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Dominion Articles / Re: Refreshing the Dominion Paradigms
« on: May 31, 2017, 10:41:59 am »

As I see it, that brings us back to the point that I was making, which is namely that the proposed categories represent arbitrarily chosen points on two spectra, not actual distinct groupings, because Burning Skull's engine is almost a megaturn engine but it's not quite there, making it an example of a good strategy that falls in between the categories, which is not something that happens with the usual "fundamental deck type" kind of categorization.


I think that even if the proposed deck types are just arbitrary points on a spectrum they could be of use if they are far enough apart and can help players with in game choices. I don't know if it will work that way, but it sounds like they could be helpful for me.

Or maybe your whole argument is just that calling them decktypes is problemetic?

The decks described in the OP do cover a lot of strategy advice for newer players. It is an important thing to learn that once your turn 9 engine is doing something to figure out where to go. First there is the reliability/payload balance and keeping control. And you also need to know if you are going for 2 province per turn buys which need overdraw or that you can save up more payload for a megaturn.

In the case where the turn 9 deck starts adding more draw for green space or starts adding more bridges or HoPs for a megaturn, I don't see why these aren't different types of decks. And I can imagine there are kingdoms where it is unclear what route will lead to the win, thus making the pursuit of either deck a distinct strategy. (and not 'just things people play that are wrong' like you mentioned before, though that was about 'hybrids').

But you are right that the game here is a perfect example of the deck being somewhere in between. And I agree that given a specific game it is often pointless to discuss after the fact whether it was a good-enough engine or a failed control engine. But on the other hand, given a new kingdom I think the deck-types discussed in this article give better tools to evaluate how to play it then only going as far as thinking of the fundamental types would.

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Introductions / Re: Hello, hello
« on: May 31, 2017, 09:54:06 am »
Topping my hello with a double hello are you?! ;)

Welcome

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Introductions / Hello
« on: May 31, 2017, 06:25:42 am »
Hello everyone.

Recently It has come to the point where I am lurking these forums daily and even posted something here and there, so I thought I should introduce myself.

I have gotten into dominion last October and have since fallen in love with it. I play with groups of people at least once a week and outside of that I play with my girlfriend (who unfortunately sometimes hates it when I think about my plays too long). Over the last 8 months I have collected expansion after expansion, completing my collection with seaside last week. (outside of some promos). I haven't played a lot online, but I feel that I am at least pretty decent at the game. (lvl 53 in 39 games)

What I really like about the game so far is how much I can keep learning about it (and that the learning pays off in cool decks and winning). I like thinking in advance of how a kingdom will play out and try to learn from how it actually plays out. I feel like this joy I get out of it could last a long time.

So that's me. Don't be afraid to be critical of anything I post, I am always ready to be convinced by other opinions if they are backed up with good arguments.

Cheers,

loempia

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Dominion Articles / Re: Refreshing the Dominion Paradigms
« on: May 31, 2017, 05:36:50 am »
Rather than responding to more weety4 nonsense, here's an interesting case study:



This is a game between Qvist and Burning Skull.  Qvist tries a golden deck, but it transitions to a money deck under an onslaught of Embassies.  Burning Skull has a deck where the only real draw is Procession/Embassy.  What kind of deck is it?

First of all great game :) That golden deck was set up so fast, when I first saw it I would never expect it to fail. Really amazingly played by Burning Skull to make the comeback happen.

But about his deck:
It has lots of actions, draws the deck, he trashes, gets +buys and gains (which he makes use of) and goes for big turns buying multiple greens in the end. Seems like an engine to me.
Of course it is unusual that the attacks come from a buy, but I don't see why that would make it an other archetype.

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Dominion Articles / Re: Shuffle skipping probabilities
« on: May 28, 2017, 03:19:43 am »
Oops I thought you were still talking about any given card.
Thanks I get what you are on about now.

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Dominion Articles / Re: Shuffle skipping probabilities
« on: May 27, 2017, 02:34:55 pm »
Let's just consider the first shuffle.  The probability of skipping is still k/c, unless k=0, in which case it's 5/c. 

why do 5 cards miss the shuffle when k=0? I only see this happening when the cantrip is in your last hand before shuffle and you play it. If the cantrip was in other hands before it, it can't be that 5 cards would miss.

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Dominion Articles / Re: Shuffle skipping probabilities
« on: May 27, 2017, 06:42:07 am »
Still it would seem to me that having a cantrip would give you more control of the amount of cards that skip the shuffle rather than less, so I won't expect the average k to go up.

Could you explain the math more? Without cantrips you use k = c mod 5, but in the hand you play the cantrip you see 6 cards instead of 5, so you have to account for that.

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Dominion Articles / Re: Shuffle skipping probabilities
« on: May 27, 2017, 02:07:57 am »
I don't follow you on the 1 cantrip first shuffle. It seems to me it's likely that less cards will miss the shuffle.

We were looking for the probability that any given card would miss the shuffle.
There is 10/12 chance you get to play the cantrip before the first shuffle. Now you have got to draw 11 cards, meaning only one card misses the shuffle. While in the case of no cantrips, always 2 cards miss it.

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Game Reports / Re: Great Board
« on: May 26, 2017, 07:20:57 am »
Was "Moneylender" supposed to be "Spice Merchant"? I didn't see any Moneylenders anywhere in the log, but I did see plenty of Spice Merchants...

this was earlier so i forgot, but I'm pretty sure it was Moneylender, is the log being weird? Moneylender isn't neccesarily terminal so that could change stuff...

You are confusing them again it seems haha.

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Well in various youtube boardgame channels when dominion is discussed someone mentions: "Just buying money can usually win".

I think there is confusion about money strategies vs actually only buying silvers, golds and provinces.

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Simple things not done yet ..

Haha, yeah, this being what most creative people hope to find in any theoretical science or art.
The good ones discovered it and leave the rest of us thinking: "I should have thought of that!"
Hope Donald strikes gold again :)

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Rules Questions / Re: Inheritance and Colonnade
« on: April 12, 2017, 07:01:07 am »
Can you link to some resources / precedent suggesting on buy effects apply to Inherited Estates? I have never heard this before and this doesn't match my intuition. I'm sure it's correct but I've just never read about it.

The FAQ sets the precedent with...

"This also changes Estates you buy or otherwise gain during the game; if you used Inheritance on a Port and then later bought an Estate, that Estate would come with a Port, just as buying a Port gains you a Port."

This means that the Estate has become Port and an action as you are buying it.  If Port's on buy triggers, then so would Colonnade's.

Can the Port you gain on buy be an Estate again?

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: rēs cornūcōpiae consultēmus: harvest
« on: January 03, 2017, 07:09:17 am »
I didn't see this interaction mentioned yet.
I've used Harvest with Herald. Having my deck consist of only actions made the heralds super strong, and the harvest provided the virtual money.
Only had to worry about playing the harvests before I ran out of deck to draw.

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Where?
« on: January 01, 2017, 12:37:39 am »
Thanks!

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Where?
« on: December 31, 2016, 07:47:39 pm »
Hi everyone,

Scrolled through all these pages to learn about the new client but couldnt figure out where to find it.
Is there a website? I suggest putting it in the faq.

I have high expectations for this new one :)

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