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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 11:28:52 pm »
And Protective Roles.... think logically. Protect the most likely targets, please.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 11:27:00 pm »
Is that really 7? Ah, I see that it is. O, you listed 6 people but wrote 5 votes next to Galzria. Confused me.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 11:26:09 pm »Now nothing left to do but survive the night. Protector roles, my life is likely in your hands. Though I will say on record that I won't use my power this night.
But if you DO use your power, we could verify your claim at least. Minus a serial killer and some other problems.
That is dead on why Robz. SO, if you turn out to have played me, /applause. But I believe you're town. Even now.
And I you.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 11:23:17 pm »So Rob - you are still advocating no-lynch?
Uh, not exactly. I did vote for someone. I voted for Eevee. The two other people with any votes are Jo and Galz. I'm quite sure lynching Jo is worse than lynching no one, because I am more inclined to believe his claim than disbelieve it. And I'm still more convinced the Galz is not mafia than mafia. So why should I prefer that he die?
I guess if this is going to happen anyway and I am just delaying it, I don't mind casting the vote, I suppose. I'm just not at all convinced that Galz dying is better than no one dying. Do you understand that? I'm trying to approach this rationally.
Robz, what was your feeling on Galzria when he was staunchly defending you, before he voted for you? I may have missed it but I don't remember you really addressing it. No "thanks for trusting me" or "good read". No "I'm grateful but why are you so sure I'm town?" I would find it rather bewildering if I were in the position you were in and someone was putting so much into defending me.
I thought that because we had been co-mafia together, he had picked up on the fact that I wasn't mafia, and that's why he was so convinced. This was before, when all he was saying is "Robz probably isn't mafia, Jo probably isn't mafia." Eventually it became a little crazier: "Robz is ABSOLUTELY not mafia, Jo is ABSOLUTELY mafia." At that point I did start pushing back against the second half of it.
I had just the slightest, slightest worry that Galz was boldly coming to my defense because he was a mafia trying to win my trust. But honestly, I needed the support back then, and it seemed like "he knows I'm innocent because he knows me better than anyone else," seemed like a justifable explanation.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 11:07:07 pm »
I'm here, and should be able to check in and post pretty frequently the rest of the night.
However, I must confess that at the moment I don't really plan to vote for Galzria. I am open to being persuaded, but I am in no hurry to cast the pen-ultimate or ultimate vote for someone whom I still think is perhaps town.
I understand the arguments on both sides. Here's my thing. I played carelessly early on this round. Dsell caught on to it immediately, and before I knew it I was labelled this unhelpful townie who was nasty and acting suspiciously, and I was being bandwagoned, and I really thought I was going to die. Honestly, the thought of self-hammering crossed my mind. When votes pile up against you, you would be shocked the crazy things that run through your head.
So for me, there is a narrative where by what is happening to Galzria is what happened to me, times ten. He got a little too worked up, said some careless things, and now he is in this sort of feedback loop of suspicion and insanity. He's just a misguided townie.
However, I very much see the other side of it. Yes he could be playing me, by trying to be so crazy. He insists on lynching, even if it's a townie. That's the big warning sign to me, because that's pro-mafia behavior, no matter what his role is. And I didn't at all like his certainty that we should kill Jo. There are reasons I am suspicious of Jo's roleclaim--and I think we should revisit them next round depending on what happens in the night--but for now what choice do we have but to believe it? And he still wanted to kill Jo. Was CERTAIN.
I know that I am known for strong opinions. Well, I had strong opinions in MII because I was mafia. But hey, I had strong opinions in M1, and I was a good guy. Sorry guys, I'm lost right now. I lean toward thinking Galzria is town, and I don't want to kill a townie. I also lean toward thinking Jo is what he says. There is no guarantee that I will change my mind in the next few hours. Can you understand that?
However, I must confess that at the moment I don't really plan to vote for Galzria. I am open to being persuaded, but I am in no hurry to cast the pen-ultimate or ultimate vote for someone whom I still think is perhaps town.
I understand the arguments on both sides. Here's my thing. I played carelessly early on this round. Dsell caught on to it immediately, and before I knew it I was labelled this unhelpful townie who was nasty and acting suspiciously, and I was being bandwagoned, and I really thought I was going to die. Honestly, the thought of self-hammering crossed my mind. When votes pile up against you, you would be shocked the crazy things that run through your head.
So for me, there is a narrative where by what is happening to Galzria is what happened to me, times ten. He got a little too worked up, said some careless things, and now he is in this sort of feedback loop of suspicion and insanity. He's just a misguided townie.
However, I very much see the other side of it. Yes he could be playing me, by trying to be so crazy. He insists on lynching, even if it's a townie. That's the big warning sign to me, because that's pro-mafia behavior, no matter what his role is. And I didn't at all like his certainty that we should kill Jo. There are reasons I am suspicious of Jo's roleclaim--and I think we should revisit them next round depending on what happens in the night--but for now what choice do we have but to believe it? And he still wanted to kill Jo. Was CERTAIN.
I know that I am known for strong opinions. Well, I had strong opinions in MII because I was mafia. But hey, I had strong opinions in M1, and I was a good guy. Sorry guys, I'm lost right now. I lean toward thinking Galzria is town, and I don't want to kill a townie. I also lean toward thinking Jo is what he says. There is no guarantee that I will change my mind in the next few hours. Can you understand that?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 10:45:27 pm »
Dsell, I'm just curious, what happened to your suspicion of me?
(I ask because your conviction that I was the mafia seems a little opportunistic to me if you are no longer prepared to argue for it when the town has mostly moved on to other suspects. I haven't forgotten, of course. Or perhaps you no longer suspect me so intensely.)
(I ask because your conviction that I was the mafia seems a little opportunistic to me if you are no longer prepared to argue for it when the town has mostly moved on to other suspects. I haven't forgotten, of course. Or perhaps you no longer suspect me so intensely.)
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 10:38:08 pm »My views:
Possibility 1: Galzria is mafia (30%)
He tried the self-vote-zomg-I'm-insane-route to try to deflect voters
Possibility 2: Galzria is vanilla townie (65%)
He honestly believes townie lynch is better than no lynch. He thinks me and J are mafia partners and that him dying will lead to our lynchings, good for the town. Problem: Me and J aren't mafia partners
Possibility 3: Galzria is a power role
We're f*****
Essentially, this is correct analysis to me.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 10:30:59 pm »Because Mafia Galzria is not Town Galzria. And Town Galzria isn't as polished.
If this is true, it's really beautifully ironic.
But Robz, you of all people would recognize a clone of G's MII playing style. He had to shake it up. It's hard enough to come up with one way of playing mafia that convincingly apes town. Galzria found himself needing to come up with two. Is it any wonder that the second one cracked up?
Well, that does make sense. I'm not ruling that explanation out. It just doesn't entirely explain how far he's flown off the rails, to me.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 10:25:50 pm »Because Mafia Galzria is not Town Galzria. And Town Galzria isn't as polished.
Well, I would believe that. I was the same way earlier this round. Town Robz wasn't as polished as Mafia Robz, and I got myself into trouble with a couple people, as you know. You were probably thinking you're immune, because you're not mafia this time, so what's their to suspect about you? You won't give anything away--there's nothing to give away, because you're not hiding anything, you're town. This is how I was playing, too. Well, lesson learned for me. I hope you've learned it as well.
And truly I disagree with you about the necessity of lynching this round, which is still my big hang up about you. I am pretty sure we are going to mistakenly lynch a townie no matter what we do--indeed, the main contender for awhile appears to now be a Power Townie--in which case it is absolutely better to not lynch.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 10:13:48 pm »
What's throwing me for a loop here is that the situation Galzria finds himself in is one entirely of his own making. By insisting on certain people's innocence and guilt, by insisting that we kill someone, anyone, even people he thinks are innocent, even people who are Power Townies, switching his vote to the person he had long defended, and by carrying on a personal feud (which I'm not blaming him for, I don't know who started it, or care, or whatever), Galzria has created suspicion for himself when previously very little existed.
Because Galzria is a savvy mafia player, rather than a crazy person, I'm trying to come up with reasons why Galzria would do all this. Or has he simply snapped?
Because I can't imagine why Mafia Galzria would do this--and because I still maintain that a 'no lynch' is perfectly acceptable at this point--I will not be voting for him. However, if 7 people are persuaded to vote for him, I can hardly blame them.
Because Galzria is a savvy mafia player, rather than a crazy person, I'm trying to come up with reasons why Galzria would do all this. Or has he simply snapped?
Because I can't imagine why Mafia Galzria would do this--and because I still maintain that a 'no lynch' is perfectly acceptable at this point--I will not be voting for him. However, if 7 people are persuaded to vote for him, I can hardly blame them.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Resistance: The Empire Must Fall
« on: June 03, 2012, 10:02:37 pm »Suggestions request goes out to everyone. And those who are experienced with Resistance, I'd appreciate a lesson on strategy surrounding the card.
I think you would want to give it to the person whose votes have been the strangest.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 08:10:26 pm »
If he thinks I'm town he shouldn't vote for me. And he's said he's certain I'm town.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 08:09:38 pm »My change is in the face of the deadline, and not so much else. I still think Robz is town, but admit (in light of Dsell's points) that I COULD be wrong. But any lynch is better than none, and I obviously wasn't going to convince people to vote for J today. With so many inactive town, I am trying to give town the most chance to collect the votes needed to lynch.
Any lynch is not better than none, except for the mafia!!!!!! Lynch of a town is worse than no lynch! Why is this so hard to understand?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 07:49:40 pm »
Y tu, Galzria?
Why? It makes objective sense to lynch no one, rather than lynching a member of the town. I understand that no one can be sure I'm not town--but you, WERE sure, until just recently.
Let me explain my thoughts on No Lynch here. First of all, in Mafia II, I argued strongly that No Lynch was very bad. Well, I was a mafia member, so that was a misleading thing to say. In truth, it's better to lynch no one than lynch the wrong person. The mafia absolutely do want us to lynch somebody today, as long as that person is not mafia. The mafia want somebody to die every single last time there is a chance that somebody could die. We, the town, must be more judicious.
The worry about not killing anybody on Day 1 is that on Day 2 we are in the same boat. However, we aren't in the same boat on Day 2, because we have learned a lot of crazy things.
Here's the preferences for mafia: Killing innocent > No Lynch > Killing mafia
Here's the preferences for town: Killing mafia > No Lynch > Killing town
Are we going to kill a mafia right now? I am not a mafia. Jo is a One Shot Vigilante. I suspect Eevee, which is why I voted that way, but I'm not positive at all.
I would rather lynch town Robz than no lynch, so right or wrong if it brings town together, I'm good with this.
Why? It makes objective sense to lynch no one, rather than lynching a member of the town. I understand that no one can be sure I'm not town--but you, WERE sure, until just recently.
Let me explain my thoughts on No Lynch here. First of all, in Mafia II, I argued strongly that No Lynch was very bad. Well, I was a mafia member, so that was a misleading thing to say. In truth, it's better to lynch no one than lynch the wrong person. The mafia absolutely do want us to lynch somebody today, as long as that person is not mafia. The mafia want somebody to die every single last time there is a chance that somebody could die. We, the town, must be more judicious.
The worry about not killing anybody on Day 1 is that on Day 2 we are in the same boat. However, we aren't in the same boat on Day 2, because we have learned a lot of crazy things.
Here's the preferences for mafia: Killing innocent > No Lynch > Killing mafia
Here's the preferences for town: Killing mafia > No Lynch > Killing town
Are we going to kill a mafia right now? I am not a mafia. Jo is a One Shot Vigilante. I suspect Eevee, which is why I voted that way, but I'm not positive at all.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 07:09:20 pm »
I'm actually pretty satisfied with no lynch at this point, and not just because my head is one of the ones on the chopping block. I feel like there's a lot of important information out there, and a lot of interesting alliances and rivalries, but I can't make sense of them yet. Perhaps our investigators or doctors will learn something helpful. Perhaps the mafia kill will put things in perspective.
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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Expansions Ranked by Flavor Paragraph
« on: June 03, 2012, 06:38:44 pm »
The Hinterlands paragraph is so great.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (SIGN-UPS NOW OPEN; ONE SPOT STILL OPEN!)
« on: June 03, 2012, 04:52:28 pm »
It's up to Volt but I would be fine including all these people even in excess of 13, and then just adjusting number of roles and mafia accordingly. But whatever Volt wants is totally acceptable.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 03:15:53 pm »
Galzria: I'm sorry--and I am very appreciative of how much you defended me, because you're correct about me!--but I'm getting a little worried. You have seemed so certain about Jo, certain in ways I can't possible understand. And now it looks like you're wrong there. (Or do you disagree? Do you think he's lying about his claim? I believe him, though he did himself no favors by delaying the way he did. And really, I'd probably rather he didn't kill anybody tonight, likely as he is to hit town). But you won't change your vote? I'm not accusing you or getting upset with you Galzria.
I'm just trying to understand, so that we lynch the correct person here. It seems to me like there is one certainly incorrect person--Jotheoenah, the One Shot Vigilante--so why still vote for him? Do you see my confusion? I'm not crusading against you, I'm not denouncing you, I'm just trying to understand.
I'm just trying to understand, so that we lynch the correct person here. It seems to me like there is one certainly incorrect person--Jotheoenah, the One Shot Vigilante--so why still vote for him? Do you see my confusion? I'm not crusading against you, I'm not denouncing you, I'm just trying to understand.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 02:57:24 pm »Lets see... J roleclaimed, and we have NO votes switching?
Yea, we definitely have no mafia voting for him right now, none at all...
Well, I think Yuma and Morgrim aren't around right now. Didn't they say the wouldn't around? Don't know about Michaeljb. Galzria gave his reasons. Volt... might not have seen yet, either.
But yeah, it's a little surprising. Truly, given that we believe him--and pretty much, I do--we really shouldn't kill him.
Uh, no lynch by virtue of no one having 7 votes? It's better than killing Jo if he's a power townie (or me, as I am innocent!). And we actually have gathered a lot of information this round (though what to make of it I have no idea). Maybe our Cop(s) will help us out tonight.
My vote is still on Eevee, though, for reasons I've outlined.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (SIGN-UPS NOW OPEN; ONE SPOT STILL OPEN!)
« on: June 03, 2012, 02:25:30 pm »
I have no problem with it. We have to assume each other's best intentions.
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Dominion Isotropic / Re: Strange Browser interaction?
« on: June 03, 2012, 02:05:08 pm »
I saw "Strange Bowser interaction". (What, he returned the princess voluntarily and wished you a merry day?)
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Dominion General Discussion / Re: What cards are the most fun?
« on: June 03, 2012, 01:54:19 pm »Recently... Scrying pool has become a favorite to play, but not to play against.
I love Jester and Noble Brigand in multiplayer.
And Hunting Party when I can get it going well with an awesome terminal or attack.
I've really, really come around on Scrying Pool. I used to not go for it enough, which would lead to long, awful games where my opponent did go for it and... well, you all know how painful those are. And I would lose! But I've learned my lesson, and now I see that Scrying Pool is much less ignorable than I previously thought. And it's a lot of fun to play.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (SIGN-UPS NOW OPEN; ONE SPOT STILL OPEN!)
« on: June 03, 2012, 01:48:56 pm »thinking about it... keep saying I'm just gonna spectate the next one.
You should play!
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 01:12:39 pm »
Well, any other Town Vigilantes out there? If there are, please say. I'm sure there aren't two of them. I suspect it's just you.
I don't have to unvote you, because I never voted for you. However I would really like to not die instead. What now, town?
I don't have to unvote you, because I never voted for you. However I would really like to not die instead. What now, town?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY
« on: June 03, 2012, 01:11:01 pm »Volt and Galz, NEITHER OF YOU ASKED ME TO FULL CLAIM. I said I would claim if asked. No one, except Robz, asked. I was just waiting for words to the effect of "Yes, you should role claim." I never got them. Still haven't.
Anyway, here goes.
I am Town Vigilante. I have 1 one-shot night kill. It seems like kind of a weak vig variant, which is why I think there could be two (like I said, unlikely, but possible).
Since I'm likely to be nightkilled by the mob, I'm offering to use my power tonight if the town can agree on a secondary target. Otherwise, you could try to keep me alive long enough to use it for some useful purpose tomorrow night, when we have more info.
Great, now 3 townies will be dead by the morning of Day 2.