If by "design rules" you mean "things that haven't been done yet but in theory could be done", then the answer is: lots.
What is this I don't even.
+2 Buys? Trashing from discard? Madmen? Gaining from trash? Negative money?
All the rules are broken!
Unless I'm missing something... is there any practical difference between trashing a Madman and returning it to the pile? Because there are only 10 Hermits, you can only ever get 10 Madmen...
Thanks to Graverobber (and probably other cards), you can now have more than 10 Hermits.
Ruins should give us a new Max Fairgrounds score, if anyone cares to calculate it. And Menagerie is gonna be a decent counter to ruins attacks.
(3) "Three ways to gain Ruins" -> I'll bet it's not "Three cards that give Ruins", but rather "Three ways"
Way #1: Other player gives them to you like a curse
Way #2: You give them to yourself as a penalty for a card that would otherwise be too good (We've seen lots of fan cards like this before that have been poo-poo'd. Just like $1 cards and card that take from the trash were poo-poo'd)
Way #3: Something else? Maybe you start with Ruins? Or cards get transformed into Ruins?
And it would mean overall if you played randomly you would barely ever play with Ruins -> 3 cards in ~200?According to the BGG thread, this gives you about a 15% chance of having Ruins in a completely random game. It's identical to the chance of needing VP tokens.
Also! I noticed that Donald basically said that there were 3 looter cards in Dark Ages. Yay.
There are three Looter cards.
I think Ruined Village giving +2 Actions is just too good for a Ruins. In almost any Kingdom without a Village; you will be happy to get those.
Not in most games with junk-giving Attacks, you wouldn't. For instance, any game with Ruins.
I'll take a shot at predicting the other Ruins.
Ruined Smithy: +1 Card.
Ruined Village: +2 Actions.
Ruined Woodcutter: +1 Coin.
Ruined Chapel: Trash a card from your hand.
Ruined Smithy might be +2 Cards and still be sufficiently bad.
Ruined Village could be +1 Action, but that's a card you almost never have any incentive to play. It's incredibly uninteresting. I'd prefer +2 Actions; Discard a card.
Ruined Chapel seems like it would be much more powerful than the others, especially in a Dark Ages-heave setup, so it's the least likely.
Ruined Chapel: Gain a card from the Trash costing $0.
I'll take a shot at predicting the other Ruins.
Ruined Smithy: +1 Card.
Ruined Village: +2 Actions.
Ruined Woodcutter: +1 Coin.
Ruined Chapel: Trash a card from your hand.
Ruined Smithy might be +2 Cards and still be sufficiently bad.
Ruined Village could be +1 Action, but that's a card you almost never have any incentive to play. It's incredibly uninteresting. I'd prefer +2 Actions; Discard a card.
Ruined Chapel seems like it would be much more powerful than the others, especially in a Dark Ages-heave setup, so it's the least likely.
Indeed. Upgrade and Lookout will both be great here; because they are the (so far) non-terminal trashers.
Also apprentice.
Upgrade a Cultist into a Gold, Watchtower it, draw it along with 2 other cards.
I'm not sure if you can do that, actually... I think that when you play Upgrade, first you trash the Cultist. At that moment you have to choose to draw 3 cards; before you have gained anything from Upgrade. Then you gain a card, then you can reveal Watchtower.
Still, you get 3 extra cards, and an Action to use them with!
Upgrade a Cultist into a Gold, Watchtower it, draw it along with 2 other cards.
Rules question! I play village cultist cultist. Do I have an action available to me? The ways I see it are
1)No you played 2 actions.
2) Yes village gave you 2 you played a cultist for one and as part of cultists resolution you got to play another
2)
Yes, you have an action. You did not spend an action to play the second Cultist.
Don't have time to read the whole thread, so apologies if this was already brought up, but:
With Feodum around, will we get a rule clarification on whether Silvers (and, by extension, other money cards) are a pile that can/cannot be emptied?
So, Cultist looks really strong. Really, it's a Laboratory with a bunch of other benefits, including a Curse variant attack. It's a Laboratory because you can keep playing copies of it (provided you have them, sort of like Lab), which is easier because it's drawing cards. It's not completely equivalent to Lab, because you can't play any other Actions, but then it has the benefit of giving your opponents these mostly useless cards. Oh, and you can trash it for a nice pay off.
Yeah, but I don't see this being that viable, usually. By the time you're chaining at least 3 in one play, or by the time you're pretty much guaranteed to get 2 in one play, ruinses are gonna be gone. Especially considering you're going to be getting ruinses as well. And then they're just worse labs, except for the trashing bit.
It seems like you need such a good cultist density. Maybe if the board had chapel/university.
Sure, but if you do get that density quickly, probably with a nice early trasher or something, the snowball effect is going to be so huge.
Yes! KC-Cultist means that you are three times allowed to play another Cultist (no, not allowed to play three times, I see that). That's a really flippin' allowed choice
Outside of Feoda being an awesome word, Donald has verified that the plural of Ruins is Ruinses. Brilliant.
Oh, Feodum and Trusty Steed.
And the long-awaited buff to Explorer.
A situation where you would choose NOT to reveal a Province?
Fairgrounds and Horn of Plenty come to mind for the simple ones. For more convoluted ones... Forge, Upgrade, and Governor you might really need a Silver in hand instead of a Gold. There might only be 1 Gold left and you are losing. There might only be 1 Silver left and you are winning. There might be 0 Golds left and you want to gain something. There might be some kind of fear of Thief/Noble Brigand/Jester. Ok, I'm done.
Have you guys thought about the fact that cards with a Trash clause on the bottom could potentially turn up in sets with no trasher?
What could the weird one be?
Ruined Monument - +.1 VP
Ruined Gardens - Worth one VP for every 30 cards in your deck.
Ruined Golem - Play one action from your deck
Ruined Library - Draw up to five cards in hand
Ruined Militia - Opponent discards down to five cards in hand
Ruined Pawn - Choose 1: +1 Buy
Ruined Island - 1 VP. You may set this aside with another card, but they will NOT be returned to your deck at the end of the game.
This game deserves its own thread, with a prize for the right guess.
The Ruins pile, when present, is a supply pile. You can only buy/Workshop/etc. the top card. If it's empty that counts towards game end.
You can only Ambassador two Ruins at once if they have the same name. When you Ambassador a Ruined Market, you return it to the top of the pile. Then the player to your left gains one. Then the player to their left may or may not gain one, depending on whether or not the next Ruins is a Ruined Market.
Ok, so the Ruined Lab variant is obvious: +1 Card
And, the ruined terminal Silver (no idea which one he'll pick) is going to be +$1.
The interesting question is: will the Ruined Village be +2 Actions or just +1 Action? I'm guessing +2 because outside of some Conspirator niche cases, an action that does nothing has no redeeming quality.
+1 card has no redeeming qualities, either.
I wonder what the other "ruined" cards are going to be?
Ruined Village: +1 Action
Ruined Laboratory: +1 Card
Ruined Wodcutter: + $1
