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i am going to submit this as the weakest board ever.

Nah ah, my board is weaker! Seriously, I think it is. Though yours is pretty weak. Your main problem though I think is the Potion opening. For Transmute!? On your board, I think I would just play Fortune Teller/Big Money, possibly with Lookout.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars
« on: May 25, 2012, 01:36:52 pm »
I have absolutely no preference for how our game is discussed among non-players. But I do prefer to have as many people as possible playing, so if that's a sticking point for some people, I would meet their demands.

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What a weak spread of cards! http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201205/24/game-20120524-225837-183f45fb.html

Border Village, Coppersmith, Embargo, Farming Village, Ironworks, Scheme, Scout, Throne Room, Treasure Map, and Wishing Well


This is the weakest dominion board I've ever seen arise outside the puzzles subforum.

I know, right! I just couldn't believe it was real when I was playing it. "Okay time to buy... nah, a Silver. Next... another Silver. And how how about... a Silver, again."

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You could open IW/Scheme, use IW to gain lots of maps and scheme to play the IW as much as possible.  By not buying non cantrip cards, you'd keep your effective deck size small and quickly gain a large TM density mitigating the luck factor of the card.  Then use your newly gained golds to grab those provinces, picking up silver with the IW once you're done with going for maps.

I COULD do that... but not doing that did get my 4 Provinces in 13 Turns. Do you think your IW/Scheme/TM plan could really do that well? I obviously got great shuffle luck, but let's say it had taken me 15 Turns to get those 4 Provinces. Worth it?

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What a weak spread of cards! http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201205/24/game-20120524-225837-183f45fb.html

Border Village, Coppersmith, Embargo, Farming Village, Ironworks, Scheme, Scout, Throne Room, Treasure Map, and Wishing Well

We both go Ironworks/Silver. He picked up a second Ironworks at one point, and I Embargoed the Provinces when I was ahead. That was the whole game.

I know Treasure Map is strong on a weak field, but... I didn't want to be at the mercy of the Maps with no trashing or cycling of any kind.

What would you do here?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Overrated and Underrated
« on: May 24, 2012, 05:49:08 pm »
Village is a pretty reasonable opening if you plan to pick up ambassadors at turn 2 and 3 - I never know whether it's superior to opening double ambassador and picking up a village at turn 3 or 4.

I think usually you want both Ambassadors first.

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Forum Games / Re: Forum Resistance
« on: May 24, 2012, 04:54:42 pm »
Interesting! Okay, I get it. GREAT explanation.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Overrated and Underrated
« on: May 24, 2012, 04:53:05 pm »
Fishing village seems to be an overrated card. Players find it difficult to spot when silver is simply better.
Village also seems to be an underrated card. Players find it difficult to spot when silver is simply worse.
Do you think Village is ever a justifiable opening?  I think it is in a notrash with Goons, Smithy, and Market.

Maybe it's the Bane card, and you open with it? And you plan to set up some great engine?

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Forum Games / Re: Forum Resistance
« on: May 24, 2012, 04:05:41 pm »
IN

No idea how to play. Suppose I should learn.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars
« on: May 24, 2012, 12:58:10 pm »
It would be great if we could get up to 12 or 13 people. That's the number I usually play with IRL, and it's a lot of fun.

I don't mind if there are a lot of roles to choose from and it's random which ones you are using, but I think I would still like a list of all the possible roles for the game... It's up to you though!

I was browsing roles to see what would be fun things to play. This Serial Killer looks interesting. Might want to give him one free dodge from a night kill, though, as he looks hard to win with.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia I: Murder in the Gardens, Day 2.
« on: May 24, 2012, 02:43:23 am »
And Robz, feel free to jail me tonight. I think the extra man might well be worth more than the investigation at this point. That's if you think mafia will kill me. If not feel free to do other stuff. Don't want to let the mafia know for sure if they can kill me or not.

You're more trouble than you're worth!  :P

Don't worry, I know what to do.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia I: Murder in the Gardens, Day 2.
« on: May 24, 2012, 02:41:51 am »
The final mafia is one of Robz, Axxle, Ftl. And I've already stated why I believe Robz's roleclaim (pretty much) clears himself. Unless anyone else wants to counterclaim?

I hope someone does counterclaim. Then maybe I get to live a little longer. I like living...

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Forum Games / Re: Forum Resistance
« on: May 23, 2012, 11:27:06 pm »
Fun fact: I chose 888 because my birthdate is 8-8-88

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia I: Murder in the Gardens, Day 2.
« on: May 23, 2012, 10:32:07 pm »
Oh boy, I am on the losing side of the vote again. I hope you were right!

Since I am certainly going to die tonight either way (and truly that's my own damn fault), it's been fun playing! Please keep in mind that whichever one ends up being the liar, he is mafia, and his co-mafia voted for the other person, like for sure.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia II: Of Goons and Woodcutters (Day 2)
« on: May 23, 2012, 10:16:30 pm »
We want to kill the people we think are the mafia, not the people we think are the town. So your new analysis, Kuildeous, doesn't sway me in the least bit. I think Bozzball's lack of involvement suggests he is town, not mafia. If I am absolutely stumped, or see some evidence to the contrary, I will have to reconsider that. But until then, I am still most confident that you and Insomniac are the mafia.

Vote: Kuildeous

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia I: Murder in the Gardens, Day 2.
« on: May 23, 2012, 06:09:56 pm »
Well, I've made up my mind, though it's like 55-45. But I can't see myself being persuaded by any new evidence. I know it's usually correct to lynch the counter-claimant, but if TINAS was really Cop he should have (and I believe would have, no matter what he says now) come out yesterday when there were 4 votes against him. There were more than a few ways he could have survived the night if he did.

VOTE: TINAS

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia II: Of Goons and Woodcutters (Day 2)
« on: May 23, 2012, 06:07:18 pm »
Uh, UNVOTE, I guess?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia II: Of Goons and Woodcutters (Day 2)
« on: May 23, 2012, 06:06:48 pm »
Well, I didn't see Kuildeous's plea before I posted.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia II: Of Goons and Woodcutters (Day 2)
« on: May 23, 2012, 06:05:26 pm »
Vote: Kuildeous

The firmest idea I have at this point is that Insomniac and Kuildeous are a mafiia team. They are the only people (and this is more true of Insomnia really) consistently saying things I don't think are helpful or even true. They have also been neither working together (until now, with their alliance exposed) nor accusatory of each other, and... that's pretty damming in my view. They sort of ignored each other the way you would expect mafia to do. But when push came to shove today, they really joined up in an incriminating way.

If I had to choose just 1 person, I probably suspect Insomnia like 5% more than Kuildeous. But I suspect them as a pair more than I suspect either individually. And frankly, I'm exhausted of this discussion and don't think I could convince the other people who also suspect the K-I pairing that we should go first for Insomniac. So this is a really a vote for K-I as a team. We will see if it's correct. I suspect it is, but I've been wrong before!

If this ends up being the pairing, let me just say that you both played a good mafia game! Look forward to discussing your tactics with you.

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Forum Games / Re: Forum Resistance
« on: May 23, 2012, 05:19:05 pm »
Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

Not only did I King's Court myself, I King's Courted that King's Court, too.

And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....

Which is why I can play all the Mafia games and Resistance  ;D

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars
« on: May 23, 2012, 04:19:53 pm »
Well, I will of course play, with a couple caveats:

I won't feel bad if you reject my application because I'm too obsessed :P
If theory has a problem with Mafia continuing obviously I won't do it
I would prefer to actually include more than 9 players this time, if there is interest for that

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia I: Murder in the Gardens, Day 2.
« on: May 23, 2012, 03:58:42 pm »
If TINAS had come on Day 1 as Cop I could have protected him during the night. Also, the mafia can't really risk not getting a kill in the night, so they don't target TINAS. So I know I don't need to jailkeep him, because if they are smart they don't target him. So he gets to investigate anyway.

There's quite a bit of rock-paper-scissors involved with that of course, but it's not as if coming out as cop on Day 1 automatically relegated him to death or permanent jailkeeping.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia II: Of Goons and Woodcutters (Day 2)
« on: May 23, 2012, 03:23:59 pm »
So Robz, just out of curiosity, when can we expect your words to be backed up with a vote?

Insomniac's recent posts have gone a long way toward clearing up any remaining doubt I had that he and K are the mafia. I'll cast my vote in a few hours, after I review everything again.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia II: Of Goons and Woodcutters (Day 2)
« on: May 23, 2012, 03:07:38 pm »
Also Robz what happened to your pairing cross-referencing analysis?

My analysis was so similar to Volt's that I didn't bother with it. But here is how I would rank my suspicions based on people.

High: Kuildeous, Insomniac
Moderate: Jtheonah, Galzria
Low: Voltgloss
None: Bozzball

If I eliminate the people who I have low suspicion for, and I eliminate pairings where there have been recent accusations and voting and tension, I'm left with K-I as the run away most suspicious pairing left. G-J is something to be aware of, they seem so on the same page, but... Volt and me are like that, so I know it can happen organically. There's also J-I and G-I, but.... J-I are fighting a bit now. Really, I'm left with K-I. If I throw Volt back into the mix there are more possible pairings (Bozzball, too), but J-I is the big one.

OK, rereading everything has certainly not made everything clear. In fact, quite the contrary. But all my most probable pairings at this point except one include Kuildeous. Re-reading has made me more convinced of his guilt, and I think maybe Galzria is right that I'm overthinking with my second-guessing. I especially notice how his day 2 play has consisted of wildly throwing his accusations from one person to the next in a way that lines up with public opinion. And Galzria has convinced me that his vote will be informational.

I'm actually ready to cast vote #3 for K, but I don't want to do so abruptly since it is the penultimate vote that opens up for the hammer, etc. So I'm pulling a Volt here. Unless something drastic happens between now and then, I'm casting a vote for Kuildeous shortly after midnight EST tonight. Even if my vote is the hammer.

In the meantime, let's keep talking it out.

Sidebar: One thing my re-read has made clear is I now agree with assessments about bozzball. Very very high chance he's town. Very low chance he's playing a high-risk mafia silent act game. So for the moment Unvote.


This raises my suspicion of you, Volt can pull a Volt because he did it on day 1. You doing it seems like a good way to hedge when you lynch innocent

Why is J doing this suspicious, like at all? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

It's stuff like this that makes me really suspect Insomniac and Kuildeous. Their reasoning just doesn't seem as sound as other players. Like, I've been suspicious of J. I have some worries that I have brought up before. But, this point that Insomniac raised is just not a suspicion point at all. I don't see how it is. And as I've said before he keeps bringing up points against me that aren't good arguments. His main problem with me is that I cast a wide web of suspicion, but I'm pretty sure J has cast at least a comparable web, and Galzria a bigger web, and Kuildeous a MUCH bigger web. So it seems to me like he keeps coming up with distortions of the truth, which is what the mafia have to do, because they are trying to convince us of something that is wrong (whereas townspeople are trying to convince each other of something they're not sure about).

And I'm more concerned about the wide web of suspicions when there aren't good explanations underlying them, and Kuildeous's aren't so great. This is not to say that he doesn't make good points at all. I like his analysis of needing to lynch, what happens on each day, etc. But, you know it's easy to score points with posts like that. And it really looks to me like Insomniac is trying to bail him out because they are both mafia.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Overrated and Underrated
« on: May 23, 2012, 01:50:37 pm »
Oh, by the way, just played this game where I beat Marin using a game-plan of BM-Mandarin. No, that's not a joke.
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201205/23/game-20120523-103155-9ac0a1db.html

You can't spell Mandarin without Marin.

(Maybe that's why.)

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