sweet gkrieg came in, he's town, math is being voted, I can go back to do what I was doing before" instead of hammering slightly early and missing out on someone's post because I ended the day too early.

You have to understand, I haven't played without plurality since...the last time we played without plurality. And I have played other mafia games since.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 26, 2023, 11:32:12 pm »
Given what I just said I will simply give LaLight the town stamp of townhood and will protect them with my life.

I'm sure I could get more townreads if I read the whole game. I wonder if I'll do that. Oh and a VCA would be cool to setup, just for fun.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 26, 2023, 11:30:20 pm »
It's not clear there's going to be a no exile if you think it's plurality right?

That was me, in the deadline.

Also I'm not even sure it's alignment indicative, scum!me wouldn't pass the chance to hammer math, I generally prefer to be in situations I have already planned for, and I would have planned for no day skips. Although both alignments can forget plurality equally, so I'm not gonna claim some townpoints there.

I really want to agree with Awaclus but I can't see myself voting EFHW before math if I follow it. Also I feel like it makes the game look bigger than what it is: this is basically a revival of f.ds mafia, somewhat, people aren't generally active and stuff. Scum doesn't need to think too hard, nor would I expect them to always think well. I know I wouldn't.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 26, 2023, 01:19:40 pm »
I'm glad you got to the same conclusion I did. Makes me feel validated.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 25, 2023, 05:23:10 am »
@MiX How did you end up not voting towards getting an exile? You were there.

I forgot it wasn't plurality.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 23, 2023, 03:04:42 pm »
I think I would have recruited if I were scum.

I mean, we already missed the exile. Skip the nightkill and the game is exactly where it started, which means no flips to give context to a reread.

So scum basically gets to start at square 1 but with a team.

Instead they've opted to get 1 kill ahead, which is also good for them but they've given us another chance to one-shot them.

I do agree that points to someone who feels pretty safely not under suspicion, or someone who's just gutsy AF.

You wouldn't, because you think it's more valuable to have the traitor not have any information than get a team but activate the JK. Right?

Clearly so does scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 23, 2023, 09:23:10 am »
@MiX - I think you quoted an incorrect vote count.

I just wanted to quote Joseph.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 23, 2023, 07:26:50 am »
Well let's see here, kill was in wagon, Joseph was voting mathdude, mathdude was voting Joseph...I think that points to math being scum (and specifically SM)

And if you add this:

Vote Count 1.4

gkrieg (5): WestCoastDidds, LaLight, mathdude, scolapasta, MiX (L-1)
Mathdude (3): Awaclus, Joseph, Joth
scolapasta (1): EFHW

Not Voting (1): gkrieg
So by my previous logic that SM is on this lazy gkrieg wagon, I think SM is in {WCD, LL, math, scola}

Then I guess we should do what I failed to do and

Vote: mathdude

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 20, 2023, 09:15:27 pm »
Oh does no plurality mean that if math doesn't get enough votes he doesn't die.

Does that mean me not voting mattered.

Oh no. Now the game is hard.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 20, 2023, 02:30:45 pm »
I'll be around for deadline, but I don't have a preference until gkrieg shows up.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 20, 2023, 10:47:32 am »
I thought you were doing the fake hammer threat thing on purpose.

Same here.

I also wanted to say "why are you reaction testing gkrieg? That will take about a day at the rate gkrieg's posting, and then the day's over" but I didn't want to disrupt it :P


I still think EFHW is scum (either traitor that is doing absolutely nothing, or strongman that is laying low and voting someone at random, kinda like what I'm doing, I think that's a reasonable thing to do in this setup as scum) but I'm fine with mathdude being the exile today, or gkrieg if he doesn't post himself out of it today.

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