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In a 3-player IRL game today, I passed a Province when someone else played Masquerade in order to have all unique cards in my hand for Menagerie to kick off my engine so I could buy the last two Provinces. Otherwise my engine would have stalled that turn.

How confident were you that you weren't going to get passed a duplicate?

They were all on the Tavern mat.

Rules Questions / Re: Fleet extra turns
« on: December 23, 2018, 01:12:29 pm »
Just to check the corner case on the corner case, am I right that if someone plays Possession during the Fleet round and makes the Possessed player buy Fleet, the Possessed player does then get a Fleet turn

No, this was answered by Donald earlier in this thread.

Although I guess I didn't ask enough to determine exactly when it's too late to buy Fleet meaningfully. Based on the wording on Fleet, I assume it's "after a turn has ended with a game end condition being met." But it might also be "after a player's turn has been skipped in the Fleet round" or "after a player has taken a Fleet turn." (Not that there should be a way to do anything between when the Fleet round starts and the first Fleet turn, but hey, maybe someday.)

Dominion General Discussion / Re: Card and Token quality
« on: December 20, 2018, 12:10:05 pm »
Contact RGG; they may let you send the extra tokens back.

Dominion General Discussion / Re: Interview with Donald X.
« on: December 11, 2018, 12:05:50 pm »
Ah, but how much of that time was necessary...

To an alcoholic, is drinking "necessary"?

Rules Questions / Re: Reserve cards + Necromancer
« on: December 09, 2018, 10:49:57 am »
Quote from: Necromancer
Play a face up, non-Duration Action card from the trash, leaving it there and turning it face down for the turn.

No that phrase only stops the card from being moved into play. What stops the card from moving itself is apparently that it has already Lost Track of itself due to being played from an unexpected location.

Necromancer stops the played card from being moved to "in play," and that's all it stops. However! A card that for example trashes itself from play is looking for itself in play, and won't move itself if it's not there.

Dominion General Discussion / Re: Order of Types
« on: December 05, 2018, 02:27:55 am »
Tip: If you want to make ASCII art diagrams, put them in a [tt][/tt] block. That way, all the characters are displayed with the same width and you can line everything up the way you want.

| Like this |

If you play Royal Carriage, then play an Action, then call Royal Carriage, then Royal Carriage is "an Action card you played this turn that's in play", but is it "an Action card you played this turn that's still in play". Answer (by my understanding): no, you've Lost Track. It's now in play again, not still, and you can't play Scepter on it.

Although I agree with your conclusion, it seems like you're implying that this is an instance of the Lose Track rule. The reason Scepter doesn't work here is specifically because it says "still"; I don't believe the Lose Track rule comes into play.


Dominion General Discussion / Re: Bane Marker
« on: December 03, 2018, 10:57:09 am »
It seems like the image is already on the wiki. You can find it on the Young Witch page.

Let's Discuss ... / Re: empires: overlord
« on: December 02, 2018, 02:35:45 am »
-i mean seriously. why would you need paradoxes for robot defense when you could just say, alright. you play an overlord and there's count, artificer, archive, graverobber, cartographer, and tactician on the board.
i have no idea what this means at all

In science fiction, one can often thwart an artificial intelligence by presenting it with a paradoxical question, presumably sending it into an infinite loop as it tries to answer the unanswerable. Your above comment humorously suggests that, as an alternative to this method, one could simply ask an A.I. (or "robot") which card to play Overlord as, and that decision would be sufficiently complex to effectively disable the A.I.

I have now explained your joke to you, thereby making it funnier.

Rules Questions / Re: Sewers + On-Trashing Draw
« on: November 28, 2018, 04:55:09 pm »
If I have bought sewers, and then use chapel to trash 2 rats, can I draw 2 cards before I decide whether to trash any more cards from my hand with sewers?

When you trash two Rats with Chapel after you've bought Sewers, four effects trigger: two optional trash effects and two draw effects. Those effects can be handled in any order you choose. So, yes, you may choose to draw two cards before you decide whether to trash the up to two cards from Sewers.

Also, If I have bought sewers, and then chapel 2 rats, assuming I can draw 2 cards before I decide, if I use sewers to trash 1 more rats, can I draw a card before I trash a second card with sewers?

Based on the answer in this thread, I'd say you must draw a card from the Sewer-trashed Rats before you can go back to trash a second card from the other Chapel-trashed Rats.

Rules Questions / Re: Strange Inventor question
« on: November 26, 2018, 04:28:47 pm »
I assume the "then" on Inventor is meant only to (redundantly) indicate sequence, just like it does on Wishing Well or Cellar. Also, I assume that if it were actually meant to indicate a dependent effect, the FAQ would have pointed that out.

I solve all this using the house rule 'don't look at the back of the top card of your deck'. Takes some practice but it works. Alternatively I could devise some sort of object that obscures your deck.

Setup: Each player puts their Uncertainty Token on their deck.

Rules Questions / Re: Fleet extra turns
« on: November 10, 2018, 03:22:57 am »
Say an extra round starts with player A. Player A has bought Fleet, and player B, to his left, hasn't. If player A, during his Fleet turn, Possesses player B, then has him buy Fleet during the Possession turn, will player B end up getting his Fleet turn, or is it too late for that?

Adventurer might not be totally worthless with Capitalism. It'd give Venture/Capitalism a run for its money.

Um, Adventurer + Capitalism almost reads +2 cards. I mean, it skips over Victory cards which is nice... but that sounds terrible.

Hence the "might" (i.e. depends on board) and the "not totally worthless" (as opposed to, like, "decent").

Adventurer might not be totally worthless with Capitalism. It'd give Venture/Capitalism a run for its money.

Rules Questions / Re: A Couple of Buy Phase Clarifications
« on: November 07, 2018, 07:56:54 pm »
I am interested in further opinions on "Coffers token conversion after Capitalism-Black Market buys."

My opinion is that you should have it work however you initially envisioned it to work, even if the rulebook (and mat, I guess; I haven't seen the mat) could be interpreted otherwise. I feel like only literal-minded programmer types would even consider the possibility that Black Market might stop you from playing Coffers, and even then they would probably say, "Nah, it can't possibly mean that." I figure more than 95% of players (even ones who carefully read the rulebook) would be absolutely dumbfounded to discover that Black Market stopped you from playing Coffers. Mark Rosewater used to say something like, "If you go against players' expectations, you're fighting a losing battle."

Rules Questions / Re: A Couple of Buy Phase Clarifications
« on: November 06, 2018, 05:43:56 pm »
It seems like the same literal interpretation should also disallow playing Treasures after buying from Black Market during the buy phase. At least, the 2E base set rulebook says: "You cannot go back and play more Treasures after buying a card; first play Treasures, then buy."

b) But you can play more Treasures as the rulebook talks about playing Treasures before you use the "normal" buys.
But I haven't been able to find where in the rulebook this is, so maybe that's what I'm missing.

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Reaction cards
« on: November 06, 2018, 11:01:57 am »
The thing I find odd about Patron is that it doesn't really behave like a reaction. Other reactions are basically triggered abilities that trigger while the card is in a hidden zone and give you the option of somehow proving that the card is there in order to cause some effect. Patron triggers while the card is publicly visible, and there's no choice about whether to get the effect. It would have worked just as well if it hadn't been blue at all.

Not that Reaction really has any rules meaning anyway.

Feedback / Re: Chrome Extension for f.ds!
« on: November 06, 2018, 10:24:03 am »
It might be possible to allow plurals to work without the Goldthorpe problem; if I just look for "s" specifically.

What's a Goldthorpe problem? Did you mean Scunthorpe problem? ('Cuz there's an easy way to remember how to spell that.)

The Goldthorpe problem was that the first half of that guy's name was getting autolinked to Gold, and it was annoying. I don't remember who he was; but people were posting about him back then.

Oh, wow. I was going to guess that was a made-up name referencing the Scunthorpe Problem in a Dominion-specific context, but there's actually a playtester for Nocturne (mentioned in the secret history but not the credits) named David Goldthorpe. That's a little bit hilarious.

Feedback / Re: Chrome Extension for f.ds!
« on: November 06, 2018, 09:48:17 am »
It might be possible to allow plurals to work without the Goldthorpe problem; if I just look for "s" specifically.

What's a Goldthorpe problem? Did you mean Scunthorpe problem? ('Cuz there's an easy way to remember how to spell that.)

Rules Questions / A Couple of Buy Phase Clarifications
« on: November 06, 2018, 09:43:13 am »
1) The rulebook says:
A token [on the Coffers side of your mat] can be removed in your Buy phase, before buying anything, for +$.

Does that have the same "any time" implication that Villagers have? Like, if I play a Capitalist Vassal during the Buy phase and he turns over a Storyteller, can I spend Coffers at that moment in order to get Storyteller to draw more cards?

2) The rulebooks say that after you "buy something," you can no longer play treasures or spend Coffers. Now that you can play Black Market in various ways during the buy phase, you can technically buy something at a time that would normally be "in the middle of" playing treasures. Does buying something from the Black Market this way serve to prevent you from playing any more treasures? Or is it only "normal" buys that do that?

Dominion: Renaissance Previews / Re: Renaissance rulebook is up
« on: November 05, 2018, 09:54:35 am »
Technically both Lantern and Enchantress cause me to do something else than following the play instructions on a card. Do I get to choose the order, and does it make a difference?

I think Lantern effectively modifies a "how many cards to reveal" property unique to Border Guard (whose default value is 2), and Border Guard's on-play instructions use that property. Where Enchantress says don't even follow the on-play instructions, so it doesn't matter what the value of that property is.

Rules Questions / Re: Disciple on Band of Misfits
« on: November 01, 2018, 03:46:42 pm »
Tracking is just super weird.  Like, we can see your Fitbit, but we don't have permission to access your location.  Apparently.

Exactly. There are really two kinds of tracking going on simultaneously. Since a card's properties can depend on its location, you have to unerringly (and sometimes impossibly) track its location in order to be able to know what it looks like at the instant some instructions need that information. But then there's also the more fragile tracking referred to by "lose track," which you have to note has been broken in certain situations to know not to follow instructions that tell you to move the card. So, sometimes, your left hand has to pretend it doesn't know where a card is even though your right hand is required to know exactly where it is.

Rules Questions / Re: Wine Merchant + Debt
« on: October 23, 2018, 09:25:05 pm »
I guess "at the start of Clean-up" could work but end of Buy phase makes more sense as you don't associate Clean-up with left-over Coins.

Diadem looks around sheepishly.

like all autocorrects, it doesn't always get the context right.

‘Tis true.

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