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What the hell is galz doing? I mean 2.7 is an ok lunch but no one has been interested the last two times. Why would they be now?

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I am caught up.

Won't Lynch: TWM, IDP, Gkrieg, Faust, Datswan, Robz

Null: Galzria, 2.7, Cuzz, Space

Want to lynch: EFHW, O

Nothing  has really happened to lessen my early scumread of EFHW, and the fact that the wagon has risen and fallen the way is has makes me happy.
vote: EFHW although I guess I don't get the many people so unwilling to lynch IDPTG.

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Though it's not all right. It is so far from all right.
We'll make it into a choice somehow.
I don't know how, but you'll have a choice somehow.

Vote count 1.10

Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, gkrieg13, 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): faust
Galzria (1): DatSwan

not voting (2): Cuzz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. That is 12 hours and ~15 minutes from now.

mod note: added song lyrics to the last 5 vote counts. Which means all the best lyrics are up that way ^

My last point is important because I believe will be the ones fretting most about consolidation at this point. Looking at the above vote count (I'll get to actual posts in a bit) I'm very much inclined to look away from IDPTG & Robz today, and instead look heavily at: EFHW, TWM, O, e & Gkrieg.
I really have to disagree here.

Town members are certainly likely to be fretting about vote consolidation at this point if they care about getting a lynch. Anyone who has experienced or nearly experienced a no lynch would be feeling that way. We have to consolidate if we want to get to a lynch, otherwise we all just sit on our isolated opinions and never get a wagon large enough to be a majority. There might be scum in the mix, certainly. But to blanket sweep those who are trying to move in that direction is ridiculous and unnecessary paints people as scummy moving forward. What are you going to do? Jump on everyone that consolidates from this point out too?

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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
Where were you when I was voting 2.7?

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And vote: IDPTG but I should be back again in a few and then back again before deadline.

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Gkrieg is an incredibly popular Day 1 lynch. We should wait to consider lynching him in part because mcmc is a freaking expert at eventually telling us whether gkrieg is scum.
And we should trust mcmc because?

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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.

faust and I both said gkrieg and e.

In passing in a list of potential D1 lynches. You were never like, "let's lynch e" directly as TWM has done twice now
What I mean is that his reasons for choosing you also apply to gkrieg. More, since faust had actually voted gkrieg.
No they don't. I have had previous suspicion of 2.7. Not of gkrieg or Robz.

I voted for 2.7 because interest expressed by others coupled with my own previous suspicions. But no one appears to want to join me here? Even those who said they would consider it?

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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.
Why not Robz?
Why are you specifically asking about Robz? I haven't been interested in a Robz lynch and seen only passing interest from others. I am not going to create a wagon on someone that I don't want to vote for.

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So why should I vote for e?
To pull an awaclus again, why shouldn't you vote for e?

But to actually answer your question:

The first thing that made me want to vote for him was #264 for his O vote and his comment about Robz. Which made me look at him more and realize that I hadn't really remembered anything from him and am having a hard time keeping track of him.

After that I thought his response to my vote was interesting. I didn't provide reasons, and still haven't until now. But he has never been interested in why. I feel like town wants to know why but scum often just ignores it passively and hopes the reasons don't get brought up.

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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.

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EFHW - other than your current - who is skummy to you?
I have an actual basis for my suspicion of Robz. Anyone else is guesswork, but I'd say e, gkrieg, mcmc?
vote: 2.7

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That said, vote: gkrieg
I don't think this vote was counted.

I also don't see the purpose of it at this point in the game.

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Cuzz: 3.
DatSwan: 8.
IDontPlayThisGame: 13.
SpaceAnemone: 13.
EFHW: 15.
Arbitrary cut at 15, because if I include Galz at 17 then have to include the 3 18s and then we are into half the players so not lurkers.

Cuzz --- replaced in, but hasn't really done anything. Would lynch, but am not excited about in that I think that he has mafia would put in a bunch of fluff posts to counter act something exactly like this.
DatSwan --- Has focused mostly on other lurkers. Is annoyed that we are looking at lurkers. I don't exactly understand why we shouldn't exactly look at them. Says that lurkers should be looked at, but also those pushing lurkers and then gives a read of players in that category, falling on faust for ???. Maybe more weird than scummy.
IDPTG --- has exclusively talked about lurkers and himself as a lurker and meta about lurkers. I was surprised by that as I thought he had done more. Would lynch.
Space --- I don't know if I have ever played against a scum space. Honestly I don't really know what to even look for. I too was surprised to find them on the lower end of posting because their posts are some that I actually remembered reading. So cautiously townie here.
EFHW --- already voting there. Doesn't feel like a lurker as posts are there and consistent. Not all of us can be the most common poster. Still don't love their votes on me or Galz. Also somewhat more aware of mcmc than anyone else.

vote: IDTPG not so much for lurking but for only talking about lurking and being very concerned about a lurker lynch but not providing an alternative.

So my concept is "weird" yet you feel the need to cut a list based on post counts that iso's people you consider to be lurking?
That sir, is weird.
Is it? I wasn’t limiting myself to voting a lurker. But instead looking specifically at them.
If none of them were scummy I would not have voted for them.

I already have a decent idea of where I stand on all the other players as they had sufficient posts to asses. The lurkers, not as much

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Cuzz: 3.
DatSwan: 8.
IDontPlayThisGame: 13.
SpaceAnemone: 13.
EFHW: 15.
Arbitrary cut at 15, because if I include Galz at 17 then have to include the 3 18s and then we are into half the players so not lurkers.

Cuzz --- replaced in, but hasn't really done anything. Would lynch, but am not excited about in that I think that he has mafia would put in a bunch of fluff posts to counter act something exactly like this.
DatSwan --- Has focused mostly on other lurkers. Is annoyed that we are looking at lurkers. I don't exactly understand why we shouldn't exactly look at them. Says that lurkers should be looked at, but also those pushing lurkers and then gives a read of players in that category, falling on faust for ???. Maybe more weird than scummy.
IDPTG --- has exclusively talked about lurkers and himself as a lurker and meta about lurkers. I was surprised by that as I thought he had done more. Would lynch.
Space --- I don't know if I have ever played against a scum space. Honestly I don't really know what to even look for. I too was surprised to find them on the lower end of posting because their posts are some that I actually remembered reading. So cautiously townie here.
EFHW --- already voting there. Doesn't feel like a lurker as posts are there and consistent. Not all of us can be the most common poster. Still don't love their votes on me or Galz. Also somewhat more aware of mcmc than anyone else.

vote: IDTPG not so much for lurking but for only talking about lurking and being very concerned about a lurker lynch but not providing an alternative.

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vote: Efhw
why?
You were a wagon I liked. To pull an Awaclus question that I think has validity at times, why shouldn't I vote for you?

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vote: Efhw

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But I am going to try and not let that get me off the rails.
That's kind of disappointing because you are easier to read when you're off the rails!
Sorry? But it isn’t very fun. For me or for others.

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Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7

What is there to explore? I suppose the possibilities are endless
You know what happens when you suppose?

No, what?
You say "Sup?" to my posse

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Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7

What is there to explore? I suppose the possibilities are endless
You know what happens when you suppose?

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Top of head from the list that would be cuz, o, idptg, day swan and maybe galz.

But most, of not all have circumstances behind that and I would want to look at specific posts to actually come to that determination.

Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7

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I think first you have to qualify who is a lurker and then find the scummiest of them. Not just pick one and role with it just because. See sir Martin lynch day 1 from last game.

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Although I would much rather lynch a lurker than faust D1.
And yet your vote is there.

48
I could vote 2.7.

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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?

Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.

Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?

It isn't inconsistent!faust. He voted EFHW for a reason. He found a more compelling reason to think EFHW was town. He moved his vote.
I didn't mean in regard to EFHW. I meant in regard to me. One minute he is voting for me, the next he is defending me against a point. He was playing both sides of it.

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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?

Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.

Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
I mean that he is playing the type of game where is just needling everyone and poking and prodding. And that tends to make me want to vote for him just because I find it aggregating especially when he doesn't let others do it to him, but those reads of mine tend to be completely incorrect, so he is probably town.

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