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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 08:41:51 pm »
Or at least I'm at his throat and he is acting like he's got the worst scum partner in the world.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 08:38:34 pm »Maybe faust and iguana are partners?
That’s the scenario where planting the idea of scum investigating scum really pays off for him, because he’s introduced real doubt about which one of them to exile and created a situation where even if we exile iguana and he’s scum, e! isn’t an IC. That’s a pretty great beat case scenario for scum with a caught partner, especially when you know there are two other ICs already that it’s too late to do anything about.
-.-
faust is not my partner. I don't have partners. You townread me, until it mattered it seems.
For the record, your idea is dumb. This is not how faust and I play together as scum at all. I literally linked to a game like that and we are always at each other's throats the whole game.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 08:35:44 pm »It seems that the tides are turning against me. I will try to respond to everyone individually later today but for now maybe consider this?
Is it possible you are all underestimating the bravado of the guy who says he underestimates the danger he's in? And just how good of a position scum is in after they misexile me?
Given that all my allies seem to be abandoning me, doesn't it seem likely that the one without allies is also the one without partners?
If your partners are good it doesn’t really behoove them to defend you here. I would not expect cop-caught scum to have partners defending. And if they did, they’d be doing it the way faust is, by throwing suspicion on the cop.
I just don't think this is true. There are enough people having a hard time with this decision that we can now say some townies are having a hard time with this decision. So e's partners just need to pretend like they are figuring it out and they can vote however they like. Hence, early on people voted 2.7, and now lo and behold people have changed their minds and it's actually Iguana they think is scum.
I would be looking for scum in the one guy who has been voting me this whole time and one other person who is trying to make a big show about changing their mind.
Good luck getting it right without me, I guess.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 08:31:37 pm »I mean IFFFF E! is lying, then it ends up 2v3 two days from now in a best case scenario for skum.
Today exile II
Tonight Skum kills mason 1
Tomorrow Exile E!
That night skum kills mason 2.
That leaves [Swowl, Faust, Joth, Math, Jimmm] with 2 skum in it.
We then have to exile. And we have to be right. Then skum shoots, assuming we are still playing, and it is 1v2. final day.
OTOH if it went the other way and we were to exile E! (in this case they flipping skum) that would mean there are 3 ICs in the game (masonsX2 + E!). We exile E!, thats 8. skum would kill one of them, then we would have 2v5. Lets just say town exile that day becaues that is what they would plan for, now we are at 2v4. Then they kill another IC at night. We wake up in two days from now 2v3.
Say we find skum that day, cool cool cool. Still 2v1.
All of it ends up at the same place. Why does skum E! doe this here?
Vote: Iguana
Are you EFFING kidding?
You lay out two scenarios here and you call them equal, except they are TOTALLY NOT EQUAL!
In scenario one, we misexile iguana ---> one town exile, and now we are at LyLo suddenly.
In scenario two, you add SOME RANDOM MISEXILE into the equation such that the result is we end up in the same place!
That is not a fair assessment at all! In scenario 1, I'm the misexile. In scenario 2, even though town chose right and exiled 2.7, we end up in the same place because we effed up about some other effing thing later on! So in other words, exile correctly today and we still get another chance to eff things up later!
And I'm getting exiled because of analysis like this?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 08:27:45 pm »Good morning friends!
So, we’ve heard from everyone now. There isn’t any tension with e’s claim that I see. I’m going to wait to vote until faust and whomever else have had time to reread, but I don’t have any reason to disbelieve e so I plan to vote for iguana.
Iguana, I wanted to say this now, if you’re scum, you have played really well in my opinion. Your posts defending yourself are well articulated and the frustration seems authentic. The fact that there is this much doubt speaks to how well you’ve played.
Can you at least interact with what I've been saying instead of just basically ignoring it while saying that you're mind hasn't changed?
No tension with e's claim? What about the fact that putting out a fake guilty gives 1 scum total clearance to vote a town, and allows the other two scum to hedge and act like they are evaluating a 50/50 and decide which side to vote based on how many or how few townies are supporting the exile? With full scum support for exiling me, they only needed to convince 2 townies to get an exile through and bring us to LyLo.
No tension? What about the fact that if they get my misexile through, scum is in an automatically great spot where they only need one more misexile to win the game? Sure, they lose 2.7, but what they gain is double LyLo, which is a great spot for scum to be in and only requires them to misexile a single townie.
What about everything I argued about how 2.7 has been playing scummy this game that you ignored and have not engaged with? What about the fact that he pushed you and MiX right up to the moment that he found out you were masons? What about your prior town read on me? Does that mean nothing to you? Are you willing to abandon all your prior reads now because you think that 2.7 claimed in a townie way?
Can you at least answer some of this? Because if you don't, when this is over and we're both in the speccy watching a likely scum bloodbath I am not really going to want to talk to you because you just exiled me on a single data point and didn't even engage with me about it.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 08:11:41 pm »So Swowl is acting exactly like 2.7's partner, and Faust goes to hell and back to justify that Swowl is acting like my partner based on misreading a breadcrumb based only on saying he was stupid, and now he's off voting scum and onto town and everyone is just fine with it?
We’re not fine with it but we know that today’s exile has to be you or e. Faust scrutiny will come tomorrow.
There's a problem with that. You are saying you intend on misexiling a town today because of your Faust scrutiny. Would you please maybe scrutinize a little more?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 05:52:41 pm »
So Swowl is acting exactly like 2.7's partner, and Faust goes to hell and back to justify that Swowl is acting like my partner based on misreading a breadcrumb based only on saying he was stupid, and now he's off voting scum and onto town and everyone is just fine with it?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 12:29:21 pm »
This game is not going to end up helping with the faust complex....
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 12:28:48 pm »
If Faust is 2.7's partner, he's chosen the quite genius strategy of defending me in a way that convinced everyone else that I'm Faust's partner and therefore scum :/
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 12:19:39 pm »
It seems that the tides are turning against me. I will try to respond to everyone individually later today but for now maybe consider this?
Is it possible you are all underestimating the bravado of the guy who says he underestimates the danger he's in? And just how good of a position scum is in after they misexile me?
Given that all my allies seem to be abandoning me, doesn't it seem likely that the one without allies is also the one without partners?
Is it possible you are all underestimating the bravado of the guy who says he underestimates the danger he's in? And just how good of a position scum is in after they misexile me?
Given that all my allies seem to be abandoning me, doesn't it seem likely that the one without allies is also the one without partners?
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: October 02, 2021, 06:20:54 pm »
The Stranger except that it's not actually good
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« on: October 02, 2021, 02:08:52 pm »
Overall this is a good post, and if true the "I always lurk as scum" argument could be compelling. I did get a couple of scum pings from it though.
"2.7 tricked me D2 into still thinking he was town by backing off his Math scumread shortly after I announced that I also had backed off it."
Something about "2.7 tricked me" seems unnecessarily accusatory.
"I'm guessing that scum must have looked through my ISO last night and guessed from my active play that I was VT and decided that would make me a good person to try to incriminate."
Something about this seems ingenuine. It also seems like something of a contradiction to suggest that scum were able to figure out that he was a VT, but also didn't know his meta.
What 2.7 did when he changed his read on Mathdude had the effect of tricking me into thinking he was towny. I will give you that I can't really discern whether that was something 2.7 did on purpose or whether it just had that effect and 2.7 had something else in mind by changing his read there (probably the latter).
The second part I think was very much the deer in the headlights effect. I've entertained a lot of ideas since 2.7 claimed on me for why they picked me. Ultimately, what actually makes sense to me is that they felt they could win more easily by using a fake result to incriminate someone that a lot of the town thought was towny, and therefore be up against people that a lot of the town think of as scummy during the LyLo that will result if you exile me. I think the fact that 2.7 admits that he tends to overestimate himself makes a lot of sense too for why he would pick this fight and expect to win.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 02, 2021, 01:56:27 pm »Why on earth do you lie as town in a semi open setup where your claim has bearing on how likely everyone else's claims are and vice versa? Lying about being cop as town has the potential to create, EG, a counterclaim from the actual cop in a CCC situation or just produce so many letters that it's a 1% chance to occur situation. So at best you are making people believe your lie but then they exile another town PR by mistake.
But if you are scum, that's a good outcome to get that counterclaim, so faking full cop is a fine play.
This is not a setup where town lies about their role because they're all related.
This feels like a strawman.
I think that's fair actually. When 2.7 first claimed on me, I had a very deer in the headlights reaction of knowing he was scum but having no idea why he was scum or why he chose me or why he did any of these decisions. So it took me quite a while to piece it together and figure out what his and his team's likely motivations were. At first when I was reading his claim, it seemed like he was just straight lying in his claim and this was a borderline scumslip, but actually I don't think that's what we're looking at.
What it seems more likely to be now is that 2.7 did a thought experiment of, if I were a 1-shot cop with a scum result on Iguana, how would I do it. And he thought, maybe I would pretend to be a full cop to get reactions, maybe I would string it out, etc.
All the same, the way that his claim played out in a wishy washy way and not a straightforward way to me is still an indication that this is a fantasy claim, and that 2.7 was considering multiple ways of doing it before he settled on one.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 02, 2021, 01:51:21 pm »So 2.7's EoD2 play is actually very scummy.
This may be minor, but the word "actually" jumped out at me here. If iguana's Town, then he knows e is scum, so wouldn't be surprised to find scumminess. "Actually" sounds like he was pleasantly surprised to find scumminess, which is more in line with scum iguana and Town e.
I think I used actually there because I had been townreading 2.7 all the way to pretty much the start of D3. So when I first read EoD2 it did not strike me that 2.7 was scum at that time. But then when I read back over his play knowing that he is scum, it struck me that he was being very scummy EoD2.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 01, 2021, 02:52:20 pm »Blablabla.
To the town of you: stop interacting with scum. Obviously this makes e scum because he knows better.
Fine. My weekend is Friday/Saturday so it's actually starting about now anyway (wife is about to get off work). I feel I have defended myself sufficiently. If 2.7 wants to say more, he can. If people have questions, I will happily answer them.
Town, please make the right choice.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 01, 2021, 02:50:27 pm »
Okay, I talk about/to faust in #198, #201, #229, #232, #314, #315, #316, #540, & #776 all before #811 where I voted faust and 2.7 jumped on me for it.
and that is not including all the times that I mention or interact with other people's reads on faust when I was doing my mid-D1 rereads.
Also, in #540 & #776, especially the first one, I talk about how I am beginning to be suspicious of faust basically because of the bad vibes I was getting from him.
Also Also, in my mid-day reread of faust & Jim, I specifically mention how I didn't spend as much time reading faust because I couldn't isolate any useful alingment indicative information out of his giant D1 fight with Jim.
Then, 2.7 jumps on me with this:
I would very much love to hear which of my 10 posts about faust was supposed to count and which were not.
and that is not including all the times that I mention or interact with other people's reads on faust when I was doing my mid-D1 rereads.
Also, in #540 & #776, especially the first one, I talk about how I am beginning to be suspicious of faust basically because of the bad vibes I was getting from him.
Also Also, in my mid-day reread of faust & Jim, I specifically mention how I didn't spend as much time reading faust because I couldn't isolate any useful alingment indicative information out of his giant D1 fight with Jim.
Then, 2.7 jumps on me with this:
(added bold for emphasis)Vote: faustWhen you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.
Or gkrieg.
Interested in hearing more about your faust vote. Seems very....random? I mean, you vote faust then just completely ignore both before and after. By my count, you have 4 posts interacting with faust prior to your vote and a single post after your "when you can't find scum its faust" post. Did you even look at faust or just felt like you could get some traction on faust because no one will take the time to reread everything he posted and you can build a wagon of people who start getting antsy when faust stays alive too long (thinking of the whole "If Robz is alive D4 he is scum" line of thinking, which I know faust has experienced as well)?
I don't know, your vote just doesn't sit well with me.
vote: iguana
I would very much love to hear which of my 10 posts about faust was supposed to count and which were not.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 01, 2021, 02:32:09 pm »How likely do you think it is that all scum were on the gkrieg wagon?
Interested in Joth/Swowl thoughts on this question
funny timing. I was just gonna ask E/Joth what they thought.
I am factoring in the EFHW exile rn. one sec.
okay so this is literally the first time that Swowl EVER mentions 2.7 and it's on D3. They are totally scum together and have been using a strategy of hard ignoring each other in the thread while letting townies and probably one active scum fight things out.What more information are you asking for that I haven't provided?
A better reason?
Sarcasm - I am just frustrated with this situation. I genuinely believe that I have a solid concept in Math v Joth. I also very much believe that Math has been towny in their responses since I posted my skum read on them, and Joth has been skummy in their defense of my push.
I also get that I am clearly tunneling and I am seriously trying to not do it, but every freekin time I go back to re reading I just end up back at joth.
I have been unfair in my frustration regarding you and Joth being suspicious of my switch from Math to Joth. For Joth, it is hard, because obviously I am reading them as skum. For you, it is frustrating because I feel like I am wasting time trying to convince a TR of mine that I am town.
I feel like the GK alt wagon is a lazy af alternative that was brought up as an alt to Joth/Math, which just makes me feel more strongly about it being one of Joth/Math. Or we are just fucked and just everyone is town. Which is why, blaming myself too for not moving earlier on day 1, we need to freeking exile on day 1.
I will take the weekend to do an overhaul and see what I can see. But like I can chalk this up to one of the most frustrating games I have ever played (maybe second to BSG S1)
I've already pointed out Swowl's super scummy "This is the most frustrating game I've ever played" exaggeration. Now we can add the "Or we are just fucked and just everyone is town" as a scumslip for the fact that all of the active players he is reading are town and he's having trouble making fake scumreads on a bunch of townies due to his strategy of ignoring his scumpartner 2.7.
Just like you ignored faust! Remember! Like I pointed out in my original case on you!
Except you EXAGGERATED the extent to which I ignored faust! You BS posted that I had only four posts about faust when I am positive I talked to him more than just four posts! At the time it didn't bother me because I was being STUPID and I thought you were TOWNY. But now it's obvious you were scum and for some reason you felt I was an easy target!!
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 01, 2021, 02:30:37 pm »
One last thing about Swowl is that he's one of the other player's who has been calling me scummy consistently throughout the game without ever giving a single reason, so it makes sense that he would be 2.7's partner here and they would feel that they could get a misexile through if they tipped the scales with a fake result.
You can see that here:
Here where he basically calls me the scummiest player by suggesting I claim first:
& again here with the super early jump on to me:
You can see that here:
Ok, I see you say that you had more townreads on the Joth wagon than the Math wagon.
@Swowl Who was scummy on the Math wagon and who was towny on the Joth wagon that made you pick Joth over Math EoD1?
I have already mentioned that WCD and MiX are my TRs on the Joth wagon.
I have already mentioned that I think Jimmm is town, from the Math wagon.
I have not mentioned that I think you are moderately skummy so far this game.
Those would be my big three.
ppe - tons of faust
Here where he basically calls me the scummiest player by suggesting I claim first:
I agree with IguanaI had an epiphany last night. I think I have solved the game. Massclaim right now is stupid and we shouldn#t do it; if you want to know who has what PR you can just read the thread.
Very good. I agree about the mass claim, and I have also solved the game.
So let's start with iguana
my order would be
Joth/Iguana
E!
Math
MiX/Faust
Jim/WCD
Swowl
But yes, if we did do it, I would be fine with Iguana being first. Though you suggesting it makes me slightly weary.
& again here with the super early jump on to me:
I mean....
Vote: Iguana
We are not in lylo. E! is pretty much assured to never be lying about Iguana being skum here.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 01, 2021, 02:18:29 pm »How likely do you think it is that all scum were on the gkrieg wagon?
Interested in Joth/Swowl thoughts on this question
funny timing. I was just gonna ask E/Joth what they thought.
I am factoring in the EFHW exile rn. one sec.
okay so this is literally the first time that Swowl EVER mentions 2.7 and it's on D3. They are totally scum together and have been using a strategy of hard ignoring each other in the thread while letting townies and probably one active scum fight things out.
What more information are you asking for that I haven't provided?
A better reason?
Sarcasm - I am just frustrated with this situation. I genuinely believe that I have a solid concept in Math v Joth. I also very much believe that Math has been towny in their responses since I posted my skum read on them, and Joth has been skummy in their defense of my push.
I also get that I am clearly tunneling and I am seriously trying to not do it, but every freekin time I go back to re reading I just end up back at joth.
I have been unfair in my frustration regarding you and Joth being suspicious of my switch from Math to Joth. For Joth, it is hard, because obviously I am reading them as skum. For you, it is frustrating because I feel like I am wasting time trying to convince a TR of mine that I am town.
I feel like the GK alt wagon is a lazy af alternative that was brought up as an alt to Joth/Math, which just makes me feel more strongly about it being one of Joth/Math. Or we are just fucked and just everyone is town. Which is why, blaming myself too for not moving earlier on day 1, we need to freeking exile on day 1.
I will take the weekend to do an overhaul and see what I can see. But like I can chalk this up to one of the most frustrating games I have ever played (maybe second to BSG S1)
I've already pointed out Swowl's super scummy "This is the most frustrating game I've ever played" exaggeration. Now we can add the "Or we are just fucked and just everyone is town" as a scumslip for the fact that all of the active players he is reading are town and he's having trouble making fake scumreads on a bunch of townies due to his strategy of ignoring his scumpartner 2.7.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 01, 2021, 02:09:22 pm »Joth is being really self righteous : ( Also scum often claims town after an exile because it can throw off exactly these kinds of twilight discussions. So there is absolutely still a chance that gkrieg is scum.
Oh yeah, you would never set up another mis-exile....
Joth was making me feel like shit! I HATE misexiling and I do it ALL THE TIME. This is literally why I quit playing!! Because I am bad at finding scum! And joth was sitting there rubbing it in my face in the thread! Setting up his misexile? That is total BS
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 01, 2021, 02:04:18 pm »Really liking all of the gkrieg posts, they feel very town.
-snip-
Okay, just found this. It is totally scummy that 2.7 goes from "gkrieg feels very town" to his weak noncommittal final comment on gkrieg that is setting him up to be able to vote gkrieg if necessary.
Yes, I would have hammered gkrieg for an exile. Did I want to? No.
Was gkrieg flailing around looking for random last minute exiles that did him no good? Yes.
Did I want him to stop that and vote Didds? Yes.
Grasping at straws here iguana.
How is pointing out that scum was lining up an alternative misexile (WCD) while letting the thread know that they'd be willing to hammer the first misexile (gkrieg) grasping at straws? I am literally describing what you were doing as scum and it is plain as day.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 01, 2021, 02:02:25 pm »
These two posts are literally the only times that 2.7 ever mentions Swowl, and both of them he has absolutely no opinion on Swowl at all.
It seems like the team is likely 2.7, Swowl, and one of Jim/Joth/Math/Faust. The last one will be harder to figure out and likely that's what they're counting on for their winning at LyLo gambit.
so, read joth, faust, math, MiX, LL, and iguana. From that group I would say:
more scummy: faust, iguana
more towny: joth, math, MiX
I am suspicious of my fellow lurkers, especially because of the no exile on D1, but I like my vote where it is at for now. Remind me to read EFHW, Swowl, Didds, and gkrieg later. I don't need to read Jimmmmm, I am confident in my D1 read that he is town.
And to be honest, there is some PoE confirmation bias that makes me think faust is scum. Looking at 3 scum in 10.
I think joth, jimmmm, and MiX are town, 3/7 removing them.
If iguana v faust is town v scum, then it is 1 scum (faust) in that group of 5 with two more in {EFHW, Swowl, Didds, and gkrieg, math}
How likely do you think it is that all scum were on the gkrieg wagon?
Interested in Joth/Swowl thoughts on this question
It seems like the team is likely 2.7, Swowl, and one of Jim/Joth/Math/Faust. The last one will be harder to figure out and likely that's what they're counting on for their winning at LyLo gambit.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 01, 2021, 01:55:22 pm »Really liking all of the gkrieg posts, they feel very town.
-snip-
Okay, just found this. It is totally scummy that 2.7 goes from "gkrieg feels very town" to his weak noncommittal final comment on gkrieg that is setting him up to be able to vote gkrieg if necessary.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 01, 2021, 01:42:04 pm »It's also very clear that 2.7's top 'scumread' at the end of the day was WCD. So if he's town, why not cop your top scum read on WCD?
What makes more sense is that 2.7 didn't want to do a false guilty of WCD EITHER because he felt she would be an easy misexile for LyLo that he needed to keep around OR because the team had figured out that MiX/Didds were masons overnight and he knew that a false guilty on her would lead to a CC and his exile.
So whether 2.7 had figured out masons ahead of time or not, it makes more sense as scum that he would choose me as the cop target and not his actual stated top scum read.
He found out me and Didds were masons when faust claimed that for us.
Yeah unless he's scum (possibly with faust) and he just pretended to find that out because he wouldn't have wanted to tip off that he knew that. But with the EFHW kill I think it is more likely that 2.7 was trying to frame WCD for LyLo and didn't know about masons.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 01, 2021, 01:40:13 pm »
It's also scummy that 2.7 up to this point hasn't really been making a case on me, and just responding to the case on him. Now that I've said it of course he will probably try, but good luck finding my partners 2.7, I don't have any!