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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 03:54:09 pm »
Quote
1. If the target has performed multiple actions on you, you get to choose, instead of "most recent"
2. After picking your target to copy an action from, you then get to pick the new target.

if either of that is true, it's not worth empowering lannister. they are pretty weak.

but, for all we know, it could also be

" you get a list with all abilities that have been used against any of your house in the previous night. choose any two these abilities and use them on any targets outside of your house "

which would be super strong

I don't really buy that a weak original ability implicated a weak empowered ability. for balance purposes, a contrary argument could even be made.

Well, what about the fact that my plan empowers 2 Houses instead of 1? And doesn't seem to ruin Targ empowerment down the line, as WW seems fine with the idea of Lannister dying in general.

I think the main argument against disassembling Lannister right now is that it only requires 3 moves just to see what it is. We don't know what it is, and it could be a very useful town power. The only con to doing so is that some people will lose a potential move. If we dissolve it, that's it. There's no going back.

PPE: 2

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 03:52:07 pm »
Mmm, don't like it. I mean, it's alright, but a powered up bodyguard is not much use if it doesn't have a PR to protect, and this only leaves the Targs (that we know of).

Huh? Bodyguard can protect WW, anyone who becomes a consensus town read, etc. even ignoring for possible town PRs.

I'm really hoping we didn't misread the misplay there by calling him IC. If he turns out to be scum, then wow. We are basing our entire strategy on him being IC (not that I disagree with this).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 02:29:21 pm »
There is no way we can dissolve the houses. It gives scum way too much power with their singular night kill when town is left with nothing. I seriously believe our best bet at this point is to move around, see what sort of empowerment the house powers get, and go from there. If we truly believe that dissolving the PRs will give town an advantage, we can always do that day 2.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 01:37:31 pm »
Not "anyone who has passed through" Baratheon will count for empowering Lannister, you need an original memeber of the house, or at least tha's how I understood it.

QTs aren't necessarily pro-scum. They generally are though.

So huh, would you be pro or anti dissolving Baratheon? Because right now, unless we empower them just to check, I think they are a liability for town, save for the extra QT. If the consensus is that QTs are pro-scum, I'm in favour of dissolving the House.

I guess we could send people there today and dissolve it tomorrow, just to have spare Baratheons for the Lannisters, but that's about it.

I should mention that our empowerment condition only requires players having been sworn to the remaining houses, not all of the original houses.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 01:35:20 pm »
Surely a Lannister can answer whether "passing through" is enough to qualify, but this post makes me think it does.

Lannister's EMpowerment is that the House needs to (collectively) have been sworn to the other Houses. So a former Stark/Targ, and a former Baratheon, in a 6-player House would be enough, for example.

I confirm this. Passing through is sufficient.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 12:07:11 pm »
I absolutely do not want Baratheon empowered. I still lean towards abandoning them.

Are you ok with my proposal of moves, then? It doesn't abandon Baratheon, but doesn't empower them, either. Leaves 3 people there for accountability purposes.

Though EgorK is also suspiciously non-active and he's in there.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 11:51:10 am »

What that's wrong. My way had 5 in baratheon so that we would also be empowered. 1 stark would join us and one other person as you only have 12 there

Not if we lynch you. That makes 12. I could be talked into rearranging some moves if we want to empower 2 houses tonight, but I'm not sure it's worth the risk.

This actually made me think of another of question: if Baratheon does become empowered (they have to have made the king by having a majority of members, no?), do they become de-empowered if they lose the throne?

PPE: 1, looks like XP thought of the same thing.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 11:43:36 am »
My earlier suspicion of Hydrad has only gotten stronger the longer I've thought about it, and pacovf outlined some of the specific posts that were sticking out in my mind (especially that self aware joke...but I'm not going to get into a recursive meta discussion right now).

Vote: Hydrad

My proposal, if we do in fact lynch Hydrad are as follows:
  • Ichi to Baratheon
  • a Baratheon to Lannister
  • a Stark to Lannister
  • a Targaryen (Witherweaver?) to Lannister
  • a Lannister to Stark
  • 2 Lannisters to Baratheon

We still need to figure out specific people for (2), (3), (5), and (6).

This would leave us with the following:

Lannister
  • 4 members
  • empowered
  • Joffrey on Iron Throne (strongman Hand of the King)

Stark
  • 3 members
  • not empowered

Targaryen
  • 2 members
  • not empowered

Baratheon
  • 3 members
  • not empowered

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 15, 2014, 11:41:55 am »
  • Power:
    Copy the latest night Action of a targeted Player, with him as the new target

That would actually be a very strong power, but you are missing a condition. You copy the latest night Action that targeted player has done on you. There's a world of difference in power.


This could be Lannister's empowered power, actually. Though that would be pretty strong, I think.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:42:12 pm »
Also, if one of Ash's main points against pacovf were his seemingly excited post nature (new scum apparently get giddy and post differently), I'd like to point out that I got this exact impression by Hydrad. He seemed to be posting lots of small bursts of things, none of which were directly helpful (except his revealing of his house's power). Granted, I've never played a game with him before, and haven't had a chance to go back and read previous games he's been in. Just noting suspicion. Everyone seems so hyperfocused on this one case (ash/pacovf), it's like the rest of everyone else's posts are invisible.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:36:44 pm »
Time to sleep for me, by a long shot.

Anyway, it looks like only Teproc and I are interested in discussing the setup seriously (which I find frankly disappointing, by the way), and since we basically agree that we should empower Lannister, I don't think it is strictly necessary to talk much more about it. If you disagree about our conclusion, I welcome your opinion; if it has reasons backing it up, all the better.
Once we decide who to lynch today, and before we hammer, we'll have to organize who goes where, and make sure that everybody has moved, and only then lynch. I would consider anyone hammering before we made sure that everybody has changed houses obvscum.

This is all to say that I will start scumhunting tomorrow.

Being still very new to forum mafia, I don't know the meta of anyone, really. So this ash/pacovf thing has me confused, but my instincts are telling me that they are both town. I don't agree with ash's case, but I think his forcefulness on it is protown. paco hasn't struck me as being jumpy or nervous that he's caught. I think his exasperation is normal and somewhat of a town tell.

I am also more interested in discussing set up until we have a solidified plan (exactly who is moving where so we can do what) before we get too focused on the scumhunting. I think we need to wrap up our setup plans ASAP so we can have as much time as possible to figure out who we want to lynch.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 14, 2014, 03:23:20 pm »
Actually, never mind. I don't think we should share unless there's an overwhelming consensus. I just realized that chances are robz is town.
FYI, chances are 27% if 3-scum-team, and 36% if 4-scum-team from your point of view, assuming both you and WW are town, that there is at least one scum in Targaryen. They are reasonable, but I wouldn't say they are good enough to be worth the risk of you thinking that scum doesn't know about your power while they actually do, and keeping town in the darkness.

And of course, from the outside, the odds of scum being in Targaryen, assuming WW is town, are 50% if 3-scum-team, and 60% if 4-scum-team, which are anything but good.

What?

The numbers can be found with some elementary maths. But if there is anything I can explain, I will gladly do so.
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My gut instinct told me those numbers were off, but I just did the math and you are correct. You rounded a bit which is what threw me (it's definitely not exactly 50%, closer to 47%, but close enough).

PPE: 2

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 14, 2014, 02:08:29 pm »
But you said "actively empower our house". 

I guess the issue is that the only action available is killing.

"Actively empower" could also mean actively attempting to persuade Lannister to leave their house. It doesn't mean the only available action is killing.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 14, 2014, 12:14:01 pm »
Actually, never mind. I don't think we should share unless there's an overwhelming consensus. I just realized that chances are robz is town.
FYI, chances are 27% if 3-scum-team, and 36% if 4-scum-team from your point of view, assuming both you and WW are town, that there is at least one scum in Targaryen. They are reasonable, but I wouldn't say they are good enough to be worth the risk of you thinking that scum doesn't know about your power while they actually do, and keeping town in the darkness.

And of course, from the outside, the odds of scum being in Targaryen, assuming WW is town, are 50% if 3-scum-team, and 60% if 4-scum-team, which are anything but good.

What?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:55:41 am »
The night is dark and full of terrors.

Haha, this cracked me up for some reason.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:52:28 am »
House roles are pseudo-unkillable: if you kill one, another one takes its spot.

I am kinda assuming that Stark's empowered power is Doctor, because it makes a lot of sense. Could be something else, but in the end it's still a protective role, so it doesn't really matter.

Hence, pseudo-unkillable protective role + investigative role = profit.

I'm still going through the posts, but I need to post this thought before I lose it:

I have a sneaking suspicion that Lannister's empowered power is full Cop, and the Stark's is full doctor. Not that this makes sense from a flavour view, but think about it. Stark's first power is bodyguard. Doctor is an obvious "upgrade" to this. Our (Lannister) role is like a dumbed-down investigative type thing where we choose another player and learn something about them (though now that I think about it, it's not purely investigative because we also perform the action back). Still, my original thought was that instead of blindly being able to reflect actions, an empowered condition would also reveal some information about the targeted player.

Now, for BALANCE purposes, having pseudo-unkillable doctor AND super-cop would be absolutely insane. It's my thought that the reason the Stark's bodyguard -> doctor upgrade is contingent on Lannister being dissolved is so that combination can never actually happen.

This assumes our empowered power is a cop/investigative type thing, which I'm not positive about, but does make some sense.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:02:50 am »
@Robz: you were originally very much in favour of sharing your house power. What is your opinion now?

@Azadin: you mentioned that you were going to do a more thorough reread. How is it coming along?

@EgorK: do you have any opinion on what has been said until now?

Alright, back from being away from internet. Starting my reread now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 11, 2014, 10:07:36 pm »
Ok, caught up. There was a lot of stuff there to process, but I can say that Hydrad has posted pretty often, so I'm not sure why Voltaire didn't realize this. As for everything else, I mostly skimmed so I didn't get any obvious reads. I will do a more thorough read in a few to look for that.

I've noticed a couple things. There is ash's case against pacovf, Witherweaver/Teproc mod mixup making WW an IC (not convinced on this yet, but there was discussion), and discussion on whether we should reveal our house powers.

Ash seems to be acting town, but I'm not 100% convinced on his case on pacovf yet (I will try to do a more thorough read to look for reads). I agree with him that there is likely only one scum faction.

How likely is it that scum are spread out enough that they know most of the house powers already? If they do, it's severely to our disadvantage to keep them secret from each other. I think that the opposite scenario (where they don't already know the majority of the house powers), is helpful to neither team. That makes me think it would be to town's advantage to reveal our house powers, so we can coordinate allegiances to utilize the best ones.

PPE: 2

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 11, 2014, 09:51:31 pm »
Will post more in a bit, but for now, I am also Lannister, if that wasn't clear already.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 11, 2014, 09:38:32 pm »
Here, catching up. (Still have limited internet access until this weekend, as I mentioned in my sign up post).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (2 spots left!)
« on: September 01, 2014, 11:26:13 pm »
/in

I'll be out of town sept 6-12 with limited internet access, so if we start sometime after that, that would be awesome.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Game over : Scum wins !)
« on: August 01, 2014, 03:18:17 pm »
Probably a good thing I was lynched a few days ago, as I've been super busy IRL.

Just caught up on the end of the game. That was a lot of fun! I definitely enjoyed my first foray into Mafia and look forward to more games.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: JSH's Art Rankings
« on: July 25, 2014, 08:46:44 pm »
My question is, how is she sprinting with all that armor on?

It's Shardplate.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 3)
« on: July 23, 2014, 01:50:12 pm »
I feel like everyone is just sorta ignoring this game, which sucks that it's my first experience here. And now I'm at L-1 because I wasn't sure how to get the game moving again.

As I'm basically a VT now (scum has both role blocker AND strongman, so my one shot is useless), I guess I made a mistake even claiming my PR because it doesn't help anyone but scum. Just realized this. Sigh, I guess I'm learning a lot at least.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 3)
« on: July 23, 2014, 01:35:39 pm »
I didn't use my shot because I knew they had a strongman and I was hoping to hold out until we lynched him. It was likely a mistake and I will definitely remember that for future games.

You did not know they had a strongman, 1-shot doc could be E, you knew we had EMM, plenty of T's left to make the team have no strongman...

Yes I did. We knew there was at least MM at the start of day 1. By day 2, sudgy's claim was believable (and if you go back and look, I believed it, and still do). That means at least 3 rolls non-T. Mine put it at 4, which guarantees scum a roleblocker and strongman.

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