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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 3)

« on: July 23, 2014, 01:12:13 pm »

I didn't use my shot because I knew they had a strongman and I was hoping to hold out until we lynched him. It was likely a mistake and I will definitely remember that for future games.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 3)

« on: July 23, 2014, 12:46:21 pm »

Before you claim my vote is OMGUS, try giving me some actual evidence. I've asked for it so many times now and you keep avoiding my direct question.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 3)

« on: July 23, 2014, 12:27:14 pm »

This game has seriously gotten out of hand, no one has responded to why they're voting for me except the fact this game has stalled (which is NOT my fault, as your logic seems to imply). I merely asked for some explanation besides a "gut feeling" or my lack of previous scrutiny. How does the deafening silence convince you I'm scum? Please give me actual reasons, here!

I honestly don't know what I can do here except claim. I am a one shot Doctor. I have not used my shot yet. I wasn't really sure when the right time would be, and after D1, we were sure there was a scum strongman so I was trying to hold out until we at least found him. My shot will be a waste until he's gone, and my claim now makes my shot likely useless, since they have both a role blocker and a strongman.

At this point, I feel like Robz has had almost no scrutiny and seems to be targeting me for pretty terrible reasons. It also seems like he is trying to partner himself with ashersky, who I'm still going to assume is not the grandfather is actually town.

Vote: Robz888

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Night 2)

« on: July 20, 2014, 03:41:59 pm »

I guess I'm still confused about the case on me. I guess I understand that I haven't been scrutinized as much as some other people, but that does not make me scum. People also seem to be inclined to vote me because I'm a newbie. "An under scrutinized newbie has to be scum, right?"

I'm honestly surprised about the Faust flip. I really thought we had caught scum in a lie, there. I am going to go back and reread the past two days and offer my thoughts, because this game has me pretty confused now.

As for my wagon, does anyone have any actual reasons for thinking I'm scum? It's day 3 now, reads need to be based on more than lack of previous scrutiny and gut instinct. I don't feel like I have any actual reasons to comment on or reply to, here.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 16, 2014, 12:47:40 pm »

The wagon forming on me really odd...everyone basically has a giant question mark after it. Ash's argument makes no sense and ADK and Robz both just randomly picked me.

Considering I missed the VLA post from EgorK and I still find the faust case to be pretty good, I'm moving my vote back to him. Vote: faust This is L-1 if I counted correctly.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 16, 2014, 09:27:13 am »

We do need to lynch someone.  Deadline is tomorrow.

I think a newbie is scum.

Why do you think that? I think newbie scum would be more involved than newbie town.

I think a newbie scum would be afraid of saying the wrong thing.

When was I afraid of saying the wrong thing? I've basically said everything that's popped into my head.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 15, 2014, 10:18:44 am »

This may be true, but the fact that you point it out to us almost makes me think you are encouraging us to see past this as a possible scum maneuver. You may have picked the worst fake claim to specifically give us false town reads on you. It's a safe claim to make as either town OR scum, as other people have pointed out.

I'm not sure what you mean by "It's a safe claim to make as either town OR scum".. what is a town safe claim?

Good point, my meaning was lost. All claims are safe town claims, but some are more "confirmable" than others. A safer town claim would be one that is harder/impossible for scum to fake claim.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 15, 2014, 09:56:17 am »

Ah, I must have missed that post.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 14, 2014, 11:27:53 pm »

I've thought about this for a bit and I think that if we're lynching out of the people who have claimed, I'm okay lynching Sudgy today. If he's telling the truth, well he's also used his shot, so he's just a VT now, and it gives us some info regarding ash's alignment and what scum did with the RB last night.

But, I think we're lynching out of people who haven't claimed, we should decide that soon and start discussing it. Deadline is coming up.  In that situation I would be very comfortable lynching WW. This looks like nervous scum to me:

Pretty sure everyone just throws me in on the scumlist automatically now.

He's made that kind of flippant comment as scum before, and he had an out of the blue "I'm-joking-but-not-really" comment on day one about me not saying he was scum yet. Looking over his posts it kind of seems like he's putting himself in the discussion just enough to seem present without actually driving it in a particular direction, which is something I've seen from him before. It's enough for me to

Vote: WW

As I was catching up, it occurred to me that everyone was fixated on the sudgy/ashersky interaction, and the faust case. We have 10 people remaining who aren't 100% confirmed (chairs, sudgy or faust could still technically be lying, though I find chairs and sudgy lying extremely unlikely). We've BARELY looked at EgorK (who appears to be absent for this whole day so far), mcmc, WW, ADK, Robz, and myself.

Let's assume chairs and sudgy are not lying, and that ash is not the godfather. This leaves faust, EgorK, mcmc, WW, ADK, and Robz as the possible scum (in my point of view). 3/6 scum. With the lack of a D1 lynch, scum is probably sitting pretty comfortably while we debate about who's lying, who's not, etc. Where is EgorK? From my perspective, it's 50% likely that he's scum assuming Occam's razor for the rest of the claims.

Granted, that reasoning means I could randomly pick any of those 6, but EgorK has been suspiciously lurky. I'm still willing to move my vote to any of them provided a good case. It's hard for me to get on board with cases based purely on "this isn't how they usually act" because I don't have that context. Logical slips, though, yes. Lurking, yes.

Vote: EgorK

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 14, 2014, 11:14:38 pm »

This is such a fake claim, robz is also scum and helping protect his partner, robz claiming we should just "hope ash isn't a godfather" is the most ridiculous statement...

I don't think it's ridiculous. Doesn't scum Godfather ash have some concern that town!sudgy investigates his partner, and roleblock him anyway? It's unnecessarily risky play in my book.

Oh for clarification I agree with what you just said, if ash is a scum godfather, I doubt he...would have risked not blocking sudgy so if ash is scum sudgy has to be scum(or likely enough to just cross our fingers)

Okay in the middle of typing that I now understand what your saying, I still find you scummy for defending Faust but not nearly as much as before.

I think ash and sudgy are both town, no gambit.

I'm typing my thoughts as I read through the posts, and it looks like you are on the same line of thinking as me and you answered my above question. Disregard.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 14, 2014, 11:13:19 pm »

This is such a fake claim, robz is also scum and helping protect his partner, robz claiming we should just "hope ash isn't a godfather" is the most ridiculous statement...

I don't think it's ridiculous. Doesn't scum Godfather ash have some concern that town!sudgy investigates his partner, and roleblock him anyway? It's unnecessarily risky play in my book.

mcmc, are you talking about sudgy's claim being fake?

I already discussed my reasons for believing both ash and sudgy are town, and this is just another point for that. Seems like scum!ash and his scum team would not have taken the risk and roleblocked sudgy anyway. I'm still thinking about why they would do such a thing (not roleblock him)...doesn't really seem to be a good reason to NOT do so (I'm glad they didn't though! Gives us a lot to work with today)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 14, 2014, 11:08:05 pm »

I was the major wagon, and the game was stalling. Plus, I most likely wont use my PR anyway, so why should I not claim? And it's the worst fakeclaim possible.

This may be true, but the fact that you point it out to us almost makes me think you are encouraging us to see past this as a possible scum maneuver. You may have picked the worst fake claim to specifically give us false town reads on you. It's a safe claim to make as either town OR scum, as other people have pointed out.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 14, 2014, 11:04:43 pm »

Looks to me like scum ash recognizing the ground is shifting against his faust case, and that he needs to do some anti-sudgy stuff in case we go that direction.

Vote: sudgy. If he's scum I'd say ashersky is also scum, if he's town, I think ashersky is definitively cleared. (Ash = Godfather would be horrible, let's just keep our fingers crossed against that.) This is a better lynch.

Not sure I agree with the sudgy vote here. If you are wondering whether ashersky is scum (though sudgy cleared him with his one shot), I'd say it's better to just lynch ashersky directly.

I know this was brought up, but I think the three most likely options are that 1) scum!sudgy is WIFOMing and is telling the truth about ashersky (that he's actually town); 2) town!sudgy is telling the truth and ashersky is actually town; 3) town!sudgy found ash the Godfather.

Of those 3, statistically, 2 is the most likely scenario. Occam's razor likes it the best too. If we take into account sudgy's extraordinarily towny behavior at the very tail end D1, I'd say scenario 2 is almost certainly correct. Assuming sudgy is town, then there is a 1/8 chance from my point of view (not me, not sudgy himself, not scott_pilgrim, and not Eevee out of the original 12) that ash is the grandfather. This is still very low.

For today, I am going to work under the assumption that both sudgy and ashersky are town, and we should find another lynch.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 14, 2014, 10:53:07 pm »

But you are probably right.  I'd actually be open to a VT kill on purpose to help with POE.  Volunteer only, only really replaces the missing D1 lynch.

Killing off confirmed town helps with POE? You mean one of us who haven't already claimed anything? (So not chairs, even though he claimed VT already?) Because if you mean chairs or sudgy (who is basically VT now), then that doesn't really help with POE at all.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 14, 2014, 05:22:58 pm »

Well I haven't checked in on this much over the weekend, but looks like I have a lot of catching up to do. I skimmed enough to know that for now, I will unvote. More thoughts/analysis as soon as I get the opportunity to write it all out.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 2)

« on: July 11, 2014, 02:02:04 pm »

Faust got extremely defensive when mcmc and ash started pointing out some discrepancies in his voting patterns D1. While I'm not 100% convinced ash is town, it seems pretty likely if we are to believe sudgy is town (which I do, considering his frustration post after he thought he was lynched). Given that ash is likely town, faust is acting almost nervous about the case against him, which he claims is "wrong, wrong, wrong" and non-existent.

Vote: faust

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 09, 2014, 08:59:34 pm »

What about ADK?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 07, 2014, 06:58:13 pm »

Yeah, the frantic voting here at the end has me flustered but I think sudgy may be fake claiming.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 07, 2014, 06:57:15 pm »

Is sudgy fake claiming to get out of a lynch today?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 07, 2014, 06:56:36 pm »

Uh....

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 07, 2014, 06:53:54 pm »

Vote: sudgy agree with ash

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 07, 2014, 06:50:48 pm »

azadin, I think we will end the day with a no lynch if you don't move your vote back to chairs

Even if I do, who would hammer him? I actually believe his claim...his behavior here at the end has been extremely towny.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 07, 2014, 06:47:22 pm »

Vote: scott_pilgrim

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 07, 2014, 06:45:53 pm »

If I have to vote sudgy to get a lynch, I will. Better than no lynch.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)

« on: July 07, 2014, 06:44:19 pm »

Hmm....do we have enough time to get a lynch on someone else? I'd be ok with the SP lynch, I still don't like the sudgy lynch.