If you could set up KC-KC-Feast-Feast-Feast in Duke-Duchy without your opponent realizing what you're up to, I imagine that would be pretty satisfying. I did something similar in a Gardens game once.
I still think you are all wrong. I always thought the opposite about this card : easy to execute, hard to block.
You need 6 duchies and 5 dukes so that they are worth as much as eight provinces. Not much, it's only three dead cards more, for the total cost of 55$ (64$ for provinces).
And man, it's so easy to get 5$ each turns ! a simple silver helps a lot. Obviously, a card like Horse traders or feast is also good… but even without…
And, if the province player can grab some duchies/dukes, the duke player also, can easily take one or two provinces. But actually, the duchy or duke doesn't really help the province player.
Also, the duke does not need 3-pile ending, unlike gardens or silk road. Because, as I said, it's easy to get more than 48 point : the maximum for provinces.
You tend to compare the Duke to gardens. it has nothing to do.
Here's the idea: Before the game starts, and after the kingdom cards are laid out, each player is dealt 3 estates. Then, secretly, each player takes into their deck as many coppers as they want (perhaps limiting it to "your share" of coppers: total coppers divided by number of players). Play then continues as normal.
What do people think of this idea? How would it play out? Where would it be broken?
No BlessI know these aren't meant to be serious, but I still feel the ned to point out that this card will NOT stay in play at the end of your turn.... Durations cards stay in play until the end of the last turn in which they do something. So you need to have "at the start of your next turn, _____" in order to do what you want.
$2 Action - Duration
Choose one: +2 Cards; or +1 Action
While this is in play, noone can play Bishop and Chapel.
Watchtower or Trader or reasons that this shouldn't be possible even during the first reshuffle - or is the "if you do"-clause not fulfilled that way? Still, that would be 10 Silvers without the +10 cards.
Honestly, why limit it to turn 1?
When this card is in the supply, you may gain a Curse. If you do, +1 Card.
I think the real distinction is between 'curse-giver' and 'everything else' at almost every price point. There's very few things that can deal with curses effectively (other cursers, ambassador, masq, and... that's about it reliably. Actually, I should make a call for games where cursers are beat without these, because it's very few). And the other attacks may be good, but not more so than just strong cards really. Militia ~= monument, for every minion there's a hunting party, etc. So I mean, most of the other attacks are strong, but not like on another level.
Out of curiosity, how much space is required? In our itty-bitty 720-sq-ft home, we make use of an old-fashioned card table that is probably about 3-foot square. It holds Dominion fairly well. It barely holds Ghost Stories (if we don't use the five-player expansion). To my surprise, it actually holds Risk:Legacy just barely (assuming I put the box on the floor). I wouldn't dream of trying to play Smallworld, Dungeon Lords, or Power Grid on it.
I wouldn't mind finding another game that will fit in that space. Maybe Kingdom Builder is my next consideration.
Thank you all to people on the board who have taught me so much, as well as played hard-fought matches with me.
To be honest, your opponents play doesn't excite me much here. He does not bother to buy an Ambassador or either of the other two trashers and just lets you give him all of your Copper and Estates. On top of that, he spent $6 FOUR times on a City in an effort to empty the pile by himself. They only reach level 2 (with two turns left in the game).
Obvious question, but I suppose solitaire mode rules out arbitrarily powerful pirate ships?
My username is a pun, it was very amusing when I played Eye Urn, as I'm sure anyone who watches the current matches would know.
You forgot to mention how ironic it was that we played each other.
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None of the ten kingdom cards you named allows any trashing, yet, you assume a deck with no copper. Does the challenge require that this deck be possible to build, or do we need to include Steward here?
You can play LOTR online now, it looks pretty slick, and may fill the hole I'm gaining with Isotropic's pending shut-down.
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr
Start out with Scrying Pool in hand. Use it to draw everything except 2 Victory Cards... you now have 93 cards in hand. Play Vault, drawing the last 2 cards. Discard all but 1 Scrying Pool for $93. Repeat this process 8 more times... you now have $837.
How are you playing the second Scrying Pool after the Vault? You're going to have to insert a Festival or Mining Village play in between somewhere. Also remember that every cycle, you lose 3 cards from your deck by playing them (1 SP, 1 Vault, 1 MV), so the amount of total coin generated is not exactly $93 * 9.
Ah, what about replacing Bazaar with Mining Village?If Vault is part of the solution, I would think Secret Chamber would help as well.
I certainly thought about it! The reason I didn't end up with it is that in order to use an extra 9 Secret Chambers, you would have to have a way to keep drawing your deck in between each play. I've already used all 10 Scrying Pools, and any other methods of drawing cards is not efficient at all. King's Courting the Scrying Pools doesn't help at all because you can't play actions in between the triple-Scrying Pool plays.
If Vault is part of the solution, I would think Secret Chamber would help as well.
^"Always" is a strong word, though I don't imagine it's that far from correct. There was a thread about it a while ago though that outlined situations in which it might be better to go copper=>silver...
To add to the cache vs silver thing, think about what hands that buy provinces look like. Unless you're going for a really heavy silver strat like trader or double jack, you basically need either a gold (or cache) or a +cards card to hit $8. And if you have 2, you're basically guaranteed a province. Given reasonable money density, gold (+ cache) density actually becomes more important than money density. Similarly with buying golds. Pre-greening, a gold (or cache) in hand basically allows you to buy another gold almost regardless of what you draw it with.
