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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 10:40:22 pm »
I think he means when you called him a jerk.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Small World (Sign-ups, 1/5)
« on: January 05, 2013, 09:52:21 pm »
/in dibs Flying Sorcerers.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 09:46:38 pm »
I voted for Eevee to see how he would respond to the pressure, and maybe someone who's better at meta arguments than I am can weigh in as well, but I haven't seen anything all that scummy about his response. He's responded to several points as necessary but hasn't focussed too much on his defense (I'm thinking of Lekkit in Major Arcana II), and has continued to look at cases on other people. So while I'm certainly not giving Eevee the all-clear, I'm willing to Unvote.
However, I would like to hear some thoughts on this:
This reeks of the Robz "yes I can see why you think that's scummy" strategy, which could come from Town or scum. Anyone who knows Eevee better than I do, is Town Eevee likely to say something like this?
However, I would like to hear some thoughts on this:
I don't think that warrants HIGH suspicion, but the logic it obviously sound. I would be my biggest scum read as well because of this.
This reeks of the Robz "yes I can see why you think that's scummy" strategy, which could come from Town or scum. Anyone who knows Eevee better than I do, is Town Eevee likely to say something like this?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 09:23:27 pm »
I think I should put in my (possible) last word on the contradiction case. I have to admit that it's not nearly as strong as I thought it was. If as Eevee says, he wouldn't have wanted to get unfair town cred, then being here before joth would have put him in a very awkward position, since saying "I'm not going to answer that because I shouldn't get the Town cred" might make it seem like he didn't know the answer. His saying that things would have been worse if he had been given the chance to do this seems like it could fit. I'm not really sure anymore how I feel about Eevee, going to have to re-read him again.
Galz, you said a couple of times that my case on Eevee had merit. What are your thoughts now?
Galz, you said a couple of times that my case on Eevee had merit. What are your thoughts now?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 05:33:32 pm »Jimm taking this out of context is ridiculous, I guess its my mistake for not going over it enough myself, but really I had strong scum feeling toward someone because of an out of context exaggeration. This just seems like a very anti town play, there is no reason for town!jimm to start a scumhunt by tricking people.
What's ridiculous about taking something out of context, immediately specifically saying you're taking it out of context, and then in the next post dealing with the whole post? If someone else pointed out that I took it out of context sure, but I obviously wasn't trying to trick you with it. I was genuinely taking it as "It's bad that I didn't get a chance to clear myself", and when I was quoting it I realised that's not what it meant, so I made a note of that and came back to it later. As I'm sure you can understand, I didn't want there to be something that made my case fall apart, and although it isn't completely refuted (he did seem to say if he could have cleared himself he would have, even though that would have been unfortunate, and then later said he wouldn't), I'm a lot less convinced than I was before (which was like 50%).
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 12:28:52 pm »
Vote Count 1.2
Galzria (1): Robz
Eevee (1): Cuzz, Ashersky, Robz888,
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch
Deadline is January 18 at 7:10 p.m., forum time.
This votecount was built from 1.1. I've not listed the people not voting, in case there was a reason for Joth's not doing so (and to give Jimmm something else to mouth off about.
Well okay then. I assume that crack was about my calling you Slowbro, and unrelated to you omitting my vote. I think you'll find that I am also voting for Eevee as of #132. Also, Cuzz + ash + Robz = 3 != 1 (although should be 4 if the other three are right).
</mouthing off>
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 12:06:57 pm »
Standing by.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 12:05:25 pm »Yeah, that reasoning doesn't sound townie at all. You can breadcrumb a fakeclaim just as easily as a real one.
Of course, my other intention was to make sure I'm allowed to claim before being lynched (I have been lynched before while I was away, albeit in a blitz game when it was not unexpected). We can discuss it further if and when have to claim.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:52:20 am »Speaking of Slowbro's:
Helpful Mafia hint: Don't make the mod look bad.
You've been warned.
Wow, the CSI: Miami song just went off in my head.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:46:32 am »
Hey we have another mod, acknowledging the gamestart after over 150 posts. There's a Slowbro meme there somewhere.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:35:55 am »His caution against lynching him when he didn't have a single vote on him rad extremely scummy to me.
If/when the time came, I just wanted something to refer back to so that my claim wouldn't look like it came out of left field.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia Game Index
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:31:35 am »
I guess I'm probably on the borderline between new and not new. I'll be happy to make up the numbers, but will gladly surrender my spot to anyone newer than me.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZMIX - Veterans Go Flavorless (Mafia wins flawlessly)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:28:27 am »
Ha ha. We can call you Steevee. Ha ha.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:23:34 am »To yuma, I was making a jokae albeit a bad one about liopoil
It made me lali (laugh a little inside).
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:22:35 am »mcmc (didn't like that he was suspicious of lio because lio was new and when mcmc was new he was scum--or was that a joke?--other than that not much there)
It was such a ridiculous thing to say it can't possibly not have been a joke, right?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:20:15 am »
Now, as promised, a further look at this quote:
Eevee is saying here that it's meh (ie unfortunate) from a game point of view that Dsell gets Town cred for this, and is also saying that it would have been unfortunate from a game point of view if he had been able to clear his name before joth stepped in. I initially read this as "I wish I had a chance to clear my name", so the fact that he actually means "It's good that I didn't get to clear my name" casts a little more doubt on my case. However, he's still saying that he would have cleared his name. And despite his saying this:
it's 4 Eevee posts and 1 hour and 46 minutes (I failed at counting in my previous post) before Eevee finally says that he actually wouldn't've answered.
No one comment on the Eevee situation until we've heard his response. Although Joth gave him the out now (justly, I agree). Still, he should respond before we talk about it.What do you want me to say? I'm station-aligned. Kind of meh Dsell became almost obvtown because of something like this, but could be worse - I could have had time to answer and clear myself before Joth stepped in (well handled btw). Me claiming town was obviously just the running joke from blitz, also I didn't even remember what the exact wording was, not like I read my pm's that carefully. I still don't know what's my flavor name for example (because I've never seen any star trek so the name wouldn't mean anything to me).
Eevee is saying here that it's meh (ie unfortunate) from a game point of view that Dsell gets Town cred for this, and is also saying that it would have been unfortunate from a game point of view if he had been able to clear his name before joth stepped in. I initially read this as "I wish I had a chance to clear my name", so the fact that he actually means "It's good that I didn't get to clear my name" casts a little more doubt on my case. However, he's still saying that he would have cleared his name. And despite his saying this:
I just realized I probably wouldn't have answered the question either way after hitting send, and posted that.
it's 4 Eevee posts and 1 hour and 46 minutes (I failed at counting in my previous post) before Eevee finally says that he actually wouldn't've answered.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:08:35 am »
Okay, here's my actual contradiction case, as opposed to just pointing it out:
Imagine these three scenarios:
-Town Eevee A sees Dsell's #25 and thinks "Oh yeah, that's right, we're Station or something. Well at least I can clear myself by checking my PM and saying that." He then almost immediately sees joth's #29, and is disappointed, leading him to say this:
-Town Eevee B sees Dsell's #25 and thinks "Well that would not be a great way to get Town cred, hopefully joth steps in." He then almost immediately sees joth's #29, and is relieved that he doesn't have to choose between giving some scummy-looking non-answer, or gaining some undeserved Town cred, leading him to say:
The point here is that Town Eevee knows if he's A or B when he reads #25, and he knows if he's disappointed or relieved when he reads #29.
-Scum Eevee sees Dsell's #25 and thinks "Uh oh how am I going to get out of this?" but then sees joth's #29 and thinks "whew well that was close, now all I have to say is that I would have said it and they won't know one way or another." He then has some time to think about the situation, and his meta, and how he would react as Town (because let's face it, we all think more about ourselves when we're scum). Nearly 3 hours later, he has come to the conclusion that Town Eevee is a standup guy who wouldn't try to take unwarranted Town cred and so he lets us know how sportsmanly Town Eevee really is. Unfortunately he's been so caught up in his thoughts of what he would do that he forgets what he has done, that is said that he would have cleared his name and taken the Town cred. So he ends up contradicting himself.
Now, I'm not saying I know 100% that Eevee is scum. I'll gladly listen to an argument for Town Eevee C who isn't quite sure how he would have reacted. But I certainly think it's the best day 1 case I've ever made.
Imagine these three scenarios:
-Town Eevee A sees Dsell's #25 and thinks "Oh yeah, that's right, we're Station or something. Well at least I can clear myself by checking my PM and saying that." He then almost immediately sees joth's #29, and is disappointed, leading him to say this:
I could have had time to answer and clear myself before Joth stepped in(I'll acknowledge that that was taken slightly out of context, I'll get back to that)
-Town Eevee B sees Dsell's #25 and thinks "Well that would not be a great way to get Town cred, hopefully joth steps in." He then almost immediately sees joth's #29, and is relieved that he doesn't have to choose between giving some scummy-looking non-answer, or gaining some undeserved Town cred, leading him to say:
Fwiw, even if I got here before Joth, I wouldnt have answered because it would have felt like a very unfair way to gain a lot of town cred.
The point here is that Town Eevee knows if he's A or B when he reads #25, and he knows if he's disappointed or relieved when he reads #29.
-Scum Eevee sees Dsell's #25 and thinks "Uh oh how am I going to get out of this?" but then sees joth's #29 and thinks "whew well that was close, now all I have to say is that I would have said it and they won't know one way or another." He then has some time to think about the situation, and his meta, and how he would react as Town (because let's face it, we all think more about ourselves when we're scum). Nearly 3 hours later, he has come to the conclusion that Town Eevee is a standup guy who wouldn't try to take unwarranted Town cred and so he lets us know how sportsmanly Town Eevee really is. Unfortunately he's been so caught up in his thoughts of what he would do that he forgets what he has done, that is said that he would have cleared his name and taken the Town cred. So he ends up contradicting himself.
Now, I'm not saying I know 100% that Eevee is scum. I'll gladly listen to an argument for Town Eevee C who isn't quite sure how he would have reacted. But I certainly think it's the best day 1 case I've ever made.
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Rules Questions / Re: Moat - Can it block multible attacks from same player?
« on: January 05, 2013, 10:45:31 am »Uhm, Swindler with Estates gone?So you could reveal Secret Chamber, draw Moat off the top of your deck, put some cards back, reveal Moat, reveal Secret Chamber again and put Moat back.
I wonder if anyone who's cited this example has ever had both a Moat and a Secret Chamber in their deck at the same time?
Log or it didn't happen. I just mean it's very commonly referred to when talking about revealing multiple Reactions, but anyone who knows enough about Dominion to know about this edge case is very unlikely to ever actually do it.
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Rules Questions / Re: Moat - Can it block multible attacks from same player?
« on: January 05, 2013, 03:34:07 am »So you could reveal Secret Chamber, draw Moat off the top of your deck, put some cards back, reveal Moat, reveal Secret Chamber again and put Moat back.
I wonder if anyone who's cited this example has ever had both a Moat and a Secret Chamber in their deck at the same time?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 03:03:36 am »
I'm going out now, so I'm going to Vote: Eevee to watch how he tries to get himself out of it.
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Forum Games / Re: MMMMMMMM II - A series of Anachronistic events, OR, Revenge of the Ozle
« on: January 05, 2013, 02:23:25 am »
Sure, why not? /in
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 02:19:24 am »
Oh and I meant to say, "...himself, and ash seems to agree."
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 02:18:36 am »
Okay, unless one of you actually has a valid case on the other, I feel like this bickering is a bit of a derailment. shraeye, raerae (and anyone else), the biggest problem I have with Eevee at this point is his contradicting himself. What do you think about that?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 01:25:37 am »
Yeah ash, you haven't really contributed anything other than cop/doctor-related theory and some reads without reason. Why do you find Eevee scummy? More importantly (since your answer to the first question will likely be similar to what has already been said), why do you find theorel scummy?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 01:13:20 am »It's been less than five hours! hmmmm.... so, since it's bad if Jimmmm is in the end, hated, and station, then we should be more inclined to lynch him. He could still be scum. we'd also be able to get him to claim, although who knows if that helps scum or station more... I'm not saying we should lynch him, but he is the least risky person to lynch because the consequence of a mislynch is not at bad.
Why do you want me to claim? If it was good for me to claim day 1, I would have done so already, or would do so of my own accord. Don't be pushing for claims day 1, if a wagon starts on me then hopefully it's because people think I'm scum, NOT because you want me to claim. Also, can you explain what you mean when you say I'm the least risky person to lynch?
Settle, Jimmmmm. Guy is new to forums and you crazy cats. Also, everybody else, I haven't played with Jimmmmm enough to know if this sounds overly snappy for him or not. Chime in? Not saying he should claim and not saying he shouldn't, just wondering about his response.
Yeah that reads a lot snappier than I meant. I was actually really surprised to see you telling me to settle, until I re-read my post, and you have a point. I just don't think you should vote for me in order to force me to claim. Vote for me if you think I'm scum, and we'll go from there. I actually don't think it's good for Town for us to discuss this (that is, my request not to lynch me before giving me a chance to claim) any further, and I was hoping not to have to claim until at least day 2 or 3.