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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 24, 2017, 06:47:03 pm »
Sorry i've been absent, it's been a crazy couple of days for me. What's happening ?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 22, 2017, 03:41:58 am »To be fair - yes, you don't need to post a reason when you vote. I had one for Eevee but didn't post it. That's not scummy. It's the timing and the way you handled it. You intentionally did NOT vote immediately after being called out by Teproc, but did so in your first post upon returning. Like you didn't want to be obvious about it but realized he had called out an accurate scum meta for you.
I like this post.
Vote: WitherWeaver
Agreed.
Vote: WitherWeaver
RR is town.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 21, 2017, 03:52:08 pm »I'm going VLA for the next few days. Don't want to be on RR anymore so why not sheep him?
Vote: Datswan for spelling scum with a k.
Really ? You're going to leave a rvs vote before your VLA ?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 21, 2017, 01:39:07 pm »
RR's response was townie, and generally I think the wave of unexplained votes is townie too. Qvist's puzzlement at it also. Eevee's concern about good cases I also like, it's a bit of an unorthodox point, and one that makes sense for town!Eevee in particular I think.
Back to vote: gkrieg I think.
Back to vote: gkrieg I think.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 07:26:08 pm »Last time I checked ER had a really hard time committing to any vote especially D1.
TL;DR: check again.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 07:25:13 pm »
Alright, let's take a look at RR's last few games
M107, town: First vote at #67, his second post of the game. Votes again in his second burst of posts, and then again in his third.
M105, scum: Two votes in the whole day 1, the first RVS, the second literal minutes before deadline.
M103: Plenty of voting... I'd say town!RR's vote/post ratio is among the highest on f.ds here.
Don't feel like doing more work, I stand by my assertion.
M107, town: First vote at #67, his second post of the game. Votes again in his second burst of posts, and then again in his third.
M105, scum: Two votes in the whole day 1, the first RVS, the second literal minutes before deadline.
M103: Plenty of voting... I'd say town!RR's vote/post ratio is among the highest on f.ds here.
Don't feel like doing more work, I stand by my assertion.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 07:09:53 pm »
Specifically RR lurks harder as scum I'm pretty sure. I wouldn't expect town!RR to have many more posts than he does here, but I would expect him to have voted and made more of an impact.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 07:08:46 pm »The 8 (!!) people not voting need to vote. This game is stagnating, and we're now going for another round of theory talk re: e's plan (not saying it's necessarily bad, but it shouldn't prevent us from scumhunting).
Actually, I think we should lynch within the lurkers, so vote: RR.
Why do you want to lynch within the lurkers? And who do you consider to be lurkers?
Because I think the lurkers are more likely to be scum. They have less incentive to get the game going, which it really hasn't yet.
Arch (apparently there's a V/LA there and also Arch always lurks but still), Eevee, RR, IDPTG. Jimmmm kinda qualifies but he's voting at least.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 06:56:50 pm »
The 8 (!!) people not voting need to vote. This game is stagnating, and we're now going for another round of theory talk re: e's plan (not saying it's necessarily bad, but it shouldn't prevent us from scumhunting).
Actually, I think we should lynch within the lurkers, so vote: RR.
Actually, I think we should lynch within the lurkers, so vote: RR.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 06:08:56 am »Upon some much needed re reading I think I was wrongly blaming Gkrieg as skum for "not skum hunting". I still don't really like his case but tbh dude is contributing more than most.
unvote for now.
More town points for DatSwan.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 06:08:05 am »For the people stating that as a power, Poisoner is bad for town, also against vig's?
Yes, but also Poisoner is much worse for town than Vigs. The situation where vigs are useful are, like, counterclaims where you lynch one and if you get it wrong you get to vig the other, that kind of stuff. Poisoner is much less efficient at that.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 06:06:08 am »This seems to be going in circles on purpose.
vote: gkrieg13
Don't know that I agree with the reasoning (I think town is just as likely if not more than scum to get into arguments that go nowhere), but I think it's a townie one.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 06:04:03 am »Which doesn't say anything about teproc's alignment. Personally I think asking for specific claims is scummy.
(My request for all bid position 10,11,12,etc to claim doesn't count as specific)
Why is asking for a specific claim scummy ?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 20, 2017, 06:02:51 am »What was that Lalight train about? Seems very scummy. There was like no evidence yet on Lalight being scummy and it is even day 1 and there is already a train starting. I think I will keep an eye on Jimmmmm and Witherweaver.
I am not sure what the Poisoner claim is going to achieve. I was reading DatSwan's reasoning and it kinda makes sense though. I have to keep thinking about it for a bit.
Did anyone notice that many of us are named after famous philosophers? That can't be coincidence, that must be fate.
D1 is all about making mountains out of molehills. Taking small things and making cases out of them. We don't have much to go on, so even the littlest thing is significant: doing something vaguely scummy is enough to make you the scummiest player around.
More importantly: votes are how the game is played. It's how we create meaningful interactions, because suspicion doesn't matter, only votes have an actual consequence during the day. The main mission of day 1 is to create interactions that we can reread later with the knowledge of some flips helping interpret them. For that, people need to vote.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 19, 2017, 04:57:16 am »
iguana is town: yes it makes sense for a scum!Poisoner to claim, but he did it really, really fast. I mean it is renouncing a role that you spent your #1 slot on (I guess he could be lying about that if he's scum, but again that was quick thinking then), at least for the first few days. Don't think scum makes that call lightly, without seeing how most people feel about it: I was expecting people to come in and oppose the idea at some point.
WW is townie for being paranoid though, especially given him just having been scum and going for Poisoner.
Re: 2-Shot Redirector, I don't know about that. It's a much less clear case than Poisoner to me, because there's no public proof that the role was used or not used. I don't think I'm in favour of that one.
WW is townie for being paranoid though, especially given him just having been scum and going for Poisoner.
Re: 2-Shot Redirector, I don't know about that. It's a much less clear case than Poisoner to me, because there's no public proof that the role was used or not used. I don't think I'm in favour of that one.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 19, 2017, 04:48:15 am »Scummy on LaLight for now...
Not enough to vote for him though ?
vote: gkrieg
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 18, 2017, 05:38:04 pm »
Oh. Well ok then. Don't know that you needed to claim draft order but, well, it's done. Definitely don't think you should claim your number right now. So, no poisoning on N1 (I'm assuming you agree with this since you claimed), and we can reevaluate that in later days.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 18, 2017, 05:22:37 pm »Well it does narrow their claiming options though. Poisoner is likely to be high in the draft order, so claiming VT might not be that easy for them.
Well, there's really not a lot to lose for town because as I see it killing town is mostly negative utility. So yeah, i agree on this
I suppose the most practical way is to require everyone to claim whether or not they are a Poisoner. As should be relatively obvious, I am not a Poisoner.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 18, 2017, 05:04:59 pm »
Well it does narrow their claiming options though. Poisoner is likely to be high in the draft order, so claiming VT might not be that easy for them.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 18, 2017, 05:01:37 pm »Town again :/ i have alignments in lines: 5 games town 5 games scum and now I am town all the time
Why the sad face? If you are unhappy about it we can always just lynch you
Vote: LaLight
Oh i just like changes a lot. Not like I don't like being town, i like uh forgot the word. When it's different every time
vote: LaLight for empty posting. The thread is going to be hard enough to reread without that.
Thoughts on having a potential Poisoner claim ?
Also nice joining wagon when there's half of people who just empty posted is all
vote: Teproc
The post in question was not even RVS, and there was stuff to discuss at that point already (namely the Poisoner thing and e's claiming low draft positions thing).
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 18, 2017, 04:59:46 pm »Town again :/ i have alignments in lines: 5 games town 5 games scum and now I am town all the time
Why the sad face? If you are unhappy about it we can always just lynch you
Vote: LaLight
Oh i just like changes a lot. Not like I don't like being town, i like uh forgot the word. When it's different every time
vote: LaLight for empty posting. The thread is going to be hard enough to reread without that.
Thoughts on having a potential Poisoner claim ?
Why should they? Explain
So I'm worried that Poisoner is incredibly strong in scum's hands. So my thought is that if we build a consensus that a Poisoner should claim, and not poison on N1 at least, we put a potential scum Poisoner in a position where they can either
a) not claim and kill anyway, but then they'll have to fakeclaim when massclaim time comes
b) claim and not kill, which seems good to me.
The cost is that if the Poisoner is town, well he gets outed... but I think that's fine too. Poisoner is not a strong town role anyway.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 18, 2017, 04:53:04 pm »Town again :/ i have alignments in lines: 5 games town 5 games scum and now I am town all the time
Why the sad face? If you are unhappy about it we can always just lynch you
Vote: LaLight
Oh i just like changes a lot. Not like I don't like being town, i like uh forgot the word. When it's different every time
vote: LaLight for empty posting. The thread is going to be hard enough to reread without that.
Thoughts on having a potential Poisoner claim ?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1
« on: September 18, 2017, 04:33:48 pm »and, like, totally, NOT ON PENNY'S BOAT.
accidental additional ON?
Eevee did that already in the last game, so I'm assuming he's simply getting it wrong.
Scum may not have unique bids. Note that we discussed this possibility in the scum QT.
I didn't read that qt.
Really ? You should. It's interesting (TM).
I dont love draft claiming this time around, but I am in favour of a Poisoner (if one exists) claiming.
NOT PENNY'S BOAT
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M107: gandon bourdippa's adventures in the distant spacefuture (donezor)
« on: September 16, 2017, 06:34:57 am »
VT is the best PR anyway.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 108: LOST Mafia by Robz and Mcmc -- Day 1, Subs Still Welcome
« on: September 12, 2017, 01:36:09 pm »I guess I don't see how e could possibly have been proposing what Galz is suggesting, as either alignment, and the fact that Galz is suggesting that he thought that's what was happening is scummy. I can see how it is semantically ambiguous, but contextually it should have been rather clear.I don't think Galzria would is scummy for thinking that's what's happening, but I do find it odd that he would scumread e for it... it's just such an obviously bad idea, why would scum even bother proposing it?
That's more or less what I mean. Feels like Galz is pushing a bad case just to appear townie, and I think I remember his early M100 (I reread D1 of that a few days ago to get a feel for big games like this) being similar.