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Mafia Game Threads / Re: f.ds Mafia Hub
« on: January 28, 2022, 01:29:38 am »
For whoever is next, if you want to try modding using discord, I can give you the mod role where you can set up your channels on the server I set up. If I need to play I will look into handing off ownership to JReggie if he's still up for doing that for us, otherwise I have another friend who's experienced with admin-ing discords, and I'd trust him to just sit and own it and manage roles according to whatever we need.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: f.ds Mafia Hub
« on: January 24, 2022, 11:28:25 pm »
Hello there

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« on: January 01, 2022, 08:36:00 pm »
Ok, gonna lock it in there while I figure out exactly what the setup looks like with 9.

Dylan, I know you can restrict access to certain channels, but can you also make them invisible to people who don't have access to them? Otherwise we might have an issue with things like masonries, where the very existence of them needs to be secret. Although we could just make a practice of making a few extra dummy channels.

Answered in the mod channel. But since everyone will need to know that it works, the short answer is yes.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« on: January 01, 2022, 01:54:43 am »
https://discord.gg/amNUQYxT

Join and change your server nickname to match your name here if you are in or wanting the speccy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« on: December 31, 2021, 11:30:07 am »
I will probably have to be out for at least this discord trial game, because I'll be able to see all the "private" channels, hence the need longterm for someone who doesn't actively play to be the server owner.

Joth, I sent you the invite link, so if you could join asap I could give you the permissions and start walking through the process of setting everything up with you before you are having to immediately send out PMs.
I assumed the mod would create a server.

You don't really want to have a new server for every game. It's a lot easier to use one server and archive old games for a number of reasons. And in another thread Joth and I had talked about me making the trial server for his game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« on: December 31, 2021, 10:11:55 am »
I will probably have to be out for at least this discord trial game, because I'll be able to see all the "private" channels, hence the need longterm for someone who doesn't actively play to be the server owner.

Joth, I sent you the invite link, so if you could join asap I could give you the permissions and start walking through the process of setting everything up with you before you are having to immediately send out PMs.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« on: December 31, 2021, 09:36:19 am »
Just gonna make a post here. Please Don't m/ind me.

Read this and thought to myself,"Wait, didn't Galz already say this earlier.....oh"

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: December 30, 2021, 09:18:46 am »
Has anyone ever talked to an automaton and gotten their problem solved?

Once. Lost a credit card, company's automaton had the process of requesting a replacement built in. Somehow it worked flawlessly. I was shocked.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (GAME OVER - RATS WIN)
« on: December 21, 2021, 12:48:40 pm »
gg

glad I was right about fang and Didds originally and that I was able to be convinced about scola lol. Good voice killing me the last night because I still thought there was a decent chance fang v scola was a fake 1v1 based solely on my knowledge of past scola games.


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 17, 2021, 01:16:45 pm »
Vote: scolapasta

So the last page did a lot to reassure me that changing my mind was the best course of action there. Faust passing up the hammer finally convinced me that he's town enough to get over my doubts for now.

The fact that after most of the discussion not one person was willing to just straight up say they preferred exiling fang to scola suggests to me that scum accepted the fact that scola was a lost cause and that they needed to distance themselves to not get caught as partners as easily. In fact the closest anyone really got to leaning fang was Didds, who--until I asked point blank--was very hesitant to commit one way or the other. Of course, one could try to argue that all of the scum team saying they are ok with exiling a person at EoL (or whatever we are technically at) means we are on town, but subjectively I've seen myself and my scum partners in past games both pile on the 3rd partner when it looks like that person is a lost cause just to avoid being easily seen as a partner.

After thinking about it more, Scola's claim reminds me so much of the time I was scum, got to the point of only needing one misexile to win, and I claimed some kind of result that would force a 1v1 against one of the scummier-looking townies, and I promptly went from being heavily townread to pretty much everyone's top scumread, and I was correctly exiled that day. Whoever pointed out that scola's claim basically chose the safest possible 1v1 target is probably right.

Re: Scola's next to last post about the wagon build up. One thing you miss by pointing out that they almost got the last vote from Didds is that joth literally told her not to vote in order to wait for the IC when I still hadn't said I was scumreading you. I said I had made up my mind but wouldn't vote until X-1. I didn't say it would be on you or that it wasn't going to be fang. If the entire scum team was on one wagon and they told the first townie to express intent to hammer not to do it, then they deserve the win.

Scola points out EFHW joining with bad logic. I actually think that very well might be a bus vote, because until I laid out very clearly why scola and fang couldn't both be town, EFHW was trying to keep that possibility alive when everyone else had seemed to already recognize that it couldn't be the case.

All the arguments about Didds being partners with scola were convincing to me, so that should be an autoexile tomorrow if the game goes that long as long as fang has a chance to post their results from the night (assuming we hit roleblocker!scola today). faust and joth are town, and I really don't think fang and scola could realistically be partners, and if they are, that's almost as bad as misreading your role pm lol. It's also ironic to me that the people I've come to believe are town are exactly the three people scola, my former biggest townread, claims is the scumteam. If I'm wrong, then at least I'm going to be wrong to an almost absurd degree.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 16, 2021, 05:23:57 pm »
I think I've made up my mind, and I really do think the exile should be between scola and fang. I'm very likely going to hold off on voting until it is actually X-1, but no guarantee.

My opinion and reasoning will be posted along with the vote, probably not before.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 16, 2021, 11:49:54 am »
joth and Didds. Not saying you need to vote, but I do want both of you to state which of scola and fang you think is more likely to be scum. You don't need to think they are the best exile for today; I just want everyone to be on record with their preference between the two with where things stand right now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 2)
« on: December 16, 2021, 10:51:20 am »
Hi hi hi!

The odds of there being two mayors seems absurdly low, right? The smart money seems like - mayor, one liar.

I’m wasn’t sure why Joseph would claim, but now realize that he successfully outed the mayor with no problem.

Consider this evidence that at least one of the potential scum in this scenario came out of N1 with the conclusion that two mayors was extremely unlikely, and that they probably discussed the options in their QT, so whoever is partnered with Didds reasonably agreed that it was very unlikely, because they might have convinced them that it was possible over the night.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 16, 2021, 10:46:03 am »
I've had a read through scola's posts this game with my special scola-is-scum(TM) glasses.

And partnerwise, it is just 100% Didds. Especially this post:


...

Phase Two: Random other player votes with what *should* be the hammer. If exile happens, there were exactly two votes between Joseph and I, which means we had one mayor and one drunk as expected and we are IC (unless you genuinely think Joseph and I BOTH fakeclaimed, in which case, test one of us individually to make it mathematically 100%). If no exile, go to phase 3.

Phase Three: One more person votes. If the exile happens, one of us (Joseph) lied and the other (me) is drunk. If no exile, we are both drunks, and the wagon is for sure at X-1.

If you don't understand, doubt, or disagree with anything, please be specific with your questions in relation to this, because I've been sick this weekend and it's totally possible I'm just not thinking or typing as clearly as I think I am lol.

ppe 4

Plenty of posts have happened after this one, but my biggest issue is here Phase 2 (and 3). I don't know if we're really set to exile WCD (the current testee) and all this testing talk time is really hurting our focus.

So I'm fine with Phase 1, but it gets us very little info and then we need to regroup and determine who we may actually want to exile. Add in the fact of different time zones, not knowing when exactly mod will post new vote counts, this feels guaranteed to leave us scrambling at the last minute. Which is in the middle of the day for those of us in the US and may be hard to have a lot of time to read / post / vote.

So honestly, I think at this point we need to move past the testing and just try to play like a normal end of D1.

I'm happy with my current vote.

Didds is on 3 votes + Dylan at this point.
Phase 1 is where Joseph would vote for Didds to check for 2*mayor or mayor+scum.
Phase 2 is where someone else would then vote for Didds to check for mayor+drunk.
Phase 3 is where another player would then vote for Didds to check for drunk+scum.

And scola's post here is saying "happy with phase 1, but please don't do 2 or 3 on Didds".
Now that Joseph and Dylan are confirmed town we know that scum "knew" they could rule out the "+scum" options above. ("knew" in inverted commas because actually Joseph being VT this wasn't the case...)
So scolapasta "knew" that phase 1 was safe and phase 2 would cause Didds to be exiled.

Scola's the certain exile today, but sounds like others aren't on board with that. But I'm convinced enough that Didd's is also scum.
vote: Didds

Given how hard I had pushed against the possibility of two mayors, this actually is one of the more convincing arguments I've heard. If they thought two mayors was a real possibility like EFHW suggests, it would undermine it, but I don't think that was a possibility anyone (except maybe MiX) really thought was possible D1.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 16, 2021, 10:40:37 am »
scola is clearly scum, since he's been sitting on fang's wagon and there hasn't been a hammer.

vote: scola
Err... how does that make sense?

If scola is town, then fang is scum. Of course scum wouldn't quickhammer scum.... your argument would only work if scola and fang were both town, which is impossible.
It is possible they are both town. It's also possible they are both scum. But you are right that fang scum, scola town would also look like this, so scola isn't 100% scum.
Not it's not possible that they are both town. That's the whole point...

Couldn't you, joth and Didds all be scum from my perspective?

Scola and fang can't both be town because fang claimed to get a result the same night scola claimed to roleblock him, and the roleblocker can't be roleblocked, so scola's action would have for sure gone through.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 16, 2021, 10:36:28 am »
I suspect faust has just fallen for townreading based on agreement rather than actual reads or game state
This is a bit insulting.

No insult intented, and EFHW is right that the comment originated from your own comment that fang agreeing with you suggests he's not scum and that the people that disagree with you are more likely to be scum. Pointing out an inherent bias that has been very thoroughly studied but researchers much more capable than myself and pushing back a bit when your own stated reasoning at the very least runs parallel to that bias even if it's not the cause is in my mind totally justified. Mafia skill, intelligence, political leanings, none of it matters; people tend to trust people/sources that agree with what they believe. It is nothing personal towards you, and in fact knowing that you're pretty darn good at this game, my expectation was that taking it as an insult, you might at least consider that possibility and make sure that you do have other grounds besides "fang and me see pretty much eye to eye on many theory questions, so I would expect him to come to the same conclusion - which implies he's not scum either." You have given other reasons, so at this point I don't think what I said is what is going on here, but at the time it was perfectly fair to at least question that.

ppe 2

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 15, 2021, 06:33:41 pm »
Ugh, I want to talk myself into scumreading faust because I can totally see this being a scum!faust game with the way he's played, but no matter how I slice it I can't get myself to justify pushing for his exile today, and if we don't get it right now it doesn't matter.

I suspect faust has just fallen for townreading based on agreement rather than actual reads or game state, because for town every human everywhere regarding everything it's a lot easier to trust someone you agree with than someone with whom you disagree or are arguing with. The only legitimate reason I can see for going scola over fang in this 1v1 is that as far as I can tell, fang did play the cop exactly the way I would expect someone to play a cop of unknown sanity in the situation we had D1. Target someone who's alignment is very likely to be confirmed one way or the other the next day at the latest without saying anything about the result until after you know your sanity and hopefully have another result. The weird thing as far as targeting choices goes (besides why shoot me N1 given the apparent lie) is why scola would have blocked fang N1 instead of one of the two people seemingly guaranteed to have scum in it. So I guess there is a case to be made for scumola.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 15, 2021, 06:22:53 pm »
Here's another argument that isn't likely to convince anyone but myself.

The N1 kill choice was super weird. Like, at the end of D1 it was clear that one of Dylan/Joseph had been lying, and to scum it was clear that both are town. What a perfect situation! Why on earth would you go out and kill either of them? You might easily hit the one who's not a Mayor, thereby confirming the other's identity and robbing yourself of a perfectly good misexile.

This, first of all, makes it clear that I was not involved in this killing decision (part 1 that will convince noone because "WIFOM"). And now from what I can gather fang and me see pretty much eye to eye on many theory questions, so I would expect him to come to the same conclusion - which implies he's not scum either. With joth I'm less sure, but the people I clash most with on theory question are definitely the ones I can most see make that choice, and that's exactly EFHW, Didds, scolapasta.

You are correct regarding the WIFOM, but that point is something I had already considered before you brought it up and was a big part of why I had lessened my suspicion of you (moved you to null rather than scummy at least), but now that you point it out and demonstrate you are aware of this it reduces how much faith I can put into that somewhat...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 15, 2021, 06:19:59 pm »
I dislike all this setup/mod second-guessing. Many times I've run a setup and been informed afterward that everyone but me thinks it's unbalanced. We don't know anything about what math considers balanced, about the affect he expects things like unknown cop sanity to have on balance, or about the exact breakdown of scum powers. I'm unlikely to be swayed by any case that starts with "math wouldn't".

This is fair, and I've been consciously trying to be open-minded about possibilities of what might be in the game, with the exception of assuming not two mayors earlier, which wasn't primarily balance based in my mind and more just would any mod ever do that in a non-bastard game kind of thing.

That said, I do think cop+rolecop is just less likely than rolecop+roleblocker, no matter who the mod is, as long as the mod has played like any amount of mafia in a format like this before.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 15, 2021, 06:12:50 pm »
Bold take, scum team is fang, scola, faust, with faust masterminding the 1v1 between the other two and the plan to push to exile outside the 1v1 to get the last misexile.

Ok, that's probably not likely, but from my perspective (with worse PoE than other townies), I would rather exile from the 1v1 than the 50/50 from the other set of 4. For me it's the same odds, but it's actually higher given the possibility of two scum being in scola/fang. If we exile one of those two, worst case it's a 50/50, best case it's 100% scum. Exiling from the other set of 4, worst case it's 25% scum (33% if you are town in that set), best case 50% (66% if you are town in that set [I went to abbreviate this to "66% if " with the first letter of each word of the previous parenthesis, and almost died laughing when I typed it out lol]). Anyway, I suspect exiling from the 1v1 is probably at least as good statistically for us, if not straight up better. At the very least, it's close enough that I don't think we should choose to exile from the set of 4 based solely on odds.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 14, 2021, 09:33:30 pm »
So there's a moment where you have to kind of trust your gut, especially when there's decent reasoning that backs it up, even if it's not ironclad proof. When it's the first person on the claim list vs the last and those two positions did correspond to my reads, I feel like I have to ride or die with it a little bit. Also, if we have a town cop AND a rolecop, we need to have a little conversation with our mod about balancing a game imho. Fang had to just look at the town roles, figure that cop probably wouldn't directly get counterclaimed after gkrieg's flip and just went with it. Remove gkrieg from the game, and I think it would have been a reasonable enough claim given the possibility of insane, but I just don't see town having both of those given the options for scum.

Of course, being the last person on the IC's list could have given scola the courage to counterclaim given scum might only need one more exile to win, and that's honestly about the only thing that's keeping me from just voting right now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 13, 2021, 12:31:46 pm »
I had my own dance of DONE moment last month with a work thing, so congrats Didds!

Massclaim order:
fang
faust
Didds
EFHW
joth
scola

Might be the first time I've ever had to set one of these, and I've probably got it all wrong, but I can take comfort in the fact that even if I get literally everything wrong for the rest of the game, none of those mistakes will be the ones that are remembered from this game lol

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 12, 2021, 11:28:44 pm »
The fact I could see any of 4 of the 6 of you being scum here is frustrating.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 3)
« on: December 12, 2021, 11:27:16 pm »
Everything is stupid. I wish I had been able to check in after Joseph claimed the mistake and before the hammer, because honestly that did make more sense than scum!Joseph both fakeclaiming and then targeting me... but then that's probably just wishful thinking with hindsight.

Scum apparently has a rolecop and hit gkrieg N1, because I really didn't expect to be alive today, and gkrieg seems like a really random target otherwise.

Maybe you were doctored? And Gkrieg was a vig mistake? Otherwise, yes…very rando

This is where Occam's razor cuts in a bit. One scenario involves 2 town PR's including a doc after a bodyguard already flipped, the other is just scum figured out a PR to kill rather than the IC.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 2)
« on: December 12, 2021, 11:25:14 pm »
I'm sure that's what happened  :D

I think not everyone has posted yet, so I will allow for some more time, but consider this my

intent to hammer

faust, at this point we didn't know for sure it was E-1, but you sound here like you are sure of it. How is that?

I mean, we did know it though. Scum tried to kill me, and we knew there was one mayor and one liar (intentional or otherwise) between Joseph and I from the D1 wagon, so we knew I had 2 votes on Joseph, and the rest was just counting.

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