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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 26, 2019, 09:46:46 pm »

It’s Saturday, I’ve been drinking, and I’m literally the only FNG in the game. 

Re: 6 or 7 people with shade... it seems to me like flailing with back to back posts include putting the spotlight on roughly half the other players in the game.

Re: why tunneling mix and ari... this is my first game, mix and ari makeup the bulk of the early posts and questions being asked and sequencing of votes and conversations with the two of you seem suspect.

Plus I like playing against a gambit and it seems like constant posting from an experienced player early could be scummy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 25, 2019, 05:16:39 pm »

Just a thought experiment. Mix is new but has played in another form... it wouldn't be "inconceivable" to orchestrate the buddying with a noob (arishpshape) ruse quickly, especially given the the way he played before was a much quicker format. They probably even have a name for this tactic, which I think should be called the Vizinni when town sniffs it out.

I feel like I skipped this.

I have never attempted to so such a thing: conversations usually go too fast to buddy one specific person, a better scum tactic is to seem like the voice of reason, which is what I usually do. However, this is a completely different medium: things change.

Maybe my weak theory isn't clear and given that clarity is my preeminent gift to the world i will break it down for you [Mocking.Self]. If you are running Vizinni con, you are both scum. If not, then perhaps it is only you.

Why do you call it the Vizinni con? WIFOM is a much better word from the same work of fiction.

I don't understand why you bolded that, care to elaborate?

It's the only part of the text i was replying to in my post, the rest was for context. Also you ask too many questions irrelevant to the discussion and are self-evident. Feels scummy... but what do i know.

I thought you were defending your "case" on me, the "case" being that I could very easily orchestrate this, given my experience; however, I said that, in the medium where I got said experience, that was not a good strategy (for the reasons I stated above). Now I think you weren't defending it at all...

1. Why are you voting for me? Is it still because of my "calculated" buddying? if so, what makes you think I "calculated" it?

2. What does "conversations usually go too fast to buddy one specific person" have to do with "If you are running Vizinni con, you are both scum. If not, then perhaps it is only you."

I have given other reasons. First read is the Vizinni con second read is too many irrelevant posts and questions with obvious answers.

@ss, can you explain where you get your townread from Debatepro? I'm having a hard time seeing anything other than scum, but I'm trying to be impartial here, could just be OMGUS

So far airship defended MiX and MiX defended SS and it’s weird.

Hmmm.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 25, 2019, 04:46:01 pm »

Just a thought experiment. Mix is new but has played in another form... it wouldn't be "inconceivable" to orchestrate the buddying with a noob (arishpshape) ruse quickly, especially given the the way he played before was a much quicker format. They probably even have a name for this tactic, which I think should be called the Vizinni when town sniffs it out.

I feel like I skipped this.

I have never attempted to so such a thing: conversations usually go too fast to buddy one specific person, a better scum tactic is to seem like the voice of reason, which is what I usually do. However, this is a completely different medium: things change.

Maybe my weak theory isn't clear and given that clarity is my preeminent gift to the world i will break it down for you [Mocking.Self]. If you are running Vizinni con, you are both scum. If not, then perhaps it is only you.

Why do you call it the Vizinni con? WIFOM is a much better word from the same work of fiction.

I don't understand why you bolded that, care to elaborate?

It's the only part of the text i was replying to in my post, the rest was for context. Also you ask too many questions irrelevant to the discussion and are self-evident. Feels scummy... but what do i know.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 25, 2019, 02:25:27 pm »

Just a thought experiment. Mix is new but has played in another form... it wouldn't be "inconceivable" to orchestrate the buddying with a noob (arishpshape) ruse quickly, especially given the the way he played before was a much quicker format. They probably even have a name for this tactic, which I think should be called the Vizinni when town sniffs it out.

I feel like I skipped this.

I have never attempted to so such a thing: conversations usually go too fast to buddy one specific person, a better scum tactic is to seem like the voice of reason, which is what I usually do. However, this is a completely different medium: things change.

Maybe my weak theory isn't clear and given that clarity is my preeminent gift to the world i will break it down for you [Mocking.Self]. If you are running Vizinni con, you are both scum. If not, then perhaps it is only you.

Nah, caught one is right, I think I caught one. Maybe, probably.

Inigo Montoya: I do not think it means what you think it means or... TMI.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 25, 2019, 11:54:58 am »

I wonder if answering everything instantly is good or not...

I just said...

Asking and answering a question to which everyone knows the answer to is very scummy in my book.

...less than a minute later you did it again. I'd argue that this this the most scummiest statement i have ever read in all the mafia games i've ever played.

This questioning deflection has some interesting timing.

Questioning deflection? What question did I deflect? Ask me it now and I shall gladly answer. Honestly, I was going over the archives of this game and remembered that nobody ever answered my questions.

...but i need to re-scrutinize arishpshape's posts.

Just a thought experiment. Mix is new but has played in another form... it wouldn't be "inconceivable" to orchestrate the buddying with a noob (arishpshape) ruse quickly, especially given the the way he played before was a much quicker format. They probably even have a name for this tactic, which I think should be called the Vizinni when town sniffs it out.

Vote: MiX

Why? I'll give Joseph, faust, and UncleEurope each 1 guess.

I'm not interested in guessing, why don't you clue us all in?

Good thing I didn't ask you to guess

Why did you ask those 3 specific people? One's already voting for me anyway...

Anyway, I think your reasoning is clear, vote: dylan32, someone else needs a push to get in this game. DatSwan's also quiet, but bigger wagons are better.

PPE 3

I take back what is said above in this post, throwing shade on 7 other players when your getting some votes for being scummy is in fact most scummiest thin i have ever read in all the mafia games I've ever played.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 25, 2019, 11:18:35 am »

Not even the Great Mafia that rules us all can dictate the availability of players; I like your argument, but it is moot: how could we know we were the only ones active at that time (while planning, of course)?

Asking and answering a question to which everyone knows the answer to is very scummy in my book.

Wait, what happened? I didn't vote! The day wasn't supposed to start until 5 and somebody is already lynched? I'm guessing they quit or something?

Seriously, what happened at the start of the game? Nobody explained this. Why was the innocent child lynched? Was it for the theme or something?

This questioning deflection has some interesting timing.

Would it be scummy if I ask what the scumslip is? All I can see is him saying there are only 2 new players, when there are clearly 3...I don't think this implies anything other than null.

4 new players, right? uncle, debate, mix and ari.

MiX, it seems like you have played elsewhere? We've heard from ari. Uncle and Debate, what are your experience levels?

It's above, i'm completely new in all ways, although my partner plays. FNG in signature is F'n New Guy, for those unfamiliar with the acronym.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 25, 2019, 10:58:52 am »

Also we haven't clarified pronouns, it's now a thing to do that at the start of every mafia game. @ all new players: what's your preferred pronoun?

I am completely new to mafia, i've never played virtually or in person. My partner plays and is a somewhat newish player in this forum, but is not in this game. Pronoun: He or They.

On a serious note, what are the odds two new players would be Mafia? I only ask because buddying seems to be a tactic some Mafia use for new players, but what happens if the buddies are new? Next level mafia play or ...?

You do have to realize I can only buddy someone who's active, and at the moment that was only arishpshape.

Doing some back of the napkin math, there is less than a 10% chance that two of the three new players wind up being scum. Given that the pool size is definitely not three new players, the odds are even lower.

If the scum plan was for SCM1 to post early, then SCM2 to buddy, and then use the defense that "SCM1 was the only active player" in response to accusations of new person scummy-buddying is... a strong play.

I'd like to think that new players are capable of this tactic, even if the probability is low that you are both scum. I'm keeping with my original vote for now, but i need to re-scrutinize arishpshape's posts.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)

« on: January 24, 2019, 11:14:06 pm »

Google's AI just schooled a bunch of human pros in sc2. How long will it take before it can play mafia? What does it mean for AI to beat humans at mafia? What does it mean for AI not to beat humans at mafia? Is it scummy or towny to open a game with meaningless philosophy? Will I get another day 1 wagon this game? Why are there so many questions? Why is only one of them easy?

To answer your questions, computers will never play mafia as well as humans, AI can only "win" in the sense that it can take the correct copy-pasted messages at given times to fool humans, who will eventually catch on, AI don't beat humans because mafia is to subjective for computers to fully understand...

I'm not sure I agree. Deep Blue had access to all the games Kasparov ever played and recently AlphaZero only had the rules of the game. If AI has access to everyone's previous games as we do, rules of the game, some encoding on mafia terms, a fallacy engine, and a mechanical turk, I think the AI could pull it off.

On a serious note, what are the odds two new players would be Mafia? I only ask because buddying seems to be a tactic some Mafia use for new players, but what happens if the buddies are new? Next level mafia play or ...?

Vote: MiX

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Night 0)

« on: January 11, 2019, 12:51:38 pm »

/tag

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (13 spots left!)

« on: January 08, 2019, 03:22:54 pm »

/in

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Introductions / Re: New to the forums

« on: January 06, 2019, 09:42:16 am »

Need a post to stop the verification stuff, yeah?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Civility Pledge

« on: January 06, 2019, 09:35:21 am »

/pledge