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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Dark Ages Limericks
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:10:37 pm »
I just cannot believe my eyes.
On Goko Dark ages is live!
This leak I'll abuse,
though I am forced to lose,
I'm just going to spam that F5!

Ephemeral oh though it was
I am still happy because
Of the Dark Ages cards
Eleven more have I starred!
Goko knows how to make buzz.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Funsockets Payment Model
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:03:53 pm »
You need advertisements, like on Facebook, or maybe make a YouTube ad!

And of course, I'll be yelling at all my friends to get this.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Funsockets Payment Model
« on: August 13, 2012, 04:09:49 pm »
I'm probably alone on this, and I know the payment plan has been established, but I would have proffered say $7.99/month to play all expansions. In the long-term this would net Funsockets more money because they would charge on a monthly basis, but also people would see there is a low entry. Maybe, they could still offer free play with base Dominion and a one-month trial with all expansions. But, they have already decided a pricing plan. I just think monthly would make more sense from their perspective. Because, what happens when everyone buys all the sets and no more revenue is coming in? Also, to most players, $7.99/month seems cheaper than having to buy everything at once.
Not to me.....

Yeah, I'd like to concur.  One of the main reasons I never played WoW, but absolutely adore Guild Wars, is the fact that I abhor the idea of a monthly fee to play a game.  I'd rather pay up front.  And Guild Wars has obviously proven that this business model works.

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I actually ended up resigning on an iso game relevant to this today - he opened Hunting Party/Chapel, and I opened Amb/Amb.  He was just too fast for me.  I was able to pick up more Grand Markets than he was, but he managed to get an early King's Court, and then he bought a Curse and two Ambs.  It was while he was giving me six Curses that I resigned.

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As for Overgrown Estate - the thought process was to have a card that cannot be played - a card that just sits in your deck.  It also does not yield any VP.  But we don't have a card type for that.  So make it a Victory - now it can interact with Scout and Silk Road, but that's ok.

All this discussion makes me think... Curse really could just be type "Victory." I get that it's worse for flavor, which I'm sure is why it was done that way. But functionally; curses are identical to the basic victory cards. Just another card that you can't play on your turn, that counts towards your score at the end of the game, and that is available to buy in every game.

But, as we all know, it would completely break the game if it Curse were a Victory card, because Scout is too powerful as it is!


Ok, seriously... Crossroads, Tribute, Scout, Bureaucrat, Transmute, Silk Road, and Hoard would all get a little better. Talisman, and Haggler would technically get worse, though not in a noticeable way.

Wuh... buh... why would you buy a Curse with Talisman in play?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Favorite Dominion Card(s)
« on: August 13, 2012, 03:34:35 pm »
As my RL friends will tell you, I have often been known to say "Errrrbody's favorite card is Goons!"

Ugh. I am one counterexample to this assertion. Goons and Governor tie for my least favorite card because going for them is nearly always the winning strategy.

My favorite cards are probably Counting House, Mine, and Explorer. I'd like to get better at using Mandarin as well.

I do love Mine, and Counting House has been growing on me.  I try to work it into my strategy where possible.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Favorite Dominion Card(s)
« on: August 13, 2012, 03:16:35 pm »
I always buys lots of Lighthouses.

But for favorite card, I have to go with Pirate Ship.  So much fun!

EDIT: Also, to ninja Robz, he likes Scout.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Funsockets Payment Model
« on: August 13, 2012, 03:00:17 pm »
Ascension has iffy game design

There's an understatement.

It's diverting enough, but it is certainly a bit too luck-based for my taste.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Previews Done?
« on: August 13, 2012, 02:56:24 pm »
We don't get games here for at least a month, usually MORE. So, I don't want to hear that kind of whining.

Where's here for you?

Also, what is going to happen to this sub-forum now that the previews are over?

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"And it does make a difference functionally."  So damn the thematics but what about function?  There are tons of combos that are different just because it has that Victory label on it.  You say "0 VP" could be extrapolated to the other cards, but you can't extrapolate that "Victory" type, and since it has that type it needs something on the card to say how many VP it's worth.  That's not an inconsistency -- it's a consistency.  What would be an inconsistency would be if something called "Overgrown Estate" weren't a Victory card in the first place.

Why could I not put 0 VP on all non-Victory cards and have them be a X-Victory hybrid? Why can I not extrapolate the "Victory" type? It doesn't need the subtype Victory in the first place. It is an inconsistency. It would be inconsistent for an "Overgrown Estate" to not be a Victory card. Why do you think I suggested that the name could have been changed to something else in addition to dropping the "Victory" type.

And, to Donald, I agree that it is merely a convention. However, I am of the belief that the convention should be a straight rule, not one to be broken. If it is to be broken, not in this way by the Overgrown Estate. A Victory card should have something to do with VP's, yet this one does not. It defeats the purpose of the subtype Victory if it has nothing relevant to VP's on it.

I don't understand why you're ignoring the functional ramifications, which is the question I put to you in my initial reply.

Why can't you make everything an X-Victory hybrid worth 0 VP?  Because then Scout is a triple-Laboratory (an unnecessary buff for what is already a power card!  Zing!).

Card types aren't flavor.

Young Nick - the basic types (Action, Treasure, Victory) all mean basic things about the cards they're on.  An Action uses up an Action, a Treasure is played during your buy phase, and a Victory is of importance at the end of the game.  Different cards reference these types - Adventurer seeks Treasures, Scout draws Victory cards.  If you want a card to perform something during your turn, it has to be Action or Treasure - if you want to limit how much it can be played, make it Action, if you want to be able to just throw an infinite amount down, make it Treasure.  So Nobles and Harem, while playable, also give VP, so they're combo-types.

As for Overgrown Estate - the thought process was to have a card that cannot be played - a card that just sits in your deck.  It also does not yield any VP.  But we don't have a card type for that.  So make it a Victory - now it can interact with Scout and Silk Road, but that's ok.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Previews Done?
« on: August 13, 2012, 01:35:43 pm »
GenCon starts Thursday.  I expect to be fully spoiled on Thursday.

What time on Thursday, though? :D

That depends on how eager the GenCon attendees are.

You'll get no spoilers from me.

Once I get Dark Ages, I'm going to want to spend my time playing with them, not writing about them.

I'm that selfish.


You don't need to write anything. Just take photos and upload them.

Snap snap, tickity tack, and Bob's your uncle.

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Y NO LOVE 4 PHIL STONE? D:

I have several words for you: Vault/Black Market/Philosopher's Stone/Scrying Pool.  And +Buy.  "Wow, I just bought everything!"

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I dunno... I think having each post discussing 26 additional cards (as well as combos) will just be madness.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: YouTube Videos of FunSockets Dominion
« on: August 13, 2012, 12:30:06 pm »
People post videos of their StarCraft (1 and 2) games on YouTube all the time, and I don't really think Blizzard cares all that much.  I would be very surprised if Goko threw a hissy fit.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Funsockets Payment Model
« on: August 13, 2012, 12:11:09 pm »
Given the model, I would be willing to pay $1-$6 per "expansion" of 12 cards.  Probably to the lower side of that range.  I've already shelled out $20-$50 per physical set - I'm definitely not paying that much again for something in the cloud.

$1? Really? Hope you don't have to dip into the kid's college fund for that ...


Realistically, I would think $10-15 per pack, maybe even a touch more. There are a lot of people who put a lot of hours into this product. They probably wan't to eat.

You realize most full games in the iTunes store sell for between $0.99 and $5, right?

You realize those games had nowhere near the development time of this game and don't have persistent server costs, right?

And you realize we're not just buying one game, but around a dozen booster packs?

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Funsockets Payment Model
« on: August 13, 2012, 11:47:47 am »
Given the model, I would be willing to pay $1-$6 per "expansion" of 12 cards.  Probably to the lower side of that range.  I've already shelled out $20-$50 per physical set - I'm definitely not paying that much again for something in the cloud.

$1? Really? Hope you don't have to dip into the kid's college fund for that ...


Realistically, I would think $10-15 per pack, maybe even a touch more. There are a lot of people who put a lot of hours into this product. They probably wan't to eat.

You realize most full games in the iTunes store sell for between $0.99 and $5, right?

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Funsockets Payment Model
« on: August 13, 2012, 11:44:24 am »
I think we should all take a guess at the prices!

I reckon $10 for a large expansion
$5 for a small expansion

They've split up the large expansions in two. I imagine the small expansions and .5 large expansions will cost the same thing.

Dark Ages will probably be 3 sets.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: The New Golden Deck
« on: August 13, 2012, 11:42:21 am »
That's it, I'm making a puzzle.

Be sure to disallow durations, otherwise it will be some vastly insane number thanks to outpost/haven as you can hide a massive deck with Kc/Haven, play it during the normal turn (for insane amounts of VP), and then spend the OP turn hiding it back in the Kc/Haven tree.

Hmm - this has probably been answered somewhere, but if I KC-KC-Haven-X-X, do I only leave one KC out with Haven, or both?

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Play the previewed Kingdom!
« on: August 13, 2012, 11:36:14 am »
Let's say the 9 previewed Kingdom cards are on the board (and for shits and giggles, vanilla Village to make 10).  How would you play it?

I think the most powerful opening would be Squire/Graverobber.  Once you were able to collide them, you could trash Squire for 2 Cultists, and start filling your opponent's deck with junk.  Once the Ruins start to deplete, you Squire/Graverob into a few Pillages, which will be all the more devastating with most of your opponent's hand filled with Ruins.  Then, use your Spoils (and the +Buys from Squire) to take all the Provinces.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Funsockets Payment Model
« on: August 13, 2012, 11:24:52 am »
Given the model, I would be willing to pay $1-$6 per "expansion" of 12 cards.  Probably to the lower side of that range.  I've already shelled out $20-$50 per physical set - I'm definitely not paying that much again for something in the cloud.

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Dominion Isotropic / Re: Isotropic Avatars
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:57:14 am »
Followers or Monument? Hmmmm.

Masquerade, of course!

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Previews Done?
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:54:43 am »
GenCon starts Thursday.  I expect to be fully spoiled on Thursday.

What time on Thursday, though? :D

That depends on how eager the GenCon attendees are.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Previews Done?
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:17:21 am »
GenCon starts Thursday.  I expect to be fully spoiled on Thursday.

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Which, hey, is sort of cool, because it means that the set is shaping up to be a lot more tactical than the ones that came before.

Off topic, but, does anyone else get the sense that WW is actually DXV?  Makes sense, right?  Sounds like him, plays the most Dominion, etc.  I mean, that sentence is vintage DXV.

>.<

That would mean you're suggesting that DXV is the most self-obsessed individual on the planet.  This would mean he's the most prolific poster on a forum about his own game.  That he has his own YouTube channel detailing plays of HIS OWN GAME.  That would be pathetic.  I always got the sense that DXV was a lot more relaxed than that.  And besides, we all know that DXV is DougZ (which would still make him self-obsessed, but eh).

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Steward/Overgrown Estate
« on: August 12, 2012, 06:46:13 pm »
Let's say I have a Steward, a Copper, and all three of my Shelters in hand.

I play Necropolis.
I play Steward, electing to trash.
I trash Overgrown Estate.

Here's where I'm slightly confused:

Do I:

a) Trash two cards at the same time, only getting their "when you trash" benefits after they're both trashed?
or
b) Trash Overgrown Estate, drawing 1 card, which I can then trash, instead of a card that was originally in my hand before I played Steward?

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