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Game Reports / Nice Ghost Ship vs. Philosopher's Stone game
« on: September 12, 2012, 10:33:00 pm »
I'm posting this mainly because of the asymmetry.  My opponent (dghunter79) notices Herbalist/Philosopher's Stone right away and opens Potion/Herbalist.  I don't notice it, and open Silver/Silver in hopes of grabbing an early $5 for Ghost Ship... and of course I miss the $5 until T5.

I think a lot of the determiner of the outcome was luck (dghunter felt he made some mistakes in post-game discussion, but I'm not certain the GM or Cartographer were really mistakes), but I think this highlighted both the Herb/PS strategy and the importance of attacking early and often.

Edit:  Oh yeah, the game!

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201209/12/game-20120912-191536-cf53ed49.html

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: What do you think will happen first?
« on: September 12, 2012, 02:16:15 pm »
It's a pars pro toto if you will.

I'd never heard synecdoche called that.  Interesting.

That said, it's really weird to have a word for "monkeys and apes" other than the biological term "simians."  That said, Americans generally can't distinguish among monkeys and apes, and a significant number of Americans believe they're unrelated. [sigh]
Well, the reason we do it is not because we have a word for both. We just have a word for monkeys that we use for the whole group, probably because the words look alike anyway. Monkeys (EN) = Apen (NL), Apes (EN) = Mensapen (NL), you can see the confusion.

Aaaah, yeah, if that's the way the words translate, that makes sense then.  (Oddly Google translate doesn't give those translations going from EN to NL, but does give them the other way.  What the hell, Google translate?  We used to be friends.)  And alas, etymology doesn't follow evolution.

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And that's what "pars pro toto" means: A part for the whole.

Yes, I got that; I just had never heard the term.  I've just always called it "synecdoche," though that can refer to either way.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Am I in the correct place?
« on: September 12, 2012, 12:54:09 pm »
Yeah.  Multiplayer testing is hard to do unless you set up a meeting time beforehand.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: What do you think will happen first?
« on: September 12, 2012, 12:49:19 pm »
It's a pars pro toto if you will.

I'd never heard synecdoche called that.  Interesting.

That said, it's really weird to have a word for "monkeys and apes" other than the biological term "simians."  That said, Americans generally can't distinguish among monkeys and apes, and a significant number of Americans believe they're unrelated. [sigh]

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Zaps
« on: September 12, 2012, 12:01:10 am »
It saddens me that this is the only way (that we know of) to get the promo cards.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Pronunciations and plurals
« on: September 11, 2012, 01:15:47 pm »
Compare dominion. That comes from Latin too, but we don't say "two dominium." And it's two condominiums, not two condominia. That's just the way it goes.

Except that Dominion itself has, as you suggest, been Anglicized (or more properly Francophonized [note: probably not a real word]).  The -on ending definitely isn't Latin.

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Style guides will tell you to just slap -s or -es onto proper nouns to get the plural. It really is Ruinses. Filthy rotten ruinses.

Except that the names of the cards aren't necessarily proper nouns, are they?  The plural of "ruins" in the sense being used on the cards certainly is "ruins."

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In practice Magic players routinely talk about having Cities of Brass and Birds of Paradise and so forth, adopting the plural that the thing would have if only it weren't proper.

I think most people would adopt that; the pluralization obviously goes on the noun, proper or not.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Zaps
« on: September 11, 2012, 01:01:37 pm »
Why has no one talked about Dominion base Act 2, where the first opponent has 3 provinces at the start and you have 3 curses. I did gardens and came 1 point from winning the first time and never got close again. That is just a cruel way to have an adventure game.

I mentioned it in the other thread discussing adventure mode.  It's a bit ridiculous; it's probably theoretically beatable (with a lot of luck), but still ridiculous.  Heck, if they just gave the bot a 20-point handicap without disturbing the number of Provinces in the supply, that would be annoying but at least doable against most of the bots.  But that 20-point lead plus only five Provinces in the stack is a killer.

I'm assuming that for Act 3, you will start with a deck of 10 Curses, and the AI will start with 5 Provinces and 5 Golds.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: My first attempt at a fan card
« on: September 11, 2012, 02:05:46 am »
I'd cost this at $2, since it's designed not to crazy-combo with Goons or Gardens.  However, I would make it some integer number of Buys (perhaps +3 or +4) as no other cards have an infinity symbol on them...

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Game Reports / What's worse than drawing both openers on Turn 5?
« on: September 10, 2012, 11:58:22 pm »
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201209/10/game-20120910-205205-3e5a1ffc.html

Nice stuff in the BM deck, so I opened Chapel/BM, as P2:

— danimal111's turn 4 —
danimal111 plays a Rabble.
... (danimal111 reshuffles.)
... drawing 3 cards.
... (Kirian reshuffles.)
... Kirian draws and reveals a Chapel, a Black Market, and an Estate.
... Kirian discards a Chapel and a Black Market.
... Kirian puts an Estate back on the deck.

...I get rid of an Estate and two Coppers on T6, then...

— danimal111's turn 7 —
danimal111 plays a Rabble.
... (danimal111 reshuffles.)
... drawing 3 cards.
... Kirian draws and reveals a Chapel and 2 Coppers.
... Kirian discards a Chapel and 2 Coppers.
danimal111 plays 3 Golds and 3 Coppers.
danimal111 buys a Platinum.

I nearly came back from it, though only thanks to a Witch from the BM deck.  Without that I had zero chance; with it, my chances were slim.

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Kirian, I was talking about Treasures.

Oooooooh never mind then!  Though outside of this set, treasures are split equally between $5s and non-$5s.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Pronounciations and plurals
« on: September 10, 2012, 06:17:08 pm »
Hovel:  I've always heard the first, the second is probably common in Northeastern US dialects, and possibly Brit English.

<a href="http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~dinkin/">As a sociolinguist</a>, I'm interested in why you have this impression. Why those dialects in particular? (OED gives both pronunciations equal status, as do the American Heritage Dictionary and Merriam-Webster.)

That longer "ah" tends to creep into words in Boston, NY, and Maine accents in places that use the schwa or a shorter "a."  Less true for British English, I suspect, but the various British dialects have much more in common with the New England area than the rest of the US.

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Wharf is only pronounced "Hwarf" if you want to sound obnoxious or like Stewie Griffin.

...Or, you know, if you're one of the millions of other English speakers who distinguish between witch and weather on the one hand and which and whether on the other.

I have never heard anyone do this.  According to Wiki (again with a grain of salt, but they cite Labov), this is basically confined to Scotland, Ireland, and parts of the Southeast US (which retain some other characteristics of the Scottish dialect.)  Everyone else doing it is doing so to sound pretentious.

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Could we avoid a $5 cost? They are the easiest to do and we already have so many in the game and 2 in the fan set. I will favor 2,3,4,6, and 7 cost ones that aren't exclusively for BM. I have no illusions of winning this one, so I will offer the advice before the submissions.

Our current distribution:

$2: 1
$3: 2
$4: 4
$5: 6
$6: 1
+P: 3

Full-size sets have 7-9 $5 cards in them except base--including the "cheap cards" set, Seaside--and we're certainly getting close to 25 cards.  We know there will be at least one more $2 card.  Based on other sets' distributions, there's really room for 2 more each of $3s, $4s, and $5s.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Pronounciations and plurals
« on: September 10, 2012, 04:54:33 pm »
According to Wiki, so take with a grain of salt, the Hebrew pronunciation is GOH-lem, rhymes with "Roll 'Em."  They invented the concept, so I'd go with that.

Hovel:  I've always heard the first, the second is probably common in Northeastern US dialects, and possibly Brit English.

Wharf is only pronounced "Hwarf" if you want to sound obnoxious or like Stewie Griffin.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Idea for non-terminal drawer
« on: September 10, 2012, 03:37:51 pm »
Perhaps make it a forced reveal instead of a discard, make it a cantrip, and drop the price.  "All players reveal a card at the same time" or something like.  This removes the attack portion, and it's very weak in the early game or with a Curser, but gets stronger later in the game.

Or make it an attack, make the discard mandatory--"each other player with more than four card in hand discards a card"--and only give +1 card for the "no discard" portion.

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Embargo, Haven, Moat, Native Village, and others all have effects that no other card does.

(Well, Lighthouse has the same effect as Moat—but it's also a $2 card.)

Kiiiind of.  The timing is different, and the knowledge opponents have of whether or not you can block the attack is different.

As is the ability to choose whether you block the attack.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Dominion Reminders
« on: September 10, 2012, 02:28:35 pm »
Don't accidentally end the game on piles. Also don't accidentally put your opponent in a position to end the game on piles. Right before your megaturn goes off.

Pay special attention to the Curse pile. The Curse pile is a pile. It counts.

As does the Ruins pile, now!

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Dominion FAQ / Re: FAQ Feedback
« on: September 10, 2012, 08:56:33 am »
a couple of recent FAQ additions/edits:
  • added a couple of names to the Who's Who? section.
  • moved Isodom 5 and the BGG Store tournament out of the current tournaments section. updated the listing of past online tournaments so it is pretty comprehensive now. formats, dates, winners, and links to all relevant threads.
  • added images, video links, and a link to the leaderboard archives to the Isotropic section.

also, i forgot that i technically have mod powers for the dominion lingo dictionary.  there have been a couple of recent requests, but it is still Kirian's thread. i will give him a few days to make some additions and if not i will add them in later.

Note that IsoDom 5 isn't completely over; there will be three winners in three brackets.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Wikipedia needs a reference
« on: September 09, 2012, 05:23:29 pm »
Or you know, just get a sane policy on citation?


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Finally got to play with the Base Cards IRL today and I have to say they were worth it for the artwork alone.

Yah, the artwork is really sweet. It beats playing with the old treasures and victories.

I will never understand why people think artwork matters to a game.  Oh, I know it does; I know it affects sales and everything.  But my brain doesn't process it.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Riddle I came up, but have no solution of
« on: September 08, 2012, 06:09:48 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher%E2%80%93Yates_shuffle

That's the best you're going to do.  This is nearly functionally equivalent to noon's solution.  If you're OK with some permutations not being possible, faster solutions are possible, but not fully random.

And as far as wero's first reply, you don't need to write the program yourself:  http://www.random.org/lists/

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General Discussion / Re: A joke thread
« on: September 08, 2012, 01:27:45 pm »
Three statisticians decide they're going to try out hunting.  They get themselves a shotgun each, and hire a guide to help them with deer hunting.

On their first day, after only about 2 hours, the guide spots a ten-point buck among the trees.  One of them takes a shot that hits a tree off to the left, leaving a mark on the tree and spooking the buck.  The next aims quickly while the buck is still in sight, but his shot slams into a tree off to the right.

The third statistician jumps in the sir and shouts "We got him!"

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General Discussion / Re: A joke thread
« on: September 07, 2012, 02:37:04 pm »
What's the difference between a chemist and a normal person?

A normal person washes his hands after going to the bathroom.  A chemist washes his hands before going to the bathroom.
I've been a chemist for 35 years and have only heard this one other time. It is both funny and very true.

Really?  Wow, it seems like this is so old... I've heard it (and told it) so many times!

Do you have any good lawyer jokes?

No, but I have some bad lawyer jokes!

What do you call a hundred lawyers buried up to their necks in sand?

Not enough sand.

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I'd tell another chemistry joke here, but all the good ones argon.  Oh wait:

What's a pirate's favorite amino acid?  Arrrrginine!

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Nombo of the day: Rats / most things
« on: September 07, 2012, 01:07:05 pm »
Ratses.

Ratii !
Ratipeople?

Whatever, you know what I mean.

/probably not obscure to Scissors, possibly to others.

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General Discussion / Re: A joke thread
« on: September 07, 2012, 01:05:42 pm »
What's the difference between a chemist and a normal person?

A normal person washes his hands after going to the bathroom.  A chemist washes his hands before going to the bathroom. 

That's not a joke, though.  That actually happens all the time.

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General Discussion / Re: Anti-Joke Thread
« on: September 07, 2012, 01:03:53 pm »
How many people does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Usually one.

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