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Vote Count 1.cube

Simon Jester (3): silverspawn, Uncleeurope, UmbrageOfSnow
phyphor (3):, mcmcsalot, faust, hypercube
UmbrageOfSnow (2): WestCoastDidds, Simon Jester
faust (1): phyphor


502
I'm going to trust the people I'm townreading here and vote: phyphor.

503
OK, I'm not sure how to weigh my fairly strong scumread on you against the potential utility of a Tracker. It'd be nice if the vets could weigh in at this point.

504
Are you claiming something? I honestly can't parse the first sentence.

Yes.

I think it's pro-town to just say such things in plain English. unvote: phyphor for the moment being however.

505
As I'm at L-1 I feel I should say that, as I understand it, we townfolk shouldn't have anything to worry about the mafia preventing a town role from working. Which should make it clear what I am actually saying, and why lynching me is unwise.

Are you claiming something? I honestly can't parse the first sentence.

506
I also disagree with everything mcmc is saying. phyphor is the player that I want to lynch the least second to myself

vote: phyphor

507
I can be around for the deadline but agree that we should lynch tonight.

Now that I understand phyphor's first post correctly it is less scummy, but it hasn't really contributed much other than correcting people (which is fair) and theory discussion. I'll go ahead and borrow faust's question.

phyphor: why are you town?

PPE 2

508

What are the lynch pools looking like?

I'm not voting for mcmc, WCD, or faust today. I would need some convincing to vote for UoS still.

509
I am going to continue making scumreads based on how much energy people expend defending themselves vs. scumhunting. Since there are only two scum, self-preservation is significantly more important for scum than town at this point and we should exploit that difference.

I don't think that's a good standard. Generally, people defending themselves is a good thing. We shouldn't discourage that.

OK, I should clarify. Defending yourself by explaining your thoughts and actions is good, defending yourself by deflecting instead is bad, especially early in the Day when a lynch is unlikely anyways.

510
I also misread phyphor's post to mean it wanted a no lynch; it wasn't exactly trivial to parse.

Thinking that saving the vets D1 could be good is a reasonable thought-- I thought it myself at one point. Then I posted it, thinking that it would be scummy if any of the vets vocally agreed with it. silver's defence has been focused mainly on whether saving the vets is, in a vacuum, a possible logical conclusion, which ignores whether having that thought and stating it is scummy or not. It also lets him deflect from the other points against him.

I am going to continue making scumreads based on how much energy people expend defending themselves vs. scumhunting. Since there are only two scum, self-preservation is significantly more important for scum than town at this point and we should exploit that difference.

PPE 10

511
Another point against silver is his interactions with phyphor/muenstercheese, who I think we all agree have only been scummy in their brief time here.

Cheese follows silver in voting in a convoluted manner:

vote: poorly written Harry Potter Villain

vote: father-brother-continent

He then votes for cheese in this much-scrutinized post:

Very slow start here. How about this: everyone vote for someone in their next post

vote: muenstercheese

And then, after switching onto WCD, moves onto Eddie instead of actually going back to cheese.

For the record, my vote was entirely for pressure. Now is the first time that I think I have some kind of read, and it's a town read on WCD. Don't particularly want to explain why.

back to vote: uncle

At this point phyphor shows up, follows silver in voting for Eddie, and makes a very scummy post. Being concerned with self-preservation first and foremost is a pretty big red flag.

Partially to save my own back, but also because setting up three of us to share the votes (by switching to Faust) means we are unlikely to lynch on Day 1.

In general we want to lynch every day, but whilst Day 1 is a day with little information which makes it hard to do a good lynching if we don't lynch anyone we run the risk of having the Mafia take out the good townies (be it because they're good at Mafia or have had to role-claim to save their skin).

silver doesn't comment on the above other than to note that phyphor's choice of pronouns is unusual.

I think we should lynch one of these two and then strongly suspect the other if the first flips scum.

PPE 3

512
Question for you, hypercube: How does it make you feel that two of your scumreads, silver and phyphor, are voting for the third, Eddie?

Silver's vote for Eddie was interesting:

For the record, my vote was entirely for pressure. Now is the first time that I think I have some kind of read, and it's a town read on WCD. Don't particularly want to explain why.

back to vote: uncle

He had never been voting there or expressing suspicion previously. Phypor/cheese's vote there was similarly unexplained. This makes the two of them look significantly worse, and moves Eddie back into nullish.

513
Well, there is a little more to go on by now, I would say. Care to share any reads?

My strongest scumread at the moment is silver, who has seemed happy to fly under the radar for most of the game. Phypor/muenstercheese have done absolutely nothing towny in their two posts. Uncleeurope's explanation of his vote against faust was decent but he retains a slightly higher than average chance of being scum in my eyes.

You, WCD, and faust are my townreads so far. I agree with the general consensus that WCD did a towny job of talking themselves out of trouble, and faust's thinking has been tracking my own fairly well thus far. The others are null for lack of information mostly.


514
Oh, on that note. May I ask new players to get a signature? Doesn't have to be anything fancy, just something that makes it possible to search especially for your posts when rereading.

You can use "xyrix" to find my posts.

515
"Appearing to be helpful without actually being helpful" (proposed by both Uncle and Simon) seems a useful criteria, and by that one Hypercube is aces. Lots of one-line commentary that revealed little, and jumping on the Uncle wagon, but remarking on the kindness of being amenable but not wanting to but him on L-1, seems an attempt to bolster his town-cred without actually having to do anything. My current most scummy.

I would say that I've contributed above average to this game. My observation of your flip-flop regarding lurkers led to a significant discussion of your thoughts there. By comparison I don't think you or Europe have done much other than defend yourselves until this point.

To those who don't like my one-line commentary, well, that's how I'm finding it easiest to read and respond to things so hopefully you'll learn to cope.

Simon seems to be trying to get things going and stirring things up. Other than his squeamishness about me, its been rather erratic, but when he draws down on Hypercube, the response was along the lines well, there hasn't been much to say and I don't want to chatter needlessly. Faust saying that Simon doesn't really count as a newb is interesting, too. Still, it doesn't really feel like he is working with anyone so townish. But I am more on the fence about him than other towns.

I agree with your characterization of Simon as erratic. I've been reading him the most carefully and haven't come up with anything particularly scummy, so right now I think he's just town who rubs me the wrong way a little bit.

516
alina and Europe voting for faust without a stated reason is somewhat suspicious to me, explanation please?

I mean, I felt I was fairly transparent, about my reasoning, you can disagree with the reasoning as Jester does, but the reasoning still exists. I am prodding a prodded.

The snarky side of myself wants to throw a vote at you now with no explaination given just for fun, but I have just given the explaination (“for fun”) so I guess it’s too late. Bummer.

Voting for someone because they're nitpicking seems pretty arbitrary. What makes the nitpicking scummy specifically?

I'm happy to vote for Uncleeurope but am holding off for now to not put him at L-1.

517
Apologies for not posting yesterday, although I disagree with Simon's characterization of me as "not playing."

Sorry, was just refering to the prodding-business. Please feel free to make me notice you further.

Actually, a reread of you makes me fairly suspicious of you. Short posts, no strong stances really. I know it's hard to get into a game, but you give off a feeling that you don't really want anything to happen. You criticised me for jokingly trying to incite an omgus- argument and silver for his voting proposal. A stagnate game is good for scum, I think you just might be the scum I assumed would be found among you and muenstercheese.

So.. are you?

There hasn't been too much analysis to do thus far; there's been lots of posts without any content which I'm able to use to make reads. I would rather not contribute to that unless I have something actually helpful to say. My reads early on were focused on looking for people who seemed like they were trying to be helpful without actually being helpful, which caused me to scumread you and silver somewhat. My criticism of silver wasn't that he made the voting proposal, but rather that he made it while placing a vote that didn't inspire discussion.

I'm town, as I've already pointed out.

518
Apologies for not posting yesterday, although I disagree with Simon's characterization of me as "not playing."

519
alina and Europe voting for faust without a stated reason is somewhat suspicious to me, explanation please?

520
The theory of probability says that every time you need to make an opinion about who is a scum, you should pick different person from previous time. So I'll make a try

vote: faust

I'm curious as to what this theory of probability is.

521
Very slow start here. How about this: everyone vote for someone in their next post

vote: muenstercheese
Can you explain how your voting will help us get the game started?

Agreed that "let's move things along by voting. [policy vote]" isn't actually helpful.

vote: silverspawn

522
vote: father-brother-continent

This is possibly too apathetic to be scum, or at least if they're scum we can count on them to be apathetic scum.

523
But in the spirit of Lynch All Lurkers
Vote:muenstercheese for being all excited and now suspiciously absent

This is a very fast turn around from "voting for lurkers is no bueno."

524
Vote: alinatolm

Either he is killing a talker, or he is killing someone he thinks is intelligent enough to be a threat, you decide. Ima just vote for the guy to see what happens.

I agree that trying to leave the more experienced players alive for the early going is probably a good idea.

525
ooooh, Omgus! Fight, Fight, Fight!!

translucent vote: Simon for formenting conflict.

Asch, conflict is good, irregardless if it's fabricated, silly or whatever. What is fishy is to try to dial down a potential subject of conversation. Town wants to have many interactions D1 a so we can go back later days and study them when we have more revealed information.

PPE

So c'mone, be a pro-town player and go hunt down scum!silver, attaboy!

Scum probably wants to encourage things like OMGUS though, especially if it's between two town, since it leads to emotional reactions and lets them hide.

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