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E) In a Neighborhood of 3 players of unknown alignment in a themed game, it's highly likely that one of them is scum. Archetype was not. That means that Joth or Jorbles is. For all the reasons above, I lean towards that being Jorbles. Furthermore, his lynch is extremely informative. If Jorbles is scum, there's a good chance so is Watno. If Jorbles is NOT scum, then Joth almost certainly is.


Which is another reason scum-me pushing a Jorbles lynch is unlikely.

7752
If I were scum, I would have killed Jorbles and kept my mouth shut. Then there would have been nothing to link the flavor to me.

7753
Governor-Possession to gain Silver and Gold has always bugged/intrigued me since that card came out. It seems so unfair from one side and so awesome from the other.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Copper, Silver, Gold
« on: October 09, 2012, 03:17:32 pm »
Explorer, for the silver OR the Gold player!

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(Since it fails to explain Jorbles not having blue paint on him). I think we need to lynch Jorbles today.

7756
So that's interesting. That does tend to implicate Watno-Jorbles, as per Galzria's theory.

7757
on the other hand:

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7758
... I would check with eHalc first.

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Robz, if you bus-drove Jorbles somehow, it might be good for you to tell us now. I get a sense that it might solve several mysteries.

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Yeah, it's a doubly mysterious kill. What do you guys think is the likelihood that 1 of the 3 Ice Creamers is scum?

Rather high.

"Neighbors are essentially unconfirmed Masons where the moderator honestly acknowledges no expectation of one Neighbor having the same alignment as any other Neighbor. In an ideal world, the alignment of any Neighbor would be as random as the alignment of the player itself. In practice - and especially in Themed games - Neighbor is seen as an excuse to mix scum Neighbors where they would have been called bastard for doing so with a Masonry."

"If you are one of three Neighbors, chances are reasonable that one of the other Neighbors is scum. "

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

Ok, then I need to come forward with this.

The third (and only un-outed) member of my QT is Jorbles. Since Archetype is conf. town and I'm conf. town to myself, that makes him, in Galz/mafiascum's words, highly likely to be scum. In addition, he's already being suspected for unrelated reasons. Third, he claimed his role to me as Roleblocker, which is at least equally likely to be scum as town.

Fourth, Jorbles knew I was Vanilla Ice Cream-themed.  If there is a scum team that can choose their flavor (which makes some sense in a game where flavor is key), and they needed a flavor attached to a townie to throw out on the first day, then Jorbles being on that team would explain their knowing mine (although, given Archetype spilled ALL THE BEANS, this isn't saying that much.)

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Yeah, it's a doubly mysterious kill. What do you guys think is the likelihood that 1 of the 3 Ice Creamers is scum?

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GUYS. SOmething doesn't add up.

-Watno should have seen everyone who targeted Insomniac.
-The flavor suggests two people killed Insomniac - a strangler and a scoop-basher.
-Watno only saw one person.

Ninja kill? What gives?

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A lot of you guys have played with me before. I know your guts are telling you I'm town.

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Well, if I can't convince you otherwise I guess we should get on with it and lynch me before we run out the clock more than we have to. The end of the game will show whether I played as poorly as it seems or whether Robz and O simply played a bold, brilliant game.

If nothing else, I urge you to consider the plan for clearing Robz I brought up that he ignored:

Have Robz target a doctor (don't announce which). Have Robz (if he's alive) announce which one he targeted tomorrow, and the result of his track.  Have the doctor verify the target. 

So far we've given Robz obvtown status on the basis of easily faked claims. If nothing else, you guys have to put a stop to that tomorrow.

Trying to direct the tracker away from your scumbuddy?

If that's your concern, agree only to do it if I flip town. (Which I will)

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Please, you know, weigh in soon. It was a littl mystifying to me that the whole town halted and waited for me to review. Of course that happens in other games, too, but we have a time limit

I was waiting partly due to V/LA and partly because I'm almost certain Robz is town and value his promised input.

Now, the fact that everyone else seemed to be holding back waiting for Robz as well makes me feel like everyone else also either suspects or knows Robz to be town. This makes me really suspicious of anyone voting for Robz.

He's been oozing townvibes all game and I really doubt even he could fake it that well. None of the arguments against him have made any sense to me, to the point that those making them seem like scum. (Could he actually be scum? Of course, but as town I'm unfortunate enough not to know the setup and have to go on my gut/evidence).

This is all also a big part of my reason to vote: jotheonah

Does this mean when I flip town you'll reconsider?

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#31 (tie) - Bartering Chip by jotheonah with 1 point (Pole Position)
$5 - Treasure
If this is the only Treasure you play this turn, choose 2. Otherwise, choose 1: +$1P; OR +$2; OR +$1, +1 Buy.

Some thoughts on my widely-panned card and first submission ever (talk about joining the game way too late.)

The apparently problematic "If this is..." clause was a last-minute addition to make the card more interesting. I see the problems now, I still think there's a way to make it work, but whatever.

I basically wanted to create a Swiss Army Treasure. You need a +buy? It's a Copper with a +buy. You need a Potion? It's a Copper and a Potion (not as good as a Potion since it won't help your Apothecaries or Alchemists). You don't need any of those things? Well, you spent $5 on a Silver. But you do that with Stash and, sort of, Venture, so that's not such a big deal.

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Well, if I can't convince you otherwise I guess we should get on with it and lynch me before we run out the clock more than we have to. The end of the game will show whether I played as poorly as it seems or whether Robz and O simply played a bold, brilliant game.

If nothing else, I urge you to consider the plan for clearing Robz I brought up that he ignored:

Have Robz target a doctor (don't announce which). Have Robz (if he's alive) announce which one he targeted tomorrow, and the result of his track.  Have the doctor verify the target. 

So far we've given Robz obvtown status on the basis of easily faked claims. If nothing else, you guys have to put a stop to that tomorrow.

7768
Well, Watchtower lets you trash cards without putting Coppers in your deck, but that's pretty trivial.

7769
You know what else is super scummy about Jo? His opinions on people don't change based on the evidence,

says the guy who cleared me with his power role and is now voting for me.

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Mine is a weird case too. It can create scenarios where the best move is to turn your Silver into a Potion this particular turn, or your Potion into Gold. So in cases like that the number of Potions in your deck becomes a slightly more fluid statistic.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Card that Name: Fancy Hat
« on: October 09, 2012, 10:53:18 am »
Here's a version of the card that gives your deck a fancy hat, by deciding what cards go on top of it:

Action - $4
Gain a card from the supply costing 3 or less and set it aside.
Set a card from your hand aside. You may set aside the top card of your discard pile.
Put the three set aside cards on top of your deck in any order.


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Game Reports / Re: Coppersmith-Crossroads-Tactician
« on: October 09, 2012, 10:10:59 am »
And buying the extra copper doesn't waste a turn, because you can pick it up when you play a Tactician.

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Additionally, the fact that he
(A) argued yesterday to keep himself alive because his power is valuable
(B) used that power on me and cleared me
and
(C) now wants to lynch me
should raise red flags. Either his power isn't really valuable and he was using a specious argument to save himself yesterday, or his power should be enough to focus the lynch elsewhere.

7774
I'll admit that I haven't played this game very well. I've latched on to anti-town behaviors that in retrospect are either proven town (PPS's insta-VT claim) or are now looking townier (O's quicklynch). And I've locked onto suspicious claims, which are also usually a good way to catch scum. For one reason or another the stuff that usually works hasn't worked this game.

Maybe it has, maybe Robz and O really are scum and Robz "investigating" me as no action was a brilliant move to finally get me off his case, since I think I made it pretty clear that I wouldn't budge from it any other way.  But to go through the trouble of gaining my trust just to launch a mega-case on ... me. Odd but not impossible.

I locked onto Robz because of my experience with Robz, which is that he's better than anyone else at convincing me he's town when he's scum.  The only counter I know of for this is for me to really dig in when I suspect him. I'm sorry that it's made me look scummy, but if I get lynched, I hope the rest of you will really scrutinize him closely. I still don't trust him or the way he's been running the day (granted, a lot of that is the rest of us are so lost we're not posting.)

Case against Robz:
Both his claims are easy and obvious
 - He claimed Tracker when he knew it was a remaining possible role, and he claimed to have tracked someone whose results could be deduced from the lynch flip. He had plenty of time to craft a fake claim, something I know from experience scumRobz does ahead of time.
 - Today he claimed to have tracked me, but if he's mafia he knows I'm vanilla town (remember the   mafia have enough info to know if there's a SK at this point, so he can confidently say I did nothing and get some extra cred. This convinced me at the start of the day, but now I see it as a safe option. I think if you lynch me today, you should make Robz track one of the doctors and see if he can correctly name your target tomorrow.
 - His push on the PPS lynch day one as hard and scummy, I know you all thought so at the time.
 - O behaved strangely (quicklynched) when he (Robz) was on the chopping block, and though Robz asserts that this is absurd, I totally believe they could have trusted their collective abilities to talk their way out of it Day 2, as they, in fact, did.

Vote: Robz

I don't think I'll convince you guys. But I hope I can set you up to win tomorrow.

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Dsell, do you have anything to report from the night?

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