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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 4)

« on: April 14, 2021, 02:00:25 pm »

You can be mad, and I get it. To my mind this was all about rectifying what happened yesterday and ALL of the military being deprived of a vote. It's not scummy. It wasn't ill considered.  I don't see any reason to let scum have any sway in my decision about MiX, nor do I think I need to justify anything to scum.  And the sooner I cast my vote, the sooner we could get on with the day.

To be fair, the person you voted to acquit was exactly the same person who disenfranchised somewhere upwards of half the players in the game, so that's not exactly justice.

My vote on Jack was not reflective of whom I think is most likely to be scum, but of what the available choices were at the EoD and looking for information by joining a wagon and seeing reactions. I knew I was military and that my vote didn't count anyway, and so I voted accordingly. Having that vote used as part of the justification for clearing MiX is just kind of frustrating.

I do think you and ADK voting so quickly was very surprising. I would have expect that if you're a townies who presumably doesn't have any extra external information, then canvassing opinion and waiting for night information on MiX would have been the most sensible way forward. So I think either you're already sitting on information you're not telling us (either relating to MiX, to some personal goal, or to something I haven't even thought of) or I agree that it feels really suspicious that you didn't want to see what other info is out there before casting a deciding vote after an alleged non-townie had already voted that way.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 4)

« on: April 14, 2021, 11:10:44 am »

"So... are we done here?", SpaceAnemone asked. "I didn't even take my seat yet..."[/i]

Haha, yes, quite! I was in meetings at work, and right now is my first chance to check in with the thread.

I don't know what to make of the sudden MiX-exoneration with no discussion. I honestly don't know which way I'd have cast my vote.

I had a QT with Swowl last night, for unknown reasons. Now he's incapacitated and with a green flip, I'll think about whether there's stuff from that  I want to share, though of course you'd all only have my word for what he thought anyway. I did ask him whether he'd vote to flip MiX if he had the chance, but unfortunately our awake times didn't line up very well, so I didn't get an answer from him on that before the thread closed.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 12, 2021, 08:28:05 am »

Okay, let's say I'm military! I softed it earlier anyway when pointing out to Mathdude that people with military backgrounds tended to be the main characters in BSG, since he'd evidently been thinking that military might be somehow bad.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 12, 2021, 08:23:31 am »

I'm here now.. meeting is on a pause and probably going to run into lunch when it re-starts.

Vote: Jack for what it's worth.

Are you a civilian?

Sorry.. saw that post then immediately got pulled back into my call. Free now. It's quiet in here!

Is revealing my civilain/military alignment more beneficial than leaving people guessing and requiring more votes to move if people want to be particularly sure of the outcome?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 12, 2021, 07:51:40 am »

I'm here now.. meeting is on a pause and probably going to run into lunch when it re-starts.

Vote: Jack for what it's worth.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 12, 2021, 06:11:58 am »

I'm around, but back at work this week, so not really free to engage till 30 mins before deadline when my before-lunch meeting ends.

I think I'm mildly against a swing onto Robz just because he's a player who could provide some innovative content once he catches up, and I think that would help in this game. If we're left with a lurker exile, sadly I think Jack is a better choice there, even though I'm loathe to chase off a newbie in a tough game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 11, 2021, 04:39:27 pm »

This is treading into dangerous water, but:

I have information, accessible only to me, that makes me strongly believe mix is town

If you think I'm town, and you trust my judgement, you won't exile mix

Do you specifically believe MiX is town, or just that he's not Cylon aligned?

I ask because not for the first time this game, the fact he's explicitly mentioning the possibility of third-party or traitor mechanics (see his recent criticism of Jack) makes me wonder what particular information he's got that makes him go into extra detail relating to those possibilities.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 09, 2021, 09:14:15 pm »

I do have to admit I'm less engaed in this day trying to decide on voting, due to my "backup" vote. I've thought about it some more, and it's not even really a 1/2 vote, since even if all the military chose to vote for someone in possibly (likely) wouldn't matter.

But I do want to place my vote somewhere, so am going to go with:
Vote: space

I just find their posts to be less anemotown than usual. Like, they provide a lot of useful content, but it's mostly just recap of what's happened and repeating others' opinions. I think the most recent post, where they agreed a bunch with me felt just enough to think they might be trying to buddy me.

I'm also wary of swowl's supposed compulsive, then not compulsive shot, and then the weirdness of his killing / protective actions against LL. I'm really not sure how to interpret all that.

I still don't fully have my head in the game, but at least I've gotten my biggest blocker to engaging in the game out in the open now. (Possibly second-biggest after just not having coped well with this game starting before the previous one had ended).

I do find it mildly amusing that you ended your post with an "I'm also wary..." and then came to the same conclusion about Swowl that I ended my big recent post on, even though you apparently characterised my post as just "repeating others' opinions".

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 09, 2021, 09:04:45 pm »

I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.

How exactly is mix being "controlling"?

There are a lot of examples of general attempts to shut down conversation about some topics, or not to share information on ExO cards etc. Against a back drop of those kinds of assertive statements, though, there's also some more specific stuff, for example, when MiX had the QT with Mathdude. First there was a directive to Mathdude to check in with it whenever he was posting (#244), then later on MiX literally said "If you don't want my help, then I don't want you alive" when Mathdude did something without asking MiX's permission. To me, that's language that wouldn't be at all okay in real-life social interaction, so I thought it crossed a bit of a line here too. I called it out at #248 and MiX responded "Talk to me when you find it scummy", which I felt was trying to shut down my observation about civility because it's not game-relevant.

Further on when Mathdude says something else QT-related, MiX says "please talk to me before revealing things in the thread I swear to god", where I'd generally read that ending as threatening language, and therefore classify it as controlling.

At #592, Scola asks MiX whether he'd consulted with ADK on the ExO card, because MiX had admonished Mathdude for not discussing the selection with him. MiX's response at #593 was that his demands of Mathdude were a way to get a read on him, and that since ADK is very experienced, MiX didn't need to do that with them. That seems to entirely miss the point that Scola was pointing out to MiX how hypocritical he was being.

As a last specific example, at #599 there's a throwaway reply that "It means that I don't feel like forcing them to make decisions through me will help them, or me." Again, MiX writes as if forcing people to do things is a socially acceptable way to behave, and I find that disturbing.

I don't know what I think about how alignment-indicative any of this is. It's possible that scum!MiX is less likely than town!MiX to make blanket comments about how anything is pro-town, simply because he's a player who's quite strongly biased by his current assumptions about the game, therefore maybe he's more likely to be so adamant over the "it's anti-town to tell you" line if he's really town, because scum!MiX would be more aware that he'd have to convince other people. Either way, I would prefer it to be non-alignment-indicative behaviour that MiX could learn to modify to be more mindful of how his writing might come across.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 08, 2021, 07:50:10 pm »

A bunch of rambly summaries of where I am with the various players. Some of these clearly need targeted re-reads, but I feel like it's a decent start.

I like the energy Scola is putting into the game, including a load of questions to keep people in check. That seems townie, at least in as much as they're the kinds of things I might have wanted to ask if he hadn't gotten there first.
I feel like EFHW and Dylan are also working to catch up like I am, and are in a similar place.
Didds seemed more on the ball about the ExO mechanics than I expected, given that she's not usually such a setup person, but at the same time it's definitely not something she couldn't just have done, so I'm not reading it as scummy. I also like the way she's trying to get Jack into the game by offering some hooks to respond to, because having an unknown newbie who's not really participating could lead to an easy mixile later if they're town.
I agree with a couple of others that MiX is anti-town, but I've really found the controlling language he's using really quite offensive or upsetting at various points, so I'm not sure how badly that's colouring my impression there.
Jack is just a total unknown.
Ash is playing in a very one-track something-to-prove way, which I feel just isn't moving us on much right now, focused as it is only on his own character and not adding anything in the interactions. OTOH, I'm less inclined to vote for him because of how keen he is to be exiled on what seems like pure supposition and/or to prove some hidden point.
LL's claims seem weird but believable. Seems like he traded a second day of not voting for the ability to see the type of action as well as just seeing that a cylon action had occurred. That's quite RMM-specific, so I kind of believe it.
Swowl was super-around at EoD1, though that might be as much to do with timezone as a townie desire to see an exile go through. Did spend a lot of time poking at Awaclus, who turned out to be townie. Weird compulsive-vig-protection thing that doesn't quite seem to line up with LL's claims.
When I did a full re-read, ADK posted less than I'd thought. In a game with so many posts going round in circles, that seems like a good thing. I definitely had an early-game disagreement over revealing the Helo stuff, but I think that's more likely philosophical than alignment-related.
Robz is still in the game?

I'll go with Vote: Swowl for now, since not voting isn't a state I want to be in, however badly I did with voting on the previous game-days. I'm still not feeling totally on top of this game yet, in spite of the catch-ups.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 07, 2021, 11:51:25 am »

Is anyone Boomer?  I read more about my character.  Seems I was with Boomer, and then found out Boomer was a bad robot, and then I hated robots?  And then I became a robot, or was one the whole time, which seems like a lazy retcon?

Anyway, if someone is Boomer, does that make them mafia?

Ash, I have to say I'm kind of scumreading you just because of your dogged return to questions about flavour that are really not supposed to have a bearing on the mafia component of the game.

Do you accept that it's possible for this game to contain cylon-species characters who are human-aligned for the purposes of the town wincon?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 07, 2021, 11:43:47 am »

LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?

This one is interesting to me, since that's the way I read LL's post at first too, but in retrospect, I think he only means that a misc action targeting him on N2 could only have been carried out by a human, because otherwise he would have detected it:

Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.

I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.

all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human

The slightly iffy point to me is that LL has said a bunch about when he was targeted by cylons, but has not felt the need to say anything about the type of targeting for the D1 incident. Like, I would definitely have said "D1 misc action, N1 nothing, D2 nothing, N2 protection and shooting actions", or something like that, assuming opening a QT counts as a misc. While I know I'm prone to being more precise than the minimum requirement for conversations like these, I also think it's odd to focus on the type for the N2 stuff and consistently not mention the type for the earlier action, particularly because of the otherwise-unexpected QT.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 07, 2021, 11:25:49 am »

I'm still working on catching up and re-reading to try to get into the game. Here's my D2 summary:

D2 starts at #566.
Cylon detector mechanic is introduced as a daily possibility.
LL still can't interact with voting.
Awaclus says he doesn't have anything cool to discuss at #572 -- maybe relevant later if people think he had a result.
Ash volunteers to undergo testing
#590 Scola reveals they took a night action and so are hated.
#607 faust reveals that Ash tested as a cylon.
#609 Ash tries to self-vote, which looks a lot like a grab for towncred.
#629 Ash becomes hated for mentioning QT style.
#636 Ash has been saying MiX is scummy for playing in a self-serving way, but MiX still wants Ash to stay alive here.
#657 Ash seems to be hinting at being the Chief, but also being a civilian.
#662 & #664 Awaclus checks some could-be-bastard rules stuff with faust.
#677 Ash still pushing to be exiled, in a post largely about confusion over Tyrol being one of the final 5.
#686 Scola comes in with a catch-up post. I think I agree with a lot of what Scola says.
I feel like Ash is really pushing this character background/alignment stuff a lot. Scola is engaging a lot too.
Huh, there really is a lot of Ash, MiX, Awaclus and Scola going round in circles. There's some new content getting injected gradually, mostly by Scola, but the rest kind of comes across as noise.
#756 Scola declares a scum-read on Awaclus, and says Ash is not scum.
#765 I caught up enough to ask a question that I thought put a sizeable hole in Ash's exile-me-quick logic.
ADK, Scola, Swowl, Awaclus and MiX all posted after that without acknowledging my post.
#776 Ash responded to me, so he can have townpoints for being engaged in the game and not just in whatever posting war the others are locked in.
#813 LL admits to something happening regarding Scola that built some trust. (which was a N1 neighbourhood #816).
#814 LL builds a WCD case, which is refreshingly different from the rest of the posting war. Sadly, I think it's pointing to behaviour that results from the other game we were tied up in just sucking our time and causing anxiety.
#841 I don't think I ever responded to Didds! Yes, hot cross buns are freezable, but my freezer is not big, so at most I could get like 8 buns in there alongside my usual proteins and veg.
#844 Awaclus insisting that Scola is scum.
~#850 discussion on whether the neighbourhood with LL and Scola was created by town or scum.
#871 Awaclus points out that day actions are likely to exist unless LL and Scola are lying about their QT, which ran through N1.
#873 LL says he was targeted by a cylon on Day 1.
#882 Scola claims to be Bill Adama.
#896 Swowl claims "sort of" compulsive vig.
#911 D2 ends with no exile. For my part, I was offline after the other game ended, needing a break for reflection, and just totally missed that this one was so close to deadline.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 06, 2021, 06:28:28 pm »

This game is so difficult to catch up with, so in case it helps anyone else who's struggling, here's my super-shortened summary of D1, which I've made as I re-read everything:

Game start at #48
LL couldn't interact with voting.
There was a discussion of LL's role, which I got tired of and posted about Helo in-thread because I didn't like town sitting on useful info.
Ashersky made a big deal over his confusion about human/military and maybe about cylons/humans and alignments in general. He laboured the point enough that I felt like it was more the set-up for an ash-plan than it was general confusion, but then I don't think I'm generally good at reading him.
Mathdude picked MiX as VP/
Awaclus stabbed Mathdude and "incapacitated" him, removing mathdude from the game, making MiX president.
Mathdude was confused about how the hand of ExO cards worked, so picked "curfew".
Scola is the first person to say that they know who LL's character is, at #99. MiX says at #113 that he knows, and ADK confirms at #119 that they think they can guess it too, though both express a desire not to say anything in-thread. I spill it at #121 because I think that's more towm-useful than making everyone who doesn't know the flavour read up independently if they're town.
Ash raises a point about MiX, Robz and mathdude using "cylon-aligned" to mean mafia even though faust hasn't told us that's what the mafia side is.
There's some discussion of mathdude and his lack of known meta.
Scola scumreads mathdude for not checking the exact mechanisms at play. I'm mostly picking this up just because I know mathdude flips town.
There's a thing about whether scum want to hunt active PRs.
There was a thread lock and asynchronous kill at #414, but voting was not reset.
Mathdude was Laura Roslin, and was human-aligned.
Awaclus's explanation of the options he was offered starts at #421. (more thoughts at #436).
There's some stuff about a Swowl-ADK link around #469-#474 that suggests Swowl shouldn't beVP, but ADK was a good choice.
#482: EFHW points out that Mathdude had a passive killing power, which was something I'd also missed at the time because it was in a quote box and I generally gloss over those. The roles were:
  * passive, miscellaneous
  * passive, killing
  * miscellaneous, protective
#503 ADK gets to be VP.
There are partial pushes on EFHW and Dylan towards the EoD, but it ends at #564 with no exile.
There's also no NK going into D2.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 3)

« on: April 05, 2021, 10:18:24 am »

Apologies for going proddable at the end of the last game day. I honestly hadn't realised the deadline was so close to the M134 deadline, and that game was taking almost all my attention. I intend to do a full re-read of this game starting tonight, though that may take some time, because the number of posts here already is not much less than the entire M134 game :-/

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Game Over - Skum Wins!

« on: April 02, 2021, 07:24:57 pm »

Also, for the record, all three scum were on the mathdude wagon. So the next time someone says "scum wouldn't", just remember M134.

Yeah, I spotted that! Usually I'm the one pushing more than anyone else for looking at things that don't look like "normal" voting patterns in wagon analyses, whereas this game I was actually scureading faust for saying there was likely to be an off-wagon scum, just because I had such strong feelings about how the EoD1 had gone down.

I can kind in retrospect how faust would scumread me for that in return, though, because apparently even the scumteam read more into my EoD1. Honestly, I was just trying to optimise the amount of information available for town in the game, and not jump to rash conclusions with a newbie in our midst.

Also, thank you Robz for the save!! Sorry I couldn't avenge your death :-(

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Game Over - Skum Wins!

« on: April 02, 2021, 07:05:48 pm »

Well done Joth especially.. Dylan was high up my scumreads, and I had so nearly wanted to push there instead, but Joth was pretty much the towniest of the bunch remaining, as far as I could see.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 5!

« on: April 02, 2021, 05:53:16 pm »

Either it was EFHW, or two of the four of us who are here have already lost, and the other two know it. Anyone going to put us out of our misery?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 5!

« on: April 02, 2021, 05:52:04 pm »

Definitely not me, but I'm really worried about Joth's vote there.. that was too easy given that he was just apparently trying to talk himself into voting for me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 5!

« on: April 02, 2021, 05:50:06 pm »

Vote: EFHW

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 5!

« on: April 02, 2021, 05:48:50 pm »

I’m ready to vote for EFHW

Any problems?

Just that I'm still worried that too many of us are willing to vote for her! :-P

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 5!

« on: April 02, 2021, 05:47:45 pm »

It's getting a bit close for comfort, and the site just timed out on me a minute ago.. the last thing we need is technical difficulties adding to the stress :-P

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 5!

« on: April 02, 2021, 05:47:05 pm »

Scum wants to be here at deadline as well. Though perhaps they don’t want us to know they are.

Sure, but town literally can't afford not to be here, whereas scum can.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 5!

« on: April 02, 2021, 05:42:20 pm »

We have 5 people left, meaning that we need 3 to carry an exile. Would town!EFHW be gone and not make that issue clearer to the rest of town?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 5!

« on: April 02, 2021, 05:39:54 pm »

Cool! Any recent thoughts?

I can't quite work out why I'm scumreading EFHW for things that I'm not scumreading Joth for, but I'm still more inclined to vote there than anywhere else, given that Dylan is here and putting effort in.

Anyone got a Joth case to balance me out?

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