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Dominion League / Re: Season 30 - Signups
« on: October 07, 2018, 02:12:55 pm »
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Hatshepsut "bug"? Or blue dog problem?
« on: July 02, 2015, 11:44:11 pm »
I agree that 2's should have been drawn instead of 1's.
The relevant text is "If you would draw a card of value higher than 1 and you have a 1 in your hand, first return all cards from your hand and draw two cards of that value." The important point is not "if you would" (which is defined in the rules), but "of value... of that value", which is clearly 2 here.
One *could* argue that after drawing two 2's, your opponent should draw a 1-figure (because he was going to draw "a figure of the lowest non-empty pile at least equal to his top age"), but that'd be a bit weird as markusin points out.
The relevant text is "If you would draw a card of value higher than 1 and you have a 1 in your hand, first return all cards from your hand and draw two cards of that value." The important point is not "if you would" (which is defined in the rules), but "of value... of that value", which is clearly 2 here.
One *could* argue that after drawing two 2's, your opponent should draw a 1-figure (because he was going to draw "a figure of the lowest non-empty pile at least equal to his top age"), but that'd be a bit weird as markusin points out.
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Innovation Game Reports / Re: Fastest possible wins?
« on: April 25, 2015, 10:47:47 pm »
In EFC, you'll often see piles of achievements left lying around for a while.
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Innovation Game Reports / Re: Fastest possible wins?
« on: April 23, 2015, 06:16:21 pm »
I agree that Watermill is a relatively poor card by itself, but as usual in this game it all depends on your available choices: if you don't have anything interesting to do, you may as well give it a shot, but otherwise I'd say even grabbing a couple of achievements is better.
... says the guy who recently lost a game to a watermill going off the charts while starting from age 5, and tucking enough high echoes in the meantime to pull ahead score-wise.
... says the guy who recently lost a game to a watermill going off the charts while starting from age 5, and tucking enough high echoes in the meantime to pull ahead score-wise.
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Innovation Game Reports / Re: Fastest possible wins?
« on: April 13, 2015, 01:00:27 pm »
With EFC, you could draw a city with an icon while melding watermill, so...
Initial: meld Ruler
1- Dogma Ruler (draw Watermill)
2- Meld Watermill (draw 2-city with bonus)
3- Dogma Watermill, win.
Initial: meld Ruler
1- Dogma Ruler (draw Watermill)
2- Meld Watermill (draw 2-city with bonus)
3- Dogma Watermill, win.
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Innovation Rules Questions / Re: breaking a stalemate
« on: March 18, 2015, 04:47:06 pm »
Probably not, I would suggest that games are automatically tied after 50 turns or so (because repetition is quite hard to check, as the state of the decks could matter).
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Innovation Game Reports / Re: "Rainbow" achievements?
« on: March 06, 2015, 09:47:13 pm »
Pretty sure I got all decrees at least once. Complete rainbow would be quite challenging...
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: January 25, 2015, 08:39:04 am »
Congratulations to JimKam for winning the first Innovation championship with 4 wins and 3 draws ahead of myself (3 wins, 4 draws), as well as the E/F/C division (6 wins!), also ahead of myself (5 wins). Meanwhile, AJD has won the game he needed to clinch the Echoes division (5 wins, 2 games to go) ahead of JimKam (5 wins, lost to AJD). As a reminder, qdread has won the E/F division (5 wins) ahead of JimKam (5 wins, lost to JimKam).
I'm now waiting for MTom to complete his matches to decide the Base division.
I'm now waiting for MTom to complete his matches to decide the Base division.
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: January 21, 2015, 03:32:09 pm »
I'm just sayin'... good luck!
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: January 21, 2015, 02:30:29 pm »
So I'm now waiting for AJD-JimKam: if JimKam wins or ties, he'll win the championship; otherwise AJD still has an outside chance of winning the championship (by winning all 12 sets of his remaining 3 matches) or tying with me (by winning 11 sets).
I also kept track of wins in each separate category -- right now, if my calculations are correct, qdread has won the E/F championship, and the other 3 are still undecided. Listing only those who can win, in the format [wins + number of remaining games]
Base: antony (6+0), moomoo (5+1, won H2H), MTom (3+3, would share tiebreak)
Echoes: JimKam (5+1), AJD (4+3) <- that'll be decided by their H2H match too
E/F: qdread (5+0) won H2H against JimKam (4+1) and MTom (2+3)
E/F/C: JimKam (5+1), AJD (2+3) -- antony (5+0) lost H2H against both
I'd be happy to restart a championship right after this one is finished, I think this is a lot of fun indeed.
I also kept track of wins in each separate category -- right now, if my calculations are correct, qdread has won the E/F championship, and the other 3 are still undecided. Listing only those who can win, in the format [wins + number of remaining games]
Base: antony (6+0), moomoo (5+1, won H2H), MTom (3+3, would share tiebreak)
Echoes: JimKam (5+1), AJD (4+3) <- that'll be decided by their H2H match too
E/F: qdread (5+0) won H2H against JimKam (4+1) and MTom (2+3)
E/F/C: JimKam (5+1), AJD (2+3) -- antony (5+0) lost H2H against both
I'd be happy to restart a championship right after this one is finished, I think this is a lot of fun indeed.
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: January 16, 2015, 03:38:04 pm »
antony 3 - ipofanes 1
base: Heavy scoring by coal gives me an achievement win.
echoes: Chopsticks + Almanac = lots of score for ipofanes' win.
e/f: Noodles (11 activations in my 11(!) first turns) > Flute for a bunch of achievements for me.
efc: I get an early tech start (including Almanac) while ipofanes gets a fat board, but not enough to catch up.
base: Heavy scoring by coal gives me an achievement win.
echoes: Chopsticks + Almanac = lots of score for ipofanes' win.
e/f: Noodles (11 activations in my 11(!) first turns) > Flute for a bunch of achievements for me.
efc: I get an early tech start (including Almanac) while ipofanes gets a fat board, but not enough to catch up.
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: January 14, 2015, 11:25:15 pm »
I see.
Congrats to the winners, sorry to the losers, but I'm still happy we finally have some non-drawn games
Congrats to the winners, sorry to the losers, but I'm still happy we finally have some non-drawn games
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: January 14, 2015, 11:06:48 pm »qdread 4-0 markusinI am looking at the record of game 4, which ends with "qdread inspires green, draws and melds chopsticks... and wins by achievements".
Games 2 and 3 showcase the power of abusing Noodles, in game 2 to score a truckload of points, and in game 3 to draw figures while scoring, then get Expansion to splay yellow and further abuse a three-echo stack in the midgame. In fact, games 1 and 4 were a lot better, game 1 showcased the best of base set with a lot of back-and-forth due to the crown-stealing mechanic in many different ages, and game 4 was one of those slogs where everyone tries to build a giant tableau of 1's to be able to rack up achievements later.
Base: qdread 6-4 http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201501/14/game-20150114-171515-0adae349.html
Echoes: qdread 7-0 http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201501/14/game-20150114-172929-8ac97bdd.html
EF: qdread 8-3 http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201501/14/game-20150114-175102-d0e81cfa.html
EFC: qdread 9-5 http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201501/14/game-20150114-182156-ac9cb43c.html
I can't figure out what happened, do you remember?
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: December 28, 2014, 05:32:58 am »
I guess I should congratulate JimKam on the first Almanac win of the tournament and the fastest game so far (efc, 9.5 turns) but moomoo probably feels a bit robbed
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: December 17, 2014, 08:05:52 pm »
The efc game is pretty crazy indeed, and the shortest game so far...
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: December 17, 2014, 12:43:41 pm »
antony 2- AJD 2
base 6 achievements for me from a scoring, crappy board vs 4 AJD with a big one.
echoes Chopsticks shenanigans only let me reach 5 achievements while AJD just techs up to his 7th (with a helpful balloon).
e/f I give away one extra B. Roberts achievements in order to war him away with Saladin, then fall behind in score as AJD pianoes(!) away. I end the game with a lucky sequence: meld an 8, and computer via Franklin, use forecasted tuning fork to check the top base 10 and decide whether draw and execute a base 10 or an echoes 10 with computer. I see bio-e and check that I can just barely win 2-1 on leaves...
efc Two misreads make 1. me try a non-working demand and 2. AJD give me an achievement via Shivaji. A slightly unlucky shared physics from me set me back while AJD runs away with tech and wins 9-6.
A lot of interesting games, as usual.
base 6 achievements for me from a scoring, crappy board vs 4 AJD with a big one.
echoes Chopsticks shenanigans only let me reach 5 achievements while AJD just techs up to his 7th (with a helpful balloon).
e/f I give away one extra B. Roberts achievements in order to war him away with Saladin, then fall behind in score as AJD pianoes(!) away. I end the game with a lucky sequence: meld an 8, and computer via Franklin, use forecasted tuning fork to check the top base 10 and decide whether draw and execute a base 10 or an echoes 10 with computer. I see bio-e and check that I can just barely win 2-1 on leaves...
efc Two misreads make 1. me try a non-working demand and 2. AJD give me an achievement via Shivaji. A slightly unlucky shared physics from me set me back while AJD runs away with tech and wins 9-6.
A lot of interesting games, as usual.
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: December 15, 2014, 07:17:13 pm »
Yup, I had a look at the games, the Soaping looked fun.
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: December 14, 2014, 10:19:07 pm »
Second half of my games against MTom
E/F antony wins by achievements. Standard noodles opening in absence of cities (i.e. draw a bunch of 1's to start). MTom chooses not to go for repeated Almanacs and I use Ice Skates both offensively and to grab Destiny, then tech up via a lucky Printing Press. Deodorant sets me back but gives me Machinery and Reformation, certainly a decent trade. Repeated Machineries then let me decree ftw.
E/F/C antony wins by achievements. Look at MTom's last turn... I was nearly hoping he'd get a surprise 4th achievement via the forecast -- Peter the Great nearly killed me.
E/F antony wins by achievements. Standard noodles opening in absence of cities (i.e. draw a bunch of 1's to start). MTom chooses not to go for repeated Almanacs and I use Ice Skates both offensively and to grab Destiny, then tech up via a lucky Printing Press. Deodorant sets me back but gives me Machinery and Reformation, certainly a decent trade. Repeated Machineries then let me decree ftw.
E/F/C antony wins by achievements. Look at MTom's last turn... I was nearly hoping he'd get a surprise 4th achievement via the forecast -- Peter the Great nearly killed me.
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: December 14, 2014, 02:55:59 pm »
I always wondered whether it is actually that bad to open a 2/3 bonus. Sure, you can run into Candles, but I think this is less bad than losing it to Flute, because you can always have a little luck later and catch back with Archery or Perfume (or at least keep developing your age 1 board), whereas losing your second card to Flute just sets you back a LOT in development.
Of course, what we'd need to answer that is to see stats of games where Candles jumps to age 3 vs games where Flute hits a bonus at trick one...
Of course, what we'd need to answer that is to see stats of games where Candles jumps to age 3 vs games where Flute hits a bonus at trick one...
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Innovation Game Reports / Re: The most undeserved win ever?
« on: December 10, 2014, 08:07:38 pm »
I have a couple of score wins by hitting my technologically advanced opponent with Thermometer. I usually explain this by mercury poisoning
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament! (results thread)
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:08:33 pm »
1st half of MTom-antony
base Antony wins by achievements
After metalworking gives me a quick 1, MTom mathes up to pirate code which enables him to grab ages 2 to 4. After getting a reformed monument, I decide to give him 5 as well in exchange of pirate code via banking. So he gets age 5, but I get 6, 7 and 8 in exchange, as well as a lucky late Empire.
echoes Antony wins by achievements.
Again a scoring vs math start, but a lucky thermometer jumps me from age 6 to age 9, together with more pirate code tricks to grab achievements on the way. Some late board achievements (Empire & Universe) close the game.
base Antony wins by achievements
After metalworking gives me a quick 1, MTom mathes up to pirate code which enables him to grab ages 2 to 4. After getting a reformed monument, I decide to give him 5 as well in exchange of pirate code via banking. So he gets age 5, but I get 6, 7 and 8 in exchange, as well as a lucky late Empire.
echoes Antony wins by achievements.
Again a scoring vs math start, but a lucky thermometer jumps me from age 6 to age 9, together with more pirate code tricks to grab achievements on the way. Some late board achievements (Empire & Universe) close the game.
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament?
« on: December 05, 2014, 05:36:43 pm »
I didn't expect *that* many ties :-)
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament!
« on: November 29, 2014, 02:56:50 am »
Here we go for the first match, a nice tie:
moomoo 2 - antony 2
Base (moomoo): I go for scoring, moomoo for tech. I am a bit too slow (scoring Coal was probably a poor idea) and moomoo ends the game with Computers->Robotics->Globalization.
Echoes (antony): We exchange achievements and reach a fairly even 6-6, then I luck out with a Thermometer hitting two yellows, giving me Heritage for the win.
E/F (moomoo): I fool around early ages while moomoo mathes up. I actually fail to notice he's about to end the game with Math for the win, not that I had any chance of catching up.
E/F/C (antony): We quietly tech to age 5 when moomoo hits Peter the Great. He gets a couple of achievements from him, then I hire him via Ben Franklin. I share the Bifocals/Photography combo to jump to age 10 but moomoo fails to notice it, so I get a few rounds there grabbing special achievements while he tries to catch up, more than enough to win the game and tie the match.
It turns out to be not so easy to switch quickly between game types, at least for me :-)
moomoo 2 - antony 2
Base (moomoo): I go for scoring, moomoo for tech. I am a bit too slow (scoring Coal was probably a poor idea) and moomoo ends the game with Computers->Robotics->Globalization.
Echoes (antony): We exchange achievements and reach a fairly even 6-6, then I luck out with a Thermometer hitting two yellows, giving me Heritage for the win.
E/F (moomoo): I fool around early ages while moomoo mathes up. I actually fail to notice he's about to end the game with Math for the win, not that I had any chance of catching up.
E/F/C (antony): We quietly tech to age 5 when moomoo hits Peter the Great. He gets a couple of achievements from him, then I hire him via Ben Franklin. I share the Bifocals/Photography combo to jump to age 10 but moomoo fails to notice it, so I get a few rounds there grabbing special achievements while he tries to catch up, more than enough to win the game and tie the match.
It turns out to be not so easy to switch quickly between game types, at least for me :-)
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Innovation General Discussion / Tournament! (results thread)
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:05:58 pm »
Hi all,
The bracket has been posted at http://challonge.com/isotropicinnovation2014
Please get in touch with your opponents of the first two rounds and schedule games with them before the end of next week (December 7th).
Play 4 games (base, echoes, e/f, e/f/c), defaulting to standard achievement target (but you can play extra achievement if you both agree). Try to keep links to the games and post the results here.
Participants with their time zones (UTC+/-)
antony -8
ipofanes +1
qdread -5
markusin -5
popsofctown -6
Lekkit +1
moomoo -5 (but claims -9 is closer to his sleep patterns :-))
JimKam +8
AJD -5
MTom -5
Antony
The bracket has been posted at http://challonge.com/isotropicinnovation2014
Please get in touch with your opponents of the first two rounds and schedule games with them before the end of next week (December 7th).
Play 4 games (base, echoes, e/f, e/f/c), defaulting to standard achievement target (but you can play extra achievement if you both agree). Try to keep links to the games and post the results here.
Participants with their time zones (UTC+/-)
antony -8
ipofanes +1
qdread -5
markusin -5
popsofctown -6
Lekkit +1
moomoo -5 (but claims -9 is closer to his sleep patterns :-))
JimKam +8
AJD -5
MTom -5
Antony
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Innovation General Discussion / Re: Tournament?
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:52:55 am »
qdread: MTom doesn't seem to have an account on the forum; can you ask him to register? Thanks.