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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 06, 2018, 07:15:04 am »
Also hi theorel, thanks for replacing (and for having good reads, though I'm not entirely sold on Galz being town yet... I do agree that his view of the O/me/gkrieg thing is less unreasonable than I believed earlier... still wrong though), or on gkrieg for that matter. I do think mcmc is town though.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 06, 2018, 07:13:29 am »
Ok. Why would town!O target you specifically ?

Because Town!O thinks I’m scum and would be utterly convinced he’s right.

Had O expressed suspicion of you D1 or do you generally think town!O suspects you ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 06, 2018, 05:56:27 am »
Ok. Why would town!O target you specifically ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 06, 2018, 05:50:35 am »
vote: o

He def targets Tep a fair amount of the time.

Hm, I thought it also had a ridiculous percentage, but still.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 06, 2018, 05:49:02 am »
I think town!O blocks me 90-93% of the time.

You said earlier in this game (I'll dig it up in a second) the exact same thing with me instead of you. What are you doing this game ash ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 06, 2018, 05:48:12 am »
I was
I was trying to convince myself it was O.
It’s either Teproc and players x or maybe Teproc and O but I’m not voting anyone but Teproc today. Eevee go read stuff. You are on the nut low rn.

<b>vote:Teproc<\b>

Join me Town.
What makes you think (and be so sure) it’s teproc?
1) he has never mis read me before this game
2) his arguments with Galz seem forced
3) his interactions with O seemed forced

There’s more i guess, but honestly at this point (holidays understood and all) it is the lack of effort that is losing the game. Either O or Teproc are skum, maybe both. Whatever. My thoughts are if the majority is leaning O then if they are both not skum, it is most likely Teproc.



1. Demonstrably false. You were one of my strongest town reads in the first few days of Lost Mafia (O can attest to that), and I'm pretty sure I suspected you quite a bit in Time Managment at various points before we lynched scum.

2. Whatever.

3. This I'm curious about. How so ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:33:16 pm »
scum!O might lie about the misunderstanding of course, but if you believe he did misunderstand, then he's much more likely to be town. And again, playing dumb doesn't seem like a scum!O move to me.

It's not just about me tunneling gkrieg if O doesn't claim, it's about gkrieg being much more widely scumread, having a much scarier role and having refused to answer my second question. Scum!O sees that and definitely assumes he's safe if he doesn't claim, gkrieg gets lynched 80% of the time. He almost got lynched the day before, remember ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:29:48 pm »
I mean, my problem is that you're NOT a bad player, but the conclusions you're drawing here are not really thought out.

I get that everybody wants to accept that blindly shooting The series of events fell the way they did, but the fact is that it's FAR easier to accept if you assume there was some guidance to what happened.

Scum killing one Doctor and blocking another is an INCREDIBLY reasonable play. O not understanding ascetic is not alignment indicative, it's just O. And that's far more reasonable than assuming all the night actions resolved from an all-Town perspective. That sort of coincidence just doesn't happen.

You keep going back to that idea that the "all town" scenario is unlikely, and that's just patently untrue. It's literally two night actions taken by town that worked out unfortunatly. That's it. One town PR targeting another town PR targeting the kill target. Guessing faust is going to be killed on N1 is not exactly rocket science you know, especially with the possibility of him being a doctor and him having gather little suspicion day 1.

O misunderstanding ascetic IS alignment-indicative! scum!O discussed this with his partners and is therefore much less likely to have misunderstood it (because you need three people to misunderstand it).

Of course scum killing a doctor and blocking another is reasonable play, that was the whole premise of my claim. I don't think O is town because he roleblocked me, I think he's town because he claimed it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:23:38 pm »
Galz, what are your thoughts on Swan ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:22:52 pm »
Tep, this isn't that hard.

Scum!O choosing not to claim doesn't set up a forced mislynch scenario between town!Teproc and Town!Gkrieg. It does the opposite of what you're claiming. It forces YOU to claim "I know one of O or Gkrieg is lying so the lynch pool MUST be between them and me".

O claiming REMOVES that argument. It pulls him OUT of a potential forced lynch pool. Claiming is absolutely the correct move for him as scum.

No. If O didn't claim, it was going to be gkrieg or me because of gkrieg's refusal to answer my question initially. If you chose to ignore anything that was happening early D1, sure O is in the lynchpool, but that was not the reality of the game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:15:01 pm »
They also assume gkrieg is town, because they rely on me doing all this to know if he targeted me. Which means it's incredibly unlikely that O is scum, for reasons outlined above. So really there's no way lynching O makes any sense.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:12:06 pm »
Like, narratives that have me as scum assume that I'm willing to fakeclaim and involve a scumpartner in that fakeclaim to maybe get information on Oracle (while having no particular reason to think I would get that info, because even if I tracked, how would I be able to know I was redirected ?)... so you know.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:10:02 pm »
Oh right, it works if I'm scum, maybe ? I don't even think it does, because it changes it from scum v town to scum & scum v town, which does not seem like a great deal. Again though, there's very little coherence in any narrative proposed (or myseteriously kept secret because reasons) for why any scumteam involving me would have gone through this whole ordeal in the first place.

PPE: You really haven't. Even if you have, can you please repeat them. I'm very slow and stupid, you need to repeat things for me to understand them.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:07:14 pm »
Well, since you can't explain why that's wrong, I'm going to go ahead and assume it's right.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:03:18 pm »
Again, for people who are not Galz and Swan and don't have mysterious motives (a hint: it has to do with their alignment): it's very hard for O to be scum if gkrieg is not (because why would O claim to have roleblocked me when my claim would have made it me v gkrieg had he said "nope, didn't roleblock Teproc"), which makes him a pretty terrible lynch.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 06:32:39 pm »
I would strongly encourage people to consider voting DatSwan. Also, deadline is on Monday. We all know how weekends go, so I'd ask people to consider that, I don't particularly want to be in the same situation as day 1 come Monday night.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 06:30:30 pm »
Wait, what ? You're actually not sharing why you think I'm scum ?

That's hilarious actually. I guess that's one way to avoid discussing how poor your arguments are.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 04:53:13 pm »
I get the "don't argue with people who are scum" thing, it's a policy of mine as well... but not for stuff like this. This is not behavioral, this is basic PR/claiming stuff.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 04:13:03 pm »
Maybe that was unnecessarily agressive, sorry. I am curious how you make that work though (because it really doesn't).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 04:11:40 pm »
well I wasted a ton of time typing out a big old thing that just ended in me contradicting myself all over the place. somehow I find myself this early in the game fairly certain of a combo skum team pairing, but as no one seems willing to go for the other half with me for now I will switch to:

vote: O

Can you actually spell out how the Teproc!O combo makes sense?

Like our actions don't disprove it I guess but theres I don't get why you'd assume it either

I could indeed :)

Taking the Galz route of "I'm so much better than you I don't even need to use such base things as logic and arguments" I see.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:04:39 am »
ash, why is chairs town ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:04:17 am »
vote: Swan

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:03:41 am »
Actually, I think I want to lynch Swan more than Galz. I've been wrong about Galz before for somewhat similar reasons, but this is exactly the same Swan as in... whataver the game was where I replaced LL and promptly got lynched, but Swan and Skumpy won for the scumteam after that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 05:19:17 am »
On the question from someone about being the lynch with a specific hammerer, def open to it so long as it is to take out the hammerer (and not me) and I agree on the target.

If you had to pick a target from you "There’s def scum in {Galz - o - Robz - Mcmc - Teproc}, maybe two." list - who would it be?

This is scum figuring out who is lynchable, not town figuring out who's scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« on: January 05, 2018, 05:18:20 am »
That's a weak town list still alive. Hell, throw me in and it's still a weak town list still alive.

[..]

So my base assumption, based on the fact that this is classified as a normal game is that ALL of us aren't actually town.

This does not even come close to adding up. You can't say "this is underpowered town" AND "this is too much power for town to have in a normal game". I mean, duh. How do you justify that... I mean it's not even a leap of logic, it's just ignoring any notiong of logic at all.

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