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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 12, 2022, 03:59:09 am »
Just work it through - if mathdude is scum, who can his partners possibly be? gkrieg could be for sure. But there must be one more.

MiX might be bussing. But I can't see anyone else who could realistically have bussed as much as they have.

If mathdude is scum, it surely can only be with gkrieg and MiX. Can you see any other possibility?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 12, 2022, 03:55:14 am »
Set-up as in, pretty much everyone that scum has left alive so far has been happy to vote for mathdude.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 12, 2022, 03:53:12 am »
Explain “set up”
If I’m not hear tomorrow someone insist upon exactly what that means. Names concepts, not general stuff

Ok, replying, don't hammer.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 12, 2022, 02:47:24 am »
Good morning. Probably still evening for Swowl and absent-Galzria.

Another thought I had about mathdude is that the night-kills have been the people who would not vote for mathdude. faust and e. gkrieg is the only one left who hasn't been happy to vote there. So I wonder if scum have been setting things up for a mathdude mis-exile.

If mathdude is scum then at least one of his partners has been doing some serious bussing. The only non-busser could be gkrieg.
Galzria and Swowl ending the day on him twice, each time with him the leading wagon at the end of US time for the day.
EFHW and me been pushing his wagon a lot, EFHW placing the X-1 vote here.
Didds, MiX and joth all on this X-1 wagon at the moment. If there is a busser it is among these three. Didds is unlikely to bus in my experience. joth, could be bussing, but quite gutsy the way he's joined the mathdude wagon towards the end of all three days. So we back to MiX as the most likely busser.

So, maybe MiX is bussing. But I think far more likely that mathdude is town and scum have set him up.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 11, 2022, 05:14:34 pm »
Vote: mathdude

Galzria is a terrible idea today. Even if he's scum, which he's not, his exile will tell us absolutely nothing about who his partners are. I think his disengagement is a null-tell, but if it's anything it's a town tell because Galzria tends to try pretty hard as scum.

This is very Joth sounding like MiX and it makes me nervous
Hmm, yes, I suppose so. Actually, this is joth's first post in like about 36 hours. A weird way to rejoin the thread.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 11, 2022, 05:11:32 pm »
vote: MiX

I wish I could wait up longer and see what happens to that mathdude wagon next, before posting this, but I need to turn in for the night, so I will say this now.

I do not have a good feeling about MiX. gkrieg's case on him is not bad either, the bit about him not bothering to check whether his VCA findings are accurate.

So with mathdude on eggs-minus-one and MiX voting for him, I've gone and reread MiX.

There's lots I could talk about, but one very relevant thing I came across is #822, where he argues against joth being on X-1 near the end of day 2. For someone who says they've not been paying enough attention this game, it is quite something for him to say:

"Of course joth can be scum here, but there's absolutely no reason to think that given his posts this game."

So I would say MiX + joth looks very possible.

And overall MiX is right up there probably more scummy than mathdude from this reread.

I do not like this mathdude wagon.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 11, 2022, 11:31:20 am »
MiX, gkrieg… care to share the reason for your votes?

Sheeping fang, and also math seems like the weakest link in my theory.
"Weakest link" as in most likely to be scum, or easiest to exile?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 11, 2022, 10:18:39 am »
mathdude, you've at least twice mentioned the "strong" or "polarising" opinions people had about scolapasta. Can you elaborate?

I can't recall anyone expressing strong scola views, except for gkrieg. And I would say at least 6 people (MiX, Didds, e, EFHW, me and you) were all rather hedgy, kind of happy to vote there but maybe preferring to vote somewhere else.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 11, 2022, 10:09:13 am »
So I've read most of mathdude again, and I still think most likely scum.

But I also do not want to let Galzria slide by without his promised contribution. I recall a game I spectated recently in which Galzria kept promising stuff and leaving it later and later in the day, and he was scum, exiled day 1. This feels similar.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 11, 2022, 06:02:18 am »
I haven't reread mathdude yet, but I think where I'm at is:

Scummiest: mathdude, MiX, Galzria
Towniest: EFHW, Swowl
Which leaves in the middle: gkrieg, joth, Didds

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Destroy my really bad fan card
« on: March 11, 2022, 05:29:15 am »
Scout
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Action

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Reveal the top 4 cards of your deck. Put the revealed Victory cards into your hand. Put the other cards on top of your deck in any order.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 11, 2022, 04:02:55 am »
Wall Posts inc tonight when I’m off mobile - finished this morning
Are we getting this?

I've reread Didds and happy with her being town.

vote: Galzria seems like a good place to be while I go and reread mathdude.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 06:17:46 pm »
So I'm fairly sure I want to vote mathdude, but it is late here and I'm probably being influenced by Didds' recent flattery/buddying, so I'll try to do an objective Didds re-read in the morning.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 06:13:48 pm »
Right. I'm fairly sure Didds and mathdude are not partners.

Look at this vote count from near the end of day 1:
Quote
Vote Count 1.5
A chef's hat has a number of pleats equal to the number of ways that chef can cook eggs.[/color][/center]
mathdude (4) : EFHW, Swowl, infangthief, jotheonah
Dylan32 (4) : faust, 2.71828....., mathdude, gkrieg13
2.71828..... (2) : Galzria, Dylan32
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
scolapasta (1) : WestCoastDidds
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta
 
Currently, mathdude is set to be exiled! Day 1 ends February 22, 2022, 09:00:00 am your time (the time in the upper right hand corner of your page). That's just under 8½ hours from now.

The last change before that vote count was Didds moving from Dylan to scolapasta. That changed the leading wagon from Dylan (5) to a tie between mathdude and Dylan (4 each). Technically mathdude became the leading wagon, but enough people were unaware of how tiebreaking worked that let's just say they were tied.

So that vote change jeopardises mathdude.
Seems unlikely that Didds would do that to her scum partner.
But more than that, she would surely be aware of the wagon on her scum partner, or even if by some miracle she was unaware of that, surely mathdude lets her know N1 how close she came to causing his exile. You know, "lucky we got away with that, but that'll actually be helpful later to prove we're not linked".

So now, asking Didds if there's any reason she and mathdude can't be partners, surely she would have mentioned that vote move day 1, if she was aware of it. But she didn't.

So I'm sold on them not being partners.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 05:30:41 pm »
I am adding fang to my town core.
I don't think that has ever happened before.

Still, any reason why we shouldn't suspect you and mathdude to be partners?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 04:53:20 pm »
Thank you Didds.

And I thought you would find his 3rd paragraph interesting. Enough skin in the game, eh?

There are a few people wanting a mathdude + Didds team. Day 2 you gave some reasons why Didds+Mix didn't make sense - can you give any reasons why Didds+mathdude doesn't make sense?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 12:30:48 pm »
And unvote

Why this unvote?
Because I can see various possible teams and am not at all sure at the moment who I suspect most. I hope to be more sure soon.

Didds, please let me know what you think of mathdude's post #988.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« on: March 10, 2022, 06:26:23 am »
Didds, what do you make of mathdude's post #988 here:

I'd like to understand mathdude's complete turnaround on Didds in #776.

Swowl asked it well just afterwards:
3. How does WCD move into your "will not vote" category from "voting didds" if you "do not read them as more towny than before?"... when you were voting them?
... but got no answer as far as I can see.

I asked again later, and the best answer I got was that exiling scola would be more informative. Which seemed unlikely.

So... what's the real reason mathdude?

I think I know the real reason. (It's that they're scum partners together).

Oh no, you've caught us! Now who is the 3rd?

Really though... Didds, I do hope you're town, even though I still think you're somewhat scummy. Because if you're scum, and people stick with this pairing, then I think you've won the game.  (If they exile me, see I'm town, then they'll IC you... if they exile you and see you're scum, then they'll misexile me).

But to address the original question from fang today (and commenting about fang and Swowl questions yesterday)... it feels like you think I had a hard scum-read of Didds D1 and switched to strongly town-reading her D2. Go read again... I think you're trying to create a connection that isn't there, so you're stretching things.

D1 I believe I was mostly scum-reading MiX and e, but not likely together. But I got a sense that Didds and MiX were a bit partner-y so she was someone I was leery on as well. Then start of D2, others seemed to jump on Didds and I had no other reads at the very start of the day (don't remember if I actually voted or not).

But as D2 went on, I got more scum pings from joth and scola (in the few posts he did make)... so they both jumped ahead of Didds (who hadn't done anything to change my read on her of "sort of scummy"). And toward the end of D2, with the strong opinions on the others, I thought it would be more useful if scola or joth flipped scum than if Didds did  (all 3 of which I thought was still a good possibility).

You've posted since then, but not made any comment on this very weird looking post which addresses you quite a bit.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 06:22:39 am »
But I think your ongoing analysis etc is good and useful, and you answered my questions about e, that was helpful. I didn't want to get into an argument, just couldn't resist it when you asked me to share my reads.

There's stuff I want to ask Didds and mathdude, and I'm waiting with baited breath for what Galzria may (or may not) come up with.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 06:16:01 am »
I think I've been vocal about others also (Didds and mathdude at least), but I don't want to say my current position on them.

You got it vocally because you asked.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 06:08:13 am »
I'm guessing this is all "hi I'm MiX I'm really not paying attention to this game, hey even when I'm doing some detailed VCA I'm missing things all the time"...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 06:06:34 am »
My main read at the moment is that MiX has very contradictory positions. Also that he is missing and misrepresenting things a lot. I feel like he is scum tying me up in WIFOM knots.

What am I missing and what am I misrepresenting?

Do you not have townreads or other scumreads?

Here are three things:
- "not counting joth since his vote was recent at the time"; joth joined the e wagon 5 days (IRL) before the vote count that you're referring to.
- "Didds [looks terrible] but mostly from a "if Galzria is town" perspective"; but then when I asked it's just Galzria more scummy than Didds.
- you seem to be ignoring Galzria's D1 vote on mathdude, who was on your "probably scum" list along with Didds.

I don't want to say more about my scumreads at the moment.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 05:47:45 am »
My main read at the moment is that MiX has very contradictory positions. Also that he is missing and misrepresenting things a lot. I feel like he is scum tying me up in WIFOM knots.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 05:42:25 am »
Ok, thanks for explaining. And how does the "if Galzria is town" perspective have an impact on what the D1 wagons show about Didds?

Mostly that Galzria's position on e is more incriminating than Didds' votes. One of them is probably scum, but Galzria is the scummy one, if that makes sense. If I had to pick the scum in Galzria/Didds just looking at D1's vote counts I would always pick Galz.
No, that doesn't make sense, sorry.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« on: March 10, 2022, 05:23:45 am »
Quote from: that Didds post
Vote Count 1.4
Eggs start wiggling around by themselves a few days before hatching.
2.71828..... (3) : Galzria, Dylan32, jotheonah
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Swowl, infangthief
Dylan32 (3) : faust, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
MiX (2) : gkrieg13, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta

This vote count looks really silly.

From a brief view of D1's wagons, Galzria looks terrible. Didds too, but mostly from a "if Galzria is town" perspective. It's just a feeling though.

Hi MiX, I don't understand. I guess I'm a novice at VCA. Why does it look silly? Why do Galzria and Didds look terrible?

It's silly because the greens are voting greens. It looks terrible for Galz and Didds since they're on the green wagons. It's very hard to consider that both wagons had zero scum in them (not counting joth since his vote was recent at the time).
Ok, thanks for explaining. And how does the "if Galzria is town" perspective have an impact on what the D1 wagons show about Didds?

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