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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Game Over! Town Wins!

« on: March 29, 2018, 06:58:33 pm »

my scumpool for today was gonna be witherweaver space and theorel which is hilarious

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Game Over! Town Wins!

« on: March 29, 2018, 06:57:49 pm »

YASSS THEOREL SCUM

literally did not matter but i'm happy with that

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 29, 2018, 12:04:24 pm »

If SK killed scum, that means that our vig killed town N1 (if they'd killed scum then only town would be left, so game would be over)

uh

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 3

« on: March 29, 2018, 11:08:03 am »

roleblocker alive is almost a win, 3 clears between their target last night, themself, and their target tonight

either vig or flavorcop being alive and not the last night target is a win

same applies to flavorcop with two "not aes sedai"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 26, 2018, 11:47:34 pm »

And sorry for the weird structure above.

i forgive u

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 26, 2018, 11:47:03 pm »

I was actually thinking there is no way schadd and WW are scum partners when mcmc did the thing where he said something about them being tvt.

is this the scum trap

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 26, 2018, 11:44:29 pm »

i sort of think robz is town

i would lynch ww as well, abouts the same level of scumread as theorel

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1

« on: March 26, 2018, 11:43:27 pm »

Or...maybe mcmc's reaction is relevant because it is what inspired my scum-read, whereas I don't particularly remember anyone else's reaction.  But lending credence to a town-read is a whole different ball-game IMO than lending credence to a confirmed town player.  Regarding your conversation with TWM, I dunno, it didn't seem like there was a need to interject into it?  I think my points were already made, none of them changed.

i disagree that it is a different ballpark, the probability of a townread being town is p high. even a not-townread

i mean you asked me a question. did you think anything about the several walls of text i posted essentially in response to that question

that is what i was getting at with the people don't tend to defend partners thing. a lot of people here overvalue vca and are conscious of counterwagons. in response, i have observed very often that scum here will bus often and make little attempt to dislodge a scum wagon if one is building.

Not day 1. Bussing on day 1 is basically suicide. Especially with only two partners.

And I am not even talking about defending. I am just talking about a subtle move toward someone other than mcmc to make it a viable option. I actually anticipated people suspecting me of exactly that when I moved off mcmc which is why I didn't exactly spell it out yesterday.

But OK. I am not going to convince you of this. If you are town, then you are convinced you are town and did a townie thing. If you are scum I am not trying to convince you. But am interested if this idea is working for anyone else or if I am totally off base?

gosh wouldn't you think so. but people do do it. m102 galzria and pps both bussed and lynched faust d1 three players not two. ww empty bussed both of his partners in 104three players not two. i don't immediately remember it for other people who were on wagon. but like people do specifically try to get things like your unvote to happen, as far as i understand that is a significant reason for pps' hammer thing. huh? Nevermind. I don't really care.

i don't suppose the thing i did was townie it wasn't. especially the way it happened. It isn't just that you voted for mcmc that was scummy. It was what you did before and how you voted (idk i could have thought it through more probably, if i had remembered pps would hammer immediately i wouldn't have voted) but i also don't suppose that i unilaterally should have not voted according to your thing I wouldn't have minded the vote had you and pps at least given it some thought (and publicly shown this by posting said thoughts instead of saying that you had thoughts retroactively).

And again. I am not super interested in what you are saying. I want to hear from everyone else.
 There are X number of townies. Can any of you townies give me some sort of input on my thoughts here?
 Seriously?

My points in red

lmfao there are two scum

ok

it is minutia anyway. i guess i agree bussing is more unlikely but yes i would not have considered that

i mean i did give the thing you said thought. i said "people don't defend partners here" to try to communicate all this stuff from today and i guess wasn't clear

Both schadd and theorel's votes for each other look like they are both trying to justify voting for the other.

i mean i agree with you about theorel on me, that is largely what i am scumreading him for

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 26, 2018, 09:05:37 pm »

oups

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia

« on: March 26, 2018, 08:45:11 pm »

u don't get high off ur own supply

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 26, 2018, 08:44:05 pm »

when you say you buy their logic do you mean this

It rather sucks that my two biggest townreads are the two with wagons, but maybe the game is dead because there are two or three scummy people out there who have observed that town will just eat itself with little-to-no input from them.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 26, 2018, 08:42:12 pm »

Vote: Space for conveniently townreading the two main wagons--I don't buy your logic, I think you're trying to place yourself in the "see I was right camp" if we lynch town.

they townread both of us well in advance of us being wagons

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia

« on: March 26, 2018, 08:05:54 pm »

MODORATE

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia

« on: March 26, 2018, 07:58:47 pm »

i can co moderate

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1

« on: March 26, 2018, 05:09:20 pm »

that is what i was getting at with the people don't tend to defend partners thing. a lot of people here overvalue vca and are conscious of counterwagons. in response, i have observed very often that scum here will bus often and make little attempt to dislodge a scum wagon if one is building.

Not day 1. Bussing on day 1 is basically suicide. Especially with only two partners.

And I am not even talking about defending. I am just talking about a subtle move toward someone other than mcmc to make it a viable option. I actually anticipated people suspecting me of exactly that when I moved off mcmc which is why I didn't exactly spell it out yesterday.

But OK. I am not going to convince you of this. If you are town, then you are convinced you are town and did a townie thing. If you are scum I am not trying to convince you. But am interested if this idea is working for anyone else or if I am totally off base?

gosh wouldn't you think so. but people do do it. m102 galzria and pps both bussed and lynched faust d1. ww empty bussed both of his partners in 104. i don't immediately remember it for other people who were on wagon. but like people do specifically try to get things like your unvote to happen, as far as i understand that is a significant reason for pps' hammer thing.

i don't suppose the thing i did was townie (idk i could have thought it through more probably, if i had remembered pps would hammer immediately i wouldn't have voted) but i also don't suppose that i unilaterally should have not voted according to your thing

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1

« on: March 26, 2018, 05:08:58 pm »

I'm not sure I follow what you're "interested" in.  My original collection of thoughts is just the things that seemed salient from the previous day as I considered each player (and scanned their posts to remember what happened). One of those facts is that mcmc thought there was scum in your argument with witherweaver.  My reaction to that fact, given that mcmc is town, is to temper my original reaction, because I have no particular reason to believe that my read of the situation was in fact the correct one.  I'm not embracing mcmc's reaction, because I have no particular reason to believe that his read was in fact the correct one.

It feels like you accused me of taking mcmc's read and deciding you must be scum because of it, and so I explained the "value" judgments in my reasoning (i.e. recognizing mcmc's alignment reduced my town-read, looking at the rest of the day turned it into a scum-read), but then you accused me of not making a value judgment? I'm not sure what kind of "value" you're expecting...unless you just mean the original post?  I didn't offer much value there for anyone until the conclusion...I think you're just stuck on a style thing.

you seemed to me to be cherrypicking

mcmc said ww and me might be tvs. your reaction was that it was tvt, datswan's reaction was that it was tvt (and you seem to think he was town), space's reaction was that it was tvt (idk there is a decent chance they are town, you can care about someone's read without them being even likely town)

your reaction upon seeing mcmc's post was "nah i disagree" and the fact that you said you tempered your reaction after his flip suggests you wouldn't have been especially convinced by him initially; it seemed more likely to me that you were looking for a way to drop your townread of me and noticed "oh hey mcmc disagreed with me and flipped town" than that you had become convinced by mcmc's claim (especially since your wording didn't suggest you were specifically lending credence to him, e.g. that he is a competent town player or something. that is what i was referring to with a value judgement)

as well you had a rather confident scumread of me because you thought my place on the mcmc wagon was weird but twm and i have been talking about that for a while and you haven't seemed to be interested

vote: theorel

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1

« on: March 25, 2018, 08:02:13 pm »

i think i looked at vote count 1.3 and thought "he he ha ha it is only i and galzria voting ww now that is interesting" and that mcmc wagon was probably gonna be a thing since i and people tend to sightread him quickly and he seemed reasonably scum to me and i assumed other people would see that

there wasn't anything in particular i was expecting him to do, he had seemed committed to ww scum and i thought the way he would switch to mcmc if he did would be interesting somehow. i guess it wasn't really, maybe pending ww's flip

So you got nothing out of what you were, supposedly, waiting for? Cool.

gosh i guess not!

as i said it is within my means as scum to make something up. it is also within my means to do it as town, which i do on occasion. lmfeo.

you seem to be either under the impression or pushing the narrative that it was a grand and profound decision i spent a lot of thought on to not vote mcmc immediately. it is just a thing that i thought and did

I think the reasons there are pretty much sufficient. In addition, I do not think you have played a town game. There has not been posts that felt like typical schadd. This isn't enough reason to vote for you, but nor is it enough reason to not vote for you given the above. You haven't been around as much, especially later and later after being around earlier. Again, not a reason to vote alone, but it isn't making my impression of you be townie. Something that I typically get from you. Maybe that is just because it is still early in the whole game?

TL;DR. You have done some scummy stuff and you haven't left your normal townie impression

have u townread me like ever

Sure.

And you sure did ignore on a lot of stuff to only fixate on the least important part. I mean, this is like the least substantial portion of anything I am finding you scummy for.

what did i ignore

if you mean that last paragraph i don't know what i am supposed to responding to. you are saying a bunch of different ways that u think i am different from normal and scum. idk i'm me bitc

What I want to know is why you (schadd) thought it was a good idea to vote for mcmc after seeing (that I pointed out) that he had been the only wagon with more than 2 votes all game long? Didn't that seem weird to you? If mcmc had been scum, all he and partner had to do was move to a wagon with another vote and now you have a competing wagon instead of letting him become the default lynch. mcmc as scum wouldn't play like that. But I point that out and instead of introspection we have two "derp" votes after each other to make sure the vote goes through. I have to think at least one of those was from scum. So you or pps. Pick one.

that is what i was getting at with the people don't tend to defend partners thing. a lot of people here overvalue vca and are conscious of counterwagons. in response, i have observed very often that scum here will bus often and make little attempt to dislodge a scum wagon if one is building.

you were in gilmore girls. silverspawn could have voted datswan and prevented you from getting lynched, but he didn't. and for that reason people pushed him very little for the rest of the game.

it did not seem weird to me that there were a lot of people voting him. i have also mentioned the fact that i think people can form a read on mcmc quickly. i also did that thing, incidentally.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1

« on: March 24, 2018, 07:48:59 pm »

What was weird was that you voted, again without reasoning, immediately after I brought up, what I thought was a pretty good point that no other wagons had been seen that whole day and that this meant mcmc was less likely to be scum.

In addition I felt that your example of one interaction with mcmc was weak and forced, about the tvt thing. But you still hadn't ever commented or given an opinion on a read on mcmc either way until I called you out and you voted for him.

your vote for him below for context

...

i did also mean "mcmc seems scummy from that post" when i said the vote was reasonable

i suppose you probably want my thinking with him articulated if town, 122 struck me as something people don't think often, usually you will just have someone in particular that you think is scum; 143 seemed like he thought "i am mcmc and town mcmc is confident!" whereas he could have just explained what he was thinking

also stuff like 163 seemed like he was just trying to do stuff, made me think of m98

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 24, 2018, 07:34:08 pm »

i incidentally think pps is town

i might put my early-2017 mask on and look at an old game or 2 to support this

space is also seeming a bit town

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1

« on: March 24, 2018, 07:33:00 pm »

Reason is that he has stayed completely away from the mcmc wagon. It is obviously the biggest thing going on in the game, but he hasn't voted for him or defended him. He has just ignored it except to say "reasonable" to me and someone else that voted for him.

If mcmc is town then schadd stays off the mislynch wagon. If mcmc is scum, then I don't expect schadd to act this way, but I don't really think mcmc is scum.

i wanted to see if/how galz would leave ww

i asked mcmc what he thought was not tvt

vote: mcmc L-1 people don't tend to defend scum partners on this site, or even avoid voting them really

i townread swan

I could have sworn someone already asked schadd to explain the how gall would react part, but could not find it. schadd can you elaborate?

i think i looked at vote count 1.3 and thought "he he ha ha it is only i and galzria voting ww now that is interesting" and that mcmc wagon was probably gonna be a thing since i and people tend to sightread him quickly and he seemed reasonably scum to me and i assumed other people would see that

there wasn't anything in particular i was expecting him to do, he had seemed committed to ww scum and i thought the way he would switch to mcmc if he did would be interesting somehow. i guess it wasn't really, maybe pending ww's flip

schadd: He has that argument with ww, which now known-town mcmc thought included scum.

i mean you thought it didn't and if you are town you know yourself to be town

True, but now I know that mcmc actually found one of you scummy rather than just trying to get one of you lynched.  So, I'm dialing back my town-v-town read on that interaction some.  Then I scum-read you for the rest of the day, which included that odd "wanted to see what galz did" post.

what i'm interested in is that you haven't seemed to make a value judgement of mcmc's reads

What was weird was that you voted, again without reasoning, immediately after I brought up, what I thought was a pretty good point that no other wagons had been seen that whole day and that this meant mcmc was less likely to be scum.

In addition I felt that your example of one interaction with mcmc was weak and forced, about the tvt thing. But you still hadn't ever commented or given an opinion on a read on mcmc either way until I called you out and you voted for him.

your vote for him below for context

good golly it is within my means to give reasoning for a vote as scum

what i meant by "people don't defend scum partners" is that if a wagon is cropping up on scum, scum don't fight it very often here in my memory, i.e., scum can get wagoned

it happens more often on day 2s than day 1s but like i said mcmc can be read p easily

I think the reasons there are pretty much sufficient. In addition, I do not think you have played a town game. There has not been posts that felt like typical schadd. This isn't enough reason to vote for you, but nor is it enough reason to not vote for you given the above. You haven't been around as much, especially later and later after being around earlier. Again, not a reason to vote alone, but it isn't making my impression of you be townie. Something that I typically get from you. Maybe that is just because it is still early in the whole game?

TL;DR. You have done some scummy stuff and you haven't left your normal townie impression

have u townread me like ever

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 2

« on: March 22, 2018, 08:18:37 pm »

schadd: He has that argument with ww, which now known-town mcmc thought included scum.

i mean you thought it didn't and if you are town you know yourself to be town

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1

« on: March 22, 2018, 08:10:42 pm »

weird

my reason for not immediately voting mcmc?

i had no hurry to vote mcmc and as it happens there was a strong reason to not do that (which i mean i wasn't considering specifically but)

Schadd is a big ole null. I can't read that guy, like at all. I was actually thinking there is no way schadd and WW are scum partners when mcmc did the thing where he said something about them being tvt. So, I get where mcmc was coming from on that except I was a bit more specific in my analysis. Either one could be scum but likely not both.

WW, on the surface doesn't look straight up scummy. If there's scum between him and schadd it's him, though. He's definitely avoiding positions that put him into much scrutiny but being sure to be suspicious of everyone else.

you say either ww or i could be scum and then you say it is definitely ww that is scum

can you elaborate on that last sentence in the quote?

Vote: Schadd

Genius play. Just genius

[serious]

do you have any other reasoning for me being scum than what you've posted? 281 and 286

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 5)

« on: March 20, 2018, 05:21:03 pm »

-somebody did something someone else asked them to do today. this fact is very alignment-indicative.
-at least 1 person copped mcmc.
-there's something related to PRs that somebody mentioned on this last page (1350+) that makes me deeply ashamed and i expect a little bit of upsetment in postgame. there weren't any mod errors or anything. this fact is also alignment-indicative

-iguana said scum could vote
-only space did
-i thought this was good reasoning and is the sort of thing i encourage people to think about, and it should have been right except that i made cuzz ascetic. which i didn't think very hard about, i considered that it would be a huge fart in the face of the jailkeeper but gets sorta countered by the watcher (who incidentally immediately died) and could also just be lynched. while it may have been balanced that's not the sort of mechanic i want to have. so, whops.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 5)

« on: March 20, 2018, 03:43:29 pm »

o yeah cuzz is the mvp

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 5)

« on: March 20, 2018, 03:13:42 pm »

https://youtu.be/Bf2qhTEghd0?t=1m8s

did i make you cry? on christmas day
did i let you down? like any other day
did i make you cry? on christmas day
did i let you down? on christmas day

iguanaiguana has been endgamed! he was a vanilla townie


https://youtu.be/eJfOOghrP1E?t=1m3s

only a steelman came to recover
if he had run from cold carryover
we celebrate our sense of each other
we have a lot to give one another

mcmcsalot has been endgamed! he was a vanilla townie


https://youtu.be/5zlxFUlRgdg?t=48s

we set out once, with folded shirts,
with hairy chest, and well rehearsed,
i want it all, i want it all for myself
i'll set it right between your eyes,
your shoulder blade, your running knife
i want it all, i want it all for myself

faust has survived and won! he was the difficulty of humans to understand each other, a mafia goon


https://youtu.be/tTj2jBe4XfU?t=2m3s

carrie come home (thorazine's friend)
holding your hands with opal
like a dead horse (shall we ascend?)
flight of the mayfly
ephemera on my back, she breaks my arm

Cuzz has survived and won! he was the death of carrie, a mafia ascetic goon


https://youtu.be/qx1s_3CF07k?t=2m10s

there's blood on that blade
fuck me i'm falling apart
my assassin, like casper the ghost
there's no shade in the shadow of the cross

the mafia team of pingpongsam, faust and Cuzz has won.


mod: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/crfkwTHTbdJz
spec: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/JTZZj6yL3fEku
maf: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/pWrriYhDHEthH

thread unlocked i guess