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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 11:14:32 pm »

To galz: I think the reason I did that gkrieg/pps thing was to get somewhere. There was a disagreement and I was taking a side, and sort of encouraging other people to take sides. Once something more interesting happened (in this case TWM being scummy and then getting scummier when people started accusing him) I forgot about it and moved on.

To O: talking about prs D1 is kind of pointless, unless you're a. an IC or b. about to be lynched and are a PR. And PR hunting is like scumhunting. You're not trying to get scum to claim, but you're looking for them to slip up and give up a hint at their role.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 04:08:35 pm »

The problem with specifically lynching anti-town is it's such a good excuse for scum. And a scum jumping on one of those wagons is nearly identical to a town jumping on one. So it doesn't matter if the anti-town player was scum or not, we get nothing alignment-indicative from the interactions.

I get it. It just doesn't concern me as much as the prospect of keeping an anti-town player around for that reason. They never get night-killed, they get pseudo lynch immunity for the reasons you're giving, and they're still alive in the endgame when you need strong town players.

I'm not even sure I'm really talking about RR specifically anymore, because I don't know RR. I am just giving my outlook. I just have no patience for cute anti-town nonsense, whether it's to cultivate an unpredictable meta or whatever else.

I was talking mainly about D1. Also with RR specifically, lynching him D1 is almost never useful. He's pretty easy to spot as scum later on.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 03:59:46 pm »

The problem with specifically lynching anti-town is it's such a good excuse for scum. And a scum jumping on one of those wagons is nearly identical to a town jumping on one. So it doesn't matter if the anti-town player was scum or not, we get nothing alignment-indicative from the interactions.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 03:49:56 pm »

We have to try to lynch scum D1.  The fact that we don't often catch scum D1 doesn't matter.  A wagon that is supposed to be on scum is much easier to find scum on than a wagon on an anti-town townie.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 01:31:34 pm »

Wine Merchant, how many games have you played?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 01:11:22 pm »

Also, I had previously said I would be basing my reads off of something superficial. That's done.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 01:09:21 pm »

Three votes on me. Don't know why.

Because you're scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 01:07:13 pm »

vote: The_Wine_Merchant

Serious vote.

Is anybody else no longer able to automatically bold on mobile?

Not OMGUSing. But when people have to specify if it is a serious vote, that is suspicious. Why would anyone think this wasn't a serious vote?

RVS. Or if they're scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:57:16 pm »

what even is day 1 "scumhunting"

is it you all pretending that him saying "i only need 6" reads is a scumslip because there could be a 5-2 split instead of 5-1?

because that's some unhelpful crap that runs in circles.

I guess I'm just not seeing this amazingly productive "scumhunting" yall keep talking about that somehow more effective than the interesting role/draft discussions.

Sorry, I'm just overly attentive for scumslips D1.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:55:54 pm »

Hey so I highest doubt we are going to lynch someone based on the following:

1) the roles they think are strong
2) the roles they think have or haven't been taken
3) the possibility that they are high or low in the draft order (okay I can see a little reason to lynch here but it would be more of a claim draft position instead of role when you hit l-1/2 ect.)

So we should stop talking about those things and scumhunt.

Ppe:5

I think we were done talking about those things until you brought it up again.

Are you kidding me...

I don't think RR chooses jailkeeper as town.

That's 7 posts befor mine.

I was saying that because it was one of the only ways he could be sure of the number of scum as town. But I was wrong even then. So nevermind.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:53:00 pm »

Hey so I highest doubt we are going to lynch someone based on the following:

1) the roles they think are strong
2) the roles they think have or haven't been taken
3) the possibility that they are high or low in the draft order (okay I can see a little reason to lynch here but it would be more of a claim draft position instead of role when you hit l-1/2 ect.)

So we should stop talking about those things and scumhunt.

Ppe:5

I think we were done talking about those things until you brought it up again.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:51:33 pm »

I don't think RR chooses jailkeeper as town.

What the hell?

It's possible he didn't read the setup. But he's claiming there are only 6 scum.

And I didn't even think about converting SK to VT. So there's no way he can know there are 6 scum without being scum himself.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:48:18 pm »

I don't think RR chooses jailkeeper as town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:47:15 pm »

I don't think I'm gonna read all this. I also think that posting a whole bunch is very scummy.

FOS: RR. Scum Is less likely to want to read the whole thread because they have fewer real reads to make.

I only need to make 6 reads.

You may have just claimed something.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:46:26 pm »

Innocent Child? We don't appear to have one? How worried should we be about mafia with a 2-shot vig?

vote: twm

Sheep vote:twm

We just talked about this.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:41:36 pm »

I don't think I'm gonna read all this. I also think that posting a whole bunch is very scummy.

FOS: RR. Scum Is less likely to want to read the whole thread because they have fewer real reads to make.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:40:19 pm »

I reserve the right to vote for ash at any time. Right now you're safe though.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:35:57 pm »

massclaim is boring. bad. donezo.

Should we try and suss out the Investigation Immune/2Shot vig?

Should we discuss the likely distribution of roles among more/less experienced players?

I think that would be less useful than it's worth. Also an easy way for scum to seem towny without actually doing anything.

I disagree on both fronts. Massclaims are bad, but overall scum will already be able to suss out a lot of information that town won't: the mafia team has 5 people with different survey results to compare and contrast drafting roles for. Town can try and bridge that information gap. For the second point Scum are likely to try and avoid implanting their own information, which can lead to slips. Why would RVS banter have a better rate of scum not seeming towny. I just don't get it.

It's very easy for scum to talk about things that happened before the game started without seeming scummy, as they weren't scum then.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:33:40 pm »

massclaim is boring. bad. donezo.

Should we try and suss out the Investigation Immune/2Shot vig?

Should we discuss the likely distribution of roles among more/less experienced players?

There is a chance we don't have either of these roles.

A very small chance.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:32:09 pm »

vote: The_Wine_Merchant

Serious vote.

Is anybody else no longer able to automatically bold on mobile?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:27:56 pm »

massclaim is boring. bad. donezo.

Should we try and suss out the Investigation Immune/2Shot vig?

Should we discuss the likely distribution of roles among more/less experienced players?

I think that would be less useful than it's worth. Also an easy way for scum to seem towny without actually doing anything.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:26:14 pm »

We could claim our flavor names.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:25:46 pm »

Good God people. You don't need to take a stand on whether we are going to mass claim. We aren't. You don't need to chime in on it. What we should talk about is what other roles out there might be worth claiming in isolation now or later and how we can best use them to our advantage. Or maybe we shouldn't talk about that. But we can at least talk about talking about it.

Seriously no one has ever suggested mass claiming (except PPS I guess off-offhandedly) so it shouldn't warrant dozens of posts about it and no one should be getting towncred for being against it.

These roles should claim immediately: investigation immune, JOAT, godfatherer, Ninja, convert SK to werewolf.

You are so, oh so, very helpful. If I were a vig. I would vig you.

Well I wanted to say nobody should claim, but I realized those ones would be very helpful.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:23:32 pm »

Good God people. You don't need to take a stand on whether we are going to mass claim. We aren't. You don't need to chime in on it. What we should talk about is what other roles out there might be worth claiming in isolation now or later and how we can best use them to our advantage. Or maybe we shouldn't talk about that. But we can at least talk about talking about it.

Seriously no one has ever suggested mass claiming (except PPS I guess off-offhandedly) so it shouldn't warrant dozens of posts about it and no one should be getting towncred for being against it.

These roles should claim immediately: investigation immune, JOAT, godfatherer, Ninja, convert SK to werewolf.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 100: Forum All-Stars -- DAY 1

« on: May 16, 2017, 12:17:11 pm »

Yeah, mass claim this early is always bad in a well-balanced game.

Do we think that alignments are based on draft numbers as well?