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Forum Games / Re: Proposal to stop using "lynch"
« on: June 16, 2020, 08:16:27 pm »
Well, Mafia is a game of extrajudicial killings, which is inherently a very disgusting, uncomfortable and unacceptable thing. It isn't just past tragedies either, it's a thing that still happens. I'm not opposed to revamping the flavor of the game such that players can feel more comfortable — I am, however, strictly opposed to making extrajudicial killings seem more comfortable by changing just the language, as if the string of letters that is "lynch" is bad but we're totally okay with unlawful executions in general.

I mean it doesn't have to be about that, though. Replacing it with "Exile" for example.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Twilight 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 07:43:45 pm »
And also, calling that faust "giving his reasons" is laughable.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Twilight 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 07:41:28 pm »
To put the above quote in context, I had just made my case and dropped vote # four on the GHS wagon when faust posted that. Soon thereafter, mix moved his vote and the wagon fizzled.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 07:38:38 pm »
My town pings/reads right now

Galz
Greathallscout
Didds
Eddie

So let's cut Eddie from that list and add a couple:

Galz
GHS
WCD
Rhand
LaLight
Faust
Glooble
cayvie, it seems you have a bad habit of voting for your townreads. Should I be worried?

And by my count, GHS, you had 4 votes on you at the time faust posted this.

Hardly fair to call that "barely a wagon", no?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 07:33:53 pm »
I don't like this quick faust wagon. squire claim seems null if not towny i need to think it through more and dont have time. id rather Vote: EFHW

grrrrrrrrr GHS is scum

please explain

Shading the counterwagon is gross at that moment. You and faust have now done mutual wagon deflection. No thanks.
i dont really understand this. Are you saying i shouldn't have explained why I liked one wagon over the other?

I'm saying, looking at the whole of the day, your interactions with faust look scummy

okay I'd like for you to give concrete examples of this

I mean I just did? You said you didn't like faust's wagon and shaded it by calling it quick.

Hard to find quotes on phone, but faust also shaded my case on you by criticizing me instead of responding to what I said about you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Twilight 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 07:30:42 pm »
(and yes faust, now would be a reasonable time to accuse me of confirmation bias. As opposed to when you did so before.)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Twilight 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 07:28:03 pm »
Specifically, despite neither of you giving a real reason, each of you has worked to deflect the other's wagon.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 07:25:14 pm »
I don't like this quick faust wagon. squire claim seems null if not towny i need to think it through more and dont have time. id rather Vote: EFHW

grrrrrrrrr GHS is scum

please explain

Shading the counterwagon is gross at that moment. You and faust have now done mutual wagon deflection. No thanks.
i dont really understand this. Are you saying i shouldn't have explained why I liked one wagon over the other?

I'm saying, looking at the whole of the day, your interactions with faust look scummy

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 07:12:19 pm »
I don't like this quick faust wagon. squire claim seems null if not towny i need to think it through more and dont have time. id rather Vote: EFHW

grrrrrrrrr GHS is scum

please explain

Shading the counterwagon is gross at that moment. You and faust have now done mutual wagon deflection. No thanks.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 03:46:29 pm »
I don't like this quick faust wagon. squire claim seems null if not towny i need to think it through more and dont have time. id rather Vote: EFHW

grrrrrrrrr GHS is scum

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 02:10:56 pm »
i would vote faust if we had more tome but two hours simply isnt enough.

well im mad at chairs for saying this and then ditching, but i think it's townie.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 01:15:27 pm »
People who have played with MiX before, is he town?

Probably yes

well didds is the only player i trust to read MiX tbh

Yeah, I’m afraid all picks being suggested right now are rocks and hard places.

Jimmm
Swowl
Even Didds

Those are better places than this pool, probably.

what the heck is this

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 01:13:49 pm »
If it’s between faust and EFHW, I’m gonna reread both.
There’s no ISO function on this site, right? Can’t do ctrl-f on the phone :/

You can click to their profile and view posts, that's as good as it gets. Fortunately no-one posts about Dominion here anymore.

I'm not voting for faust today under any circumstances.

huh, okay.

usually that certainty of phrasing would imply an alignment knowledge, but iirc you've already stated that you don't know each other's alignments.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 01:09:13 pm »
If it’s between faust and EFHW, I’m gonna reread both.
There’s no ISO function on this site, right? Can’t do ctrl-f on the phone :/

yeahhhhh there's not unfortunately. as far as i know.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 01:06:53 pm »
i would vote faust if we had more tome but two hours simply isnt enough.

sure it is.

vote: faust

i'll be on until deadline to switch back if needed.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 01:00:50 pm »
I'm at work, so only have a few seconds. I'm a willshaper.
What's your order's special power?

Redirector.

Is your rolemame "cayvie's nightmare"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 12, 2020, 12:54:40 pm »
OK, finally caught up on 7+ pages since last night.

Lots going on.

Re: my MiX "obsession" - I don't see it that way, mostly just I presented an argument, looking for good counter reasons, and all the counter reasons pointed out seemed not logically sound to me. So I wanted to point them out. That said, (and I have stated a few times) that the specific argument may itself be a red herring. I still think it, but I know it's not strong enough by itself for others.

OK, moving on, as we are 2+ hours from DL.

I had been leaning EFHW vs cube on the wagons (and may still get there), but I do like the idea of

vote: faust

So will second that one and see if others join in. If it doesn't build enough within the hour, will revisit my vote. I should be around for DL, assuming no work thing comes up.

I would be willing to consider switching to faust. He's still in my scumreads, and it seems to me that lynching a Squire is not the worst, mechanically.

As, even in the situation where both hyper and faust are town, faust's powers are vulnerable to a kill on hypercube anyway.

Of course I still have bad memories of scum-EFHW combined with bus driving my vigshot on her from Falling Skies so I'm fine with that lynch as well. Lynching hypercube seems mechanically poor, since I don't have a scumread on him.

I would also not want to lynch: WCD, Rhand, Galzria, Jimmmmm, scolapasta. Or Glooble, obviously.

I would still want to lynch: GreatHallScout, but nobody wants to join me. Not opposed to a Dylan lynch if it comes down to that.

Others are meh lynches to me rn.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 11, 2020, 11:44:37 pm »
Nevermind, I'm totally wrong. I still disagree, but don't have an argument to support my position.

PPE I don't see what you mean

What is your position? Is this about mix's alignment?
I still think the 5 vs 15 issue is NAI.

So do you have an opinion on mix's alignment, 5 vs 15 or otherwise?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 11, 2020, 11:02:01 pm »
Nevermind, I'm totally wrong. I still disagree, but don't have an argument to support my position.

PPE I don't see what you mean

What is your position? Is this about mix's alignment?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 11, 2020, 01:22:37 pm »
what about you, Rhand, what's your top 4 scums looking like?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 11, 2020, 01:04:03 pm »
huh, interesting.

it feels like wagons have had a tough-ish time forming today. but EFHW in particular has seemed to be almost allergic to wagons, despite widespread suspicion upon her from many players (myself, WCD, faust, jimmmmm, GHS off the top of my head)
So why weren't you voting for her earlier?

i wanted to push GHS, iirc. also no real case on her, just gut.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 11, 2020, 12:52:30 pm »
huh, interesting.

it feels like wagons have had a tough-ish time forming today. but EFHW in particular has seemed to be almost allergic to wagons, despite widespread suspicion upon her from many players (myself, WCD, faust, jimmmmm, GHS off the top of my head)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 11, 2020, 12:31:46 pm »
Vote: Galzria

Why's that?
We need wagons, I like this one best of the people with at least one vote.

better than vote: EFHW?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 11, 2020, 12:31:28 pm »
While I agree that the style of the claim seems very MiXish, I still think there should still be a valid reason for an assumption. In this case, I fail to see it:

Assuming he has access to 5 powers, then it can't be that since there's no combo of 5 that are all 15. So then next, it's the one extra order power - who makes an assumption off 1 example??

But if I say to you this story: "scum talk N1, learn that all their order special powers cost 15. One of them observes, hmmm, looks like all order special power could cost 15 (or something like that), and then for one of them to scumslip" - I mean that should at least sound plausible no?

The fact that you don't agree that this is at least a reason to be suspicious of MiX is weird. The fact that you didn't check if it was actually reasonable with any combo of 5 before suggesting that is weird.

I get that I could be following a red herring. But to be so dismissive of this - including "this is bad" seems itself suspicious.

I'm actually very much looking forward to Jim's read of MiX, to see if he (or frankly anyone) has opinions on this.

this is good. i like this from scolapasta.

Why? It's a stretch at best and it's occupying all of his attention. If I was scum I would know a bit more what a Reporter ability would cost by comparing with other order powers. But I just have mine, and that doesn't let me extrapolate much.

i already think you're not mafia, MiX. but scola's post makes me think he is also not mafia, whereas previously i didn't have much of a read on scola at all. i.e., i think scola is genuinely trying to scumhunt.

if looking for a case on you is "occupying all his attention", that means he's town, right?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 11, 2020, 12:23:14 pm »
talk to me, scola: gun to head, who are your top ~4 picks for mafia?

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