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Vote: datswan

I honestly don't see my vote changing today so i'm just putting it here.

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Vote count 4.2

Morgrim7 (1): DatSwan
Galzria (1): Galzria
Not voting (4): SpaceAnemone, EFHW, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Monday, 15th of October, at 11am.

So being more aware this time. We might have to lynch on the weekend or early Monday so we can't leave it supernlast minute   

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Galz I'm really hoping you aren't scum because I don't know if i cann vote you.

As for today I'm still currently thinking its datswan with EFHW as the partner. But the EFHW is mainly because the claim just doesn't fit in my mind, it feels off. But EFHW and datswan do not really feel like teammembers in how they are playing. Unless they realized they have to make sure one of them lives? I dunno.

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So, until people get back I am gonna continue to build this case:

Sorry for completely vanishing when the world needed me most. The work project went well.

Phone posting right now so don’t expect anything too long or juicy, but here are my thoughts.

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong - I do have a cop ability. I get two shots, one yielding the correct result and one yielding an incorrect result. I was not told which one would be the correct one though. Night one I targeted iguanaiguana because I was almost 100% sure he was town and thought that the result would tell me which cop I had left, the correct one or the incorrect one. Copping Iguana returned town, so I assumed that I had the incorrect one left. I copped silver last night, and again got a town result, which makes no sense.

2) I’m curious to know how many scum are left. Based off my cop results, something tells me that everything might not be as it seems with the alignments we’ve been getting from LaLight. Unless my copping ability is wrong or one of silver/iguana was a godfather of sorts, one of them had to be scum.

3) The info from above makes me question whether or not I can correctly make reads on who silver thought was scum yesterday based off the stuff silver said. I still think there’s a possibility that he was actually scum.

4) Galz is giving me scum vibes, as is chairs and maybe EFHW.

Response to 1) First off this would make perfect sense from skum disappearing and not confirming Galz's theory prior to deadline. After that they don't have to do any work. Someone else already laid the groundwork for their fake claim, they don't even have to be the one to do it. It is perfect. Secondly, I am *assuming* that skum does actually have the ability to mess with results so they threw in the SS part... or maybe they were setting it up as defense in case anyone ever got a result on them.

Response to 2) Knowing that there is a traitor in the game - saying this as skum makes a lot of sense. Trying to suggest that that there is already a dead skum that flipped town.

Response to 3) Same as #2.

Response to 4) Perfect triangle at the time. Their skum partner + Galz + lurksauce.


If both detective fake claims were given to skum, it is really not that hard to imagine that they pulled this off.

hmm. I feel like the game is telling me you have to be scum. But you are playing this really well and its making me hesitate.

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I’m going to have to schedule some actual time for this tomorrow or Thursday - I keep opening it up and having 10 or 15 minutes... which just hasn’t been enough to actually participate.

I feel like I'm having the same issue.

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ok. so there is still a chance that there is an SK and gkrieg didn't shoot. Thats not what completely what I believe right now tho. If there is  no SK it does paint datswan pretty badly though.

I mean, it's also possible that there's an SK and it's Swan.

Actually, scratch that... it's very unlikely we have an SK left.

Chairs was a traitor, and I think it very unlikely that we have a one-person scum-team plus traitor, so I think that means there have to be at least two scum-team people left. For there to be Two scum-team people left and an SK left means three non-town out of the five of you left alive, meaning from my perspective one of Galz, Morgrim and Hydrad has to be some flavour of scum on top of EFHW and Swan. That just seems less likely to me.

ah you make a good point. I didn't notice it was a traitor chairs. That changes my views a decent amount.

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ok. so there is still a chance that there is an SK and gkrieg didn't shoot. Thats not what completely what I believe right now tho. If there is  no SK it does paint datswan pretty badly though.

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Hey! I'm not dead. thats great.

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Vote: Lalight

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EFHW is the one I like the most and the one closest to getting lynched so i think keeping my vote there is fine? but getting 5 votes might be hard if gkrieg can't vote.

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unfortunatly I have to go to sleep right away here.

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I'm feeling

Vote: EFHW

honestly

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I have no idea whats happening by the way.

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It's pretty suspicious to absorb people's powers...
WCD did, and she was town.

Wcd was a survivor

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I think morgrim has basically already claimed but I think our claims are the same. We are both masons and share a QT that is always open. We are both cops that shared the power. We had 2cop shots. One would return incorrect and one would turn correct. We weren't allowed to choose ourselves with the shot. We could choose who would do the cop action. N1: morgrim used it on iguana and N2: I used it on silver.

Both results turned up as town so I don't know how that happened.

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Ok list time. Sorry it took so long.

Space.
Dat.
Efhw.
Gkrieg.
Chairs.
Galz.
Morg.
Hydrad

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I guess I havn't posted since we suggested claiming. I think claiming is good and ya me and morgrim are talking about it we just are missing each other slightly in timing of messages. Sorry!

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Question for everyone: if you don't think silver targeted Swan in the night and died as a result, which other option (from the ones I just posted) are you suggesting is the true explanation, and what other decisions are you making based on that belief?


1) This could be potentially valuable information, especially if I am lynched today. silverspawn did NOT target me - just want to make that super clear. As in I did NOT receive a message saying he targeted me. Which is valuable info even if I get lynched today - Just cuz the kill would go off last in the resolution I believe (I have not confirmed that yet). This means that even if they targeted me, I would of got a message. So as Space #4 is like the most unlikely of options, and if they were killed at night I would of got a message, I think that either they were re-directed onto skum or they did not get the WV ability and they were killed. Unlikely that skum would of killed them, but SK would have to be aware they need to start offing skum if the SK exists.

2) I have to concede at this point that the crumb is fairly obvious. So, IMO it absolutely cannot be option #4  in Space's list. That would be so anti town for him to lay that out there and then switch because if he dies at night he obv puts me in this situation and then that's 2 dead town... I mean he wouldn't know I am town, but still I don't see any reason for his last post to be that crumb and then to switch given the potential downside.

3) In regards to #3, I do not at all see why people are hesitant to believe skum would redirect silver onto one of their own team mates. If this crumb silver left was SO obvious to everyone, then what is the downside of them not doing it? I am assuming that skum did not know what silver's role was, but as Space mentioned they made it a big deal to point out the use of the word "visit" and all that - so I don't think it is a stretch for skum to assume upon using that forced sentence at the end of day yesterday, that SS may just be some form of weak visitor.

3 SOUNDS like a paranoia theory, but really just run it through, it is not that far fetched.


On the other hand, #4 here is absolutely a paranoia theory, but I am putting it out there anyway:
4) The next of silverspawn's potential abilities was the no vote power. What if Skum followed all logic listed under the assumption that SS was WV, but instead SSrolled no vote. And now today we have GK with a No Vote ability on them. Yeah, it's a reach but I wanna throw it out there.

The QT opening thing is not relevant unless somehow Skum new silver's role. Which is unlikely.



Summary:

1) If everyone noticed silver's stance on the use of the word "visit" and using it as a crumb at the end of day yesterday.... and said crumb they left on me was so obvious to most - then why would it be weird for skum to re-direct silver onto a team mate? That is essentially an extra kill for them if SS is a WV of sorts.

2) With the crumb they left, combined with their previous statments about using the term "visit", I do not think it is possible that silver rolled the WV role and chose anyone but me.

3) I did NOT receive a message saying silver targeted me at night. So, assuming I am right about the resolution, they did not roll WV and also get killed at night.

4) If the no vote ability is directable, then the fact that GK has no vote is suspicious imo.

5) The last role of "opening a 1 day QT" is irrelevant unless skum somehow knew silver's actual role.

All in all, I do not think that is could be #4. I think it is suspicious of Space to question their #3 after they made all the points about SS using the term "weak" and pointing out how obvious the crumb was, that it would be weird for skum to re-direct onto their own. I know for a fact it is not #2. I think it is potentially also likely that if an SK is in play, they would consider targeting silver - I am basing that on my bias that I thought SS was coming off as skummy and if there is an SK they would want to kill skum at night at this point.

one thing is its harder to notice breadcrumbs when you don't know what role they are yet. I would be impressed if scum figured out from that SS post that he was a WK. But once someone flips you can go back and kinda see potential breadcrumbs.

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@ Masons - You were both on Awaclus lynch Day 1. You must of talked about it. What was the deciding factor to vote there for you?

I'll be honest there isn't a ton of talking that we are doing. I think I need to be talking in it more.

Personally my vote for it was there was a couple hours till deadline and I wasn't going to be on at deadline and the only other potential was maybe silver but it felt far away? I guess I could have left it on silver instead when I went to sleep but they are both town now so I guess either way my choice was bad there.

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gkreig. I don't know if you think you should say or not. Do you know why you can't vote or did you at least choose to have that happen? or was it unexpected.

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Does anyone other than Swan think that silver wasn't clearly breadcrumbing Swan at the end of D2?

I think he was breadcrumbing it.

But from the wording of his role it sounds like there was only like a 25% chance that he would get that role that he breadcrumbed. Because until the night started he wouldn't know what power he had right?

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Hydrad, would claiming your flavor be useful?

I really don't know if it would help/hurt since I don't know the flavor at all

I don't think I should claim my flavor today. Tommorow I think I could but I don't think I should here.

I would be okay with a mass claim.

I’m Hydrad’s partner.

I believe both of them primarily because of this. Morgrim claimed Detective Zimmerfield D1. His partner is Detective Estevez. Had Hydrad claimed such yesterday, it would’ve outted Morgrim yesterday, something he was trying not to do - especially with Morgrim being MIA and not being able to chime in.

For this to be faked, it would’ve needed to be planned from D1 with Morgrim’s claim.

and ya I guess i should confirm.

I am Estevez. I had a feeling someone would figure it out even if i died last night so thats partially why i didn't think claiming was a huge deal yesterday either.

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Test vote: galz

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I would be okay with a mass claim.

I’m Hydrad’s partner.

confirming.

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« on: September 30, 2018, 10:49:13 pm »
I was thinking of this. I guess he did give a reason.

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.

To be super clear - it would be anti town given the options at foot for Hydrad to state their partner. The partner needs to speak up.

While I won't state it now. is it a terrible idea to try to save the person to potentially get a late game IC? although D3 is decently late.

i've thought about it more since then and I don't really mind. we could be at lylo already for all i know.

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