I have no reason to believe there are any scum on the bandwagon ATM. Maybe Grujah.
@Robz, why are you so worried about Pops? 5 is far from 8. I had forgotten Insomniac had voted way back when, but your suspicions that we band wagoned to join him are ludicrous. I believe O and myself have reasons for voting Pops. Both of us have expressed interest in JUST HEARING an explication. So I really don't understand your points or concerns for Pops.
No one voted me for being silent? I'm just not as cool as SFS and Glooble I guess...ah well. It does mean that I can respond to every accusatory post, since no one really cares. And, I guess I'll die night 1, since no one really cares...This strikes me as incredibly Vanilla Town, for whatever reason. Maybe something between the combination of "I don't understand why you're treating me differently" and just the right amount of resignment.
Although this can also warrant looking at who's been attacking SFS and Glooble since they might be Theorel's potential partners if he is mafia.
And, that's the whole thread. Now for a quick post before bed...
@Pops: I didn't mean to say I wasn't going to read the thread (although I guess I did say IF...put it up to frustration at number of posts to read (especially because I couldn't read some while waiting for code to run at work because I couldn't get on f.DS)) The IF was more of a IF I read it all before I post.
Okay, the rest:
No one voted me for being silent? I'm just not as cool as SFS and Glooble I guess...ah well. It does mean that I can respond to every accusatory post, since no one really cares. And, I guess I'll die night 1, since no one really cares...Maybe this day will last a long time, slow down a bit, and things will change.
Things directed at me:
I played mafia IRL in college a few times. I enjoyed it, but enjoyed more reading Mafia I and II. I decided I wanted to play a forum game, since I haven't in some time...here I am with no forum mafia experience.
Quicktopic is totally fine by me
Hmm...Pops is at 4, so he's unlikely to be mafia...IMO too quick to build. Of course Axxle was willing to push it further (from 3 to 4 also) nvm he hit it to 5. Hmm...Draw your own conclusions, I don't think Pops is acting scummy. The question is who's pushing the bandwagon looking for scum, and who's scum trying to jump on?
Wonder how many posts will be up by the time I read tomorrow morning?
It's town. Lay off him. Let's move onward.
Vote:Popsofctown for being Galzria-Confident on steroids, to the point of trying to stifle conversation.
Here's what I'm curious about at the moment. It seems that someone will say, "Hey, look what this person did. Suspicious. VOTE: THEM." And then two or three other people will instantly jump on that vote, sometimes with no explanation.VOTE: POPSOFCTOWN
I'm interested in seeing where this leads, with my above suspicions as my reasonings.Unvote Insomniac
Vote Pops
So, you were won over to that pretty easily, eh Grujah?
I merely agree to Galz post (quoted one).
Though I do find myself getting too easily won over (have this feeling in RL as well as here, actually).
VOTE: POPSOFCTOWN
I'm interested in seeing where this leads, with my above suspicions as my reasonings.
Unvote Insomniac
Vote Pops
[/quote]Hello everyone.
I might be able to provoke an argument this way: I am actually fine with not killing anyone on Day 1 if I don't believe we have a good chance of actually killing a mafia member. (When I argued otherwise in Mafia II, I was a member of the mafia).
I'm not voting 'No Lynch,' and I'm not saying that should be the goal--but if we run out of time, and we have no reason to suspect anyone more than anybody else... it's better to have an additional townsperson alive on Day 2 rather than mislynch. In my view, at least.
Do you really think we'll run out of time, given the late deadline and how much talking we've done in less than ten hours? I think I agree with you in general, but I'm having a hard time seeing how, given the amount of information we'll likel have even just at the end of this week, we won't have a better-than-random chance of hitting scum.
I would rather have a Vanilla Town lynched than not lynch at all. Even if it's me. The math simply supports that being the better move. I would also rather lynch a VT than a Role. And above all that, I would rather lynch Mafia.
We can't be looking for obvious tells, but we should hunt for subconcious ones. Robz expressed (in MIII) that when he played as mafia (in MII) he wrote a lot of posts and deleted them. Mafia are playing carefully. So I think people playing carelessly are less likely to be scum (myself included). Of course, that does not preclude the possibility of carefully trying to appear careless. Still, I think our rapid-fire posting should make it hard to fake erratic play (i.e. think carefully about appearing not to think carefully). Should our hypothetical mafioso then decide his or her only defense is to actually stop being so careful, well great - all the more likely they'll slip up in some actionable way.
No, that's the sick part, he can. Cop is such an overpowered role, it was worth him damaging day game just to save it (presuming he did)Unvote
Well you were right. Looking at Mafia I, O is just unhelpful Day 1 town, and miraculously changes Day 2 into good town.
If by "unhelpful" you mean "getting a VT lynched instead of Town Cop, which was unhelpful to me since I was mafia", then yes, very unhelpful.
I have to say - its pretty impressive to be claiming success @ lynching town - just because the alternative was worse.
I hate cops.
Not Voting (11) - Dsell, Insomniac, Robz888, O, theorel, Glooble, Tables, Grujah, jotheonah, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Green Opal
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch[/color]
The best example of this I can think would be Mafia II. Going into day 3 - there are 3 town and 2 mafia. If any member of the town misvotes - then the game is over, because the two mafia can quick hammer him. Sure enough, when
Thus - I was 90% sure that RobZ was Mafia when he opened the voting on Day 3. A vanila townie wouldn't have enough information to put the game out there on a 50/50 shot at being right - when no hammer occurred over the remaining time, I was 100% sure.
Wow, posts accumulate in these quickly, that's something that's less apparent when browsing purely as an interested bystander...
Robz, while you were mafia in M2, you also both made a big point of your primary strategy being 'Don't lie about stuff if at all avoidable'. And just as a general case, choosing no lynch has to have some dramatic gains in information to be even potentially worthwhile, given the town is sacrificing people at night for it. But then that's basically the argument you made last time so you're already perfectly aware of it. Obviously, not voting with intent to lynch unless you're reasonably suspicious of someone is sensible preservational play, but how sure of yourself would you want to be of your suspicions before going ahead with anything?
So far? Nothing has looked suspicious to me. But then we're one and a half pages into day 1, so what else is new.
So, my big thing is--I would rather lose no one than lose a member of the town on Day 1. This is because after Night 1, we will have a kill to evaluate who could have done it, and potentially Role Townies learning things. On Day 1 we have absolutely nothing. That doesn't mean I'm aiming not to lynch, or I don't want to lynch--but I will not lynch for the sake of lynching.
How sure of my suspicions? To vote for someone in any round, I would have to be more certain than not that they were mafia, so 51% sure on them, I guess. If I am more than 50% sure on a number of different people, then I may vote for the one with the most votes/greatest likelihood of lynching, rather than the one I am most certain about.
That's insane. If you had 33% surity, and the surity was directly translatable into actual odds a person is mafia, then if we random-voted with 33% odds the town would have great chances of winning (I'm pretty sure the math here is right).
Wow, posts accumulate in these quickly, that's something that's less apparent when browsing purely as an interested bystander...
Robz, while you were mafia in M2, you also both made a big point of your primary strategy being 'Don't lie about stuff if at all avoidable'. And just as a general case, choosing no lynch has to have some dramatic gains in information to be even potentially worthwhile, given the town is sacrificing people at night for it. But then that's basically the argument you made last time so you're already perfectly aware of it. Obviously, not voting with intent to lynch unless you're reasonably suspicious of someone is sensible preservational play, but how sure of yourself would you want to be of your suspicions before going ahead with anything?
So far? Nothing has looked suspicious to me. But then we're one and a half pages into day 1, so what else is new.
Robz: Voting for someone who's been too quiet is often a mafia move as much as anything. Mafia players rarely want to just sit there in silence, and are if anything more likely to get prods from their teammates to be more active. As a way to get them to talk, well, sure, but as a target for lynching... it's a bad move. It's essentially justifying a random vote.
Say jotheonah jumps up and says "I'M SCUM!" which he did already jokingly. I'm not saying we shouldn't kill him, I'm also not saying he isn't responsible for his actions. What I AM saying is that if we lynch him right now we have no new information on day 2 except whether or not he was lying. We still have no better idea where the mafia is which is information I'd like to have going forward. I'm not even saying he shouldn't be lynched day 1 for his claim. But I AM suggesting that the longer day 1 is drawn out the better it is for the town.
I believe Axxle to be town.
Discuss.
