Borrow: Now, this is a nice card. So, for the rest of the game, I essentially have a coin token available to me, but with the drawback of not being able to buy a card.But it doesn't really cost you the ability to buy a card, does it? I mean, you have to use a Buy to get its effect, but then it gives you the +1 Buy back. So it's like a "buytrip."
Actually, according to what Donald said last, it should mean the reverse. If the Estate is no longer yours when Swindler checks its cost, it's no longer an action card, so it just a regular $2 Estate again, and Swindler's giving you a $2... maybe another Estate that turns into a $0 Estate-Scout once it's back in your possession.Let's say that Transmute is referring to the state of the card at the moment it checks (like Procession); thus it will no longer be your Estate with all that means.Does this apply to all "Trash for X" cards? For example with a Quarry in play your inherited Scouts are worth 0, so if they get swindled, you may end up with a Curse. And if you Salvage them, you get +0$.
If you bought a Rats and used Watchtower to trash it.*ish too lazy to read the whole thread* So wait, with Borrow does this mean you get an extra coin in your buy phase in exchange for drawing one fewer card next turn? Or the whole game?Next time you draw cards.
So it's a one-time thing, right? That's mostly what I was wondering. Is there any time when "next time you draw cards" wouldn't be cleanup phase?
The rules for Band of Misfits say when you use Procession on it and play it as, e.g., Fortress, you "gain an Action card costing exactly $6 ($1 more than Band of Misfits, which has left play and so is no longer copying Fortress)." So there, you don't care about what a thing was at the time it was trashed, but what it is at the time you're evaluating the instruction.So to clarify: If I transmute Estate-Scout do I gain Gold+Transmute? I suppose not, because the card is already in the trash when the second part of Transmute is resolved. However when I trash Estate-Fortress, it goes back to my hand, doesn't it?If you Inheritance Scouts and then Transmute an Estate, it was an Action-Victory card, so you gain a Duchy and a Gold.
Well, if Library is really drawing, then it works like all the other draw-up-to-X cards and effectively counters the token. If it's not (for whatever reason), then it leaves the token alone.The token only affects drawing, with the additional caveat that Envoy is misworded and does not draw those cards.How about Library? Is it serious about the word "draw"? It's a weird kind of drawing that doesn't happen anywhere else, so I always thought of it as more like: "look at a card, maybe put it into your hand, maybe do something else," since that's how everything else does stuff like that. Like, maybe Library it was released too early to have gotten that wording or something.
But now I'm guessing that, since it does say "draw" and you didn't mention it just now, it's probably really and truly drawing, and it's just weird.
Luckily, I don't think there's any confusion there. The token is not an Action card, so it just gets "drawn", a.k.a. removed, and then you go on with the rest of Library.
The token only affects drawing, with the additional caveat that Envoy is misworded and does not draw those cards.How about Library? Is it serious about the word "draw"? It's a weird kind of drawing that doesn't happen anywhere else, so I always thought of it as more like: "look at a card, maybe put it into your hand, maybe do something else," since that's how everything else does stuff like that. Like, maybe Library was released too early to have gotten that wording or something.
Think of it like this: the game has these event-triggered "thingies" that say "When X happens, do Y."Wharf doesn't resolve until I've gotten my +2 Cards/+1 Buy on my next turn.
This is wrong. Wharf is completely resolved right after you play it. The thing it does when it resolves is to give you 2 cards and a buy now, and to give you 2 cards and a buy at the start of your next turn. It's not still being resolved on your next turn.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I figure Events will be cards only in the sense that the Trash Pile Card is a card. They won't be cards in the sense of things that go into your deck during a game. I'm guessing they'll be printed with different backs, too.Events are things you can buy that are not cards.I'm still quite confident in what I guessed. ... Events can be bought like the other cards ...This is the contradiction I can't reconcile.
But maybe I'm just being pedantic and we're actually all on the same page, i.e. we think Events will be printed on cards and the playtesters are just emphasizing that they aren't "compatible" with cards we've seen before.
Play Highway, Play Haggler, Play Gold, Play Talisman.Yup, that's it!
Buy Sir Michael.
Choose to resolve Talisman's on Buy effect first.
Gain Sir Michael. (reveal Sir Martin)
Resolve Haggler's on Buy effect.
Gain Sir Martin.
Silver isn't awful, and the game has this "only play one action per turn" rule. Those both seem like good things, but together they lead to, sometimes you can do well without many actions. Not playing many actions is just one of the basic solutions to only being able to play one per turn. There are other solutions though, and the main set has them: I can play lots of +1 action cards like Lab, I can play Village and more terminals, I can play Remodels and Remodel Remodel, I can go for Gardens and just live with lots of terminals.
Playing one action per turn is extremely simple and opens the door for making cards like Village and Spy (and less obviously, Remodel and Vault and Bank and Gardens).
That works!Okay so, buy Dame Anna or whoever with Haggler, gain Squire from Haggler, trash Squire with Watchtower, gain… no, Dame Anna is still on top, so you gain her from the Squire and then your buy… fizzles? I'm actually not sure what happens in this situation, but the buy fizzling seems more likely than it being transferred to the next Knight down.Then play 2 Hagglers.
"Spammable Terminals" isn't quite right.How about "Soft Terminals"? Like, they can collide, but it's not too bad.
Buying a non-Martin knight with Haggler in play, revealing Martin, gaining Martin off Haggler.That's a partial solution, but not quite sufficient. You'd resolve the Haggler's effect before you gained the top Knight, so Sir Martin wouldn't be available to gain yet. You need a component or two more to make it work.
Why are you phrasing it that way instead of as a "choose one"?You need an "if you do" to prevent you from getting the +3 Cards if you choose not to discard an action card. It's pretty awkward to put the "if you do" part in there if you also use the "choose one" phrasing. It'd have to be "Choose one: You may discard a card and, if you do, +3 Cards; or +1 Action."
