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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 31, 2014, 12:52:49 pm »
Okay cool! Thanks! You can hammer, I'll leave my vote on ADK.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 31, 2014, 12:22:08 pm »
I still think ADK is the scummiest of all, but I think MCMC is a close second. I've been against him for a while. I think his arguments against shraeye are horrible constructed. I think the claim was problematic. He's appealing to emotion, which I think is just a bad defense at this point. I would be okay switching my vote.
That being said: newbie question - would just switching my vote and ending the discussion and the remaining time we have be bad to do? Would it be taboo to just switch and end d1?
That being said: newbie question - would just switching my vote and ending the discussion and the remaining time we have be bad to do? Would it be taboo to just switch and end d1?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 30, 2014, 05:38:04 pm »He puts on a very helpful and reasonable persona, all while hanging back and giving pretty ambivalent reads on everyone. It's only once a number of people are on the mc wagon that he starts backing it up...........Volt is pushing the wagon long after it's gotten started, and is still hedging his bets with his "I'm not sure he's scum but I'll lynch him anyway."
Vote: Voltaire
I really don't think volt is being ambivalent. He clearly says he thinks MCMC is scum, even if it's not 100%. And given that people were just discussing why it's good to lynch even if it's mislynch a few posts before, how he followed up saying he wasn't a hundred percent makes a lot of sense.
I now have a pretty big town read on WW and Nik, and I am leaning town on shraeye.
So you have town reads on: Shraeye, Nik, ww, and mcmc?
I see you saw it, but to explain why I now feel bad about mcmc, the post I quoted by shraeye is a big problem, and independently I am finding shraeye more likely to be town (he brought up that he is frequently nightkilled - why tell that to newbies who will then grow suspicious as he keeps living, if he's scum? WIFOM and all that, but it doesn't seem like something you need to do).
I'm not 100% convinced mcmc is scum, I still want to hear from him, and there are other people I'd be happy lynching, but mcmc is now a good lynch in my book.
What I think is more surprising is that ADK, throughout this entire game, keeps only attacking people while defending people. This seems like a good ploy for scum too. He is able to defend a player, say "no they're not being scummy!" While flipping it around and attacking the person who is was attacking first. It allows hi to seem good to the town, while not being too aggressive, and he still gets to create confusion and mislynch.
I brought up his meta history. He shows another game he has played and said he's now just paranoid, but I don't think that really follows. If he was really paranoid of early mislynch es, he wouldn't be making these obviously faulty cases against people (like accusing Ichimaru gin of being too generic when he attacked me, accusing me of making a conspiracy (and them realizing he didn't read carefully enough and attacking Ichimaru gin), and now he's protecting MCMC and switching his vote to a very unstable case against Voltaire.)
I think he's very scummy, maybe even more than MCMC.
vote: ADK
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 29, 2014, 05:08:05 pm »
Just so everyone knows. I real life prodded ADK but he's at work until later, so he might be a few hours to reply.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 29, 2014, 03:52:39 pm »
1. Nik - I get a pretty bored townie read on him. Not a lot to comment on because he's been fairly inactive.
2. Witherweaver - I thought his questions where suspicious at first, but I'm getting a townie read on him now.
3. Delirious Deleuze - Definitely a town.
4. Ichimaru Gin - I think the case against me wasn't artificial, but that I was acting odd (because it was my first real post) and I think gin's response was genuine. I'm leaning townie.
5. mcmcsalot - I still feel very scummy here. I've posted above why. I still feel he's not really being responsive to anything we said about him eariler, or maybe it's just that I don't read his responses as true. I'm really leaning with Shraeye here. On top of that, Shraeye's form of questioning is made to force people to answer things, even if the questions aren't right. There answers give a lot away. It'd make sense that scum would start accusing the questioning shraeye to try to get him mislynched and then avoiding being discovered by shraeye's questions. I feel very scummy coming from MCMC, which is why my votes on him.
6. shraeye - As above, I feel his questioning method is very townie and trying to get scum to reveal themselves through answers. I don't feel anything he did was really that scummy.
7. faust - null
8. Voltaire- null
9. ADK - I've noticed something weird, or at least I think I did. I've looked over his past posts, and his meta-paradigm or whatever usually is much more accusative or at the very least, he makes more new responses in other games.
In this game though, ADK has only been accusative when defending other players. He has never just argued someone is acting scummy, rather he sees someone else being accused of being scummy, defends them and while defending them says the other person is scummy. It happened when he defended me from Ichimaru Gin, it happened when Gin and I talked about the conspiracy. I think this behavior could be neutral (he really is trying to be safe and defend people) or maybe he's trying a new meta this game, but I definitely think it's suspicious and feels scummy to me.
In all,
Scummy: MCMC
Possible Scum: ADK, Ichimaru Gin,
Null: Faust, Voltaire
Townie: WW, DeDe, Nik, Shraeye
PPE 3: I don't agree that ADK is more scummy than MCMC but he's definitely fishy. Then again, I don't have a very large meta-knowledge here
2. Witherweaver - I thought his questions where suspicious at first, but I'm getting a townie read on him now.
3. Delirious Deleuze - Definitely a town.
4. Ichimaru Gin - I think the case against me wasn't artificial, but that I was acting odd (because it was my first real post) and I think gin's response was genuine. I'm leaning townie.
5. mcmcsalot - I still feel very scummy here. I've posted above why. I still feel he's not really being responsive to anything we said about him eariler, or maybe it's just that I don't read his responses as true. I'm really leaning with Shraeye here. On top of that, Shraeye's form of questioning is made to force people to answer things, even if the questions aren't right. There answers give a lot away. It'd make sense that scum would start accusing the questioning shraeye to try to get him mislynched and then avoiding being discovered by shraeye's questions. I feel very scummy coming from MCMC, which is why my votes on him.
6. shraeye - As above, I feel his questioning method is very townie and trying to get scum to reveal themselves through answers. I don't feel anything he did was really that scummy.
7. faust - null
8. Voltaire- null
9. ADK - I've noticed something weird, or at least I think I did. I've looked over his past posts, and his meta-paradigm or whatever usually is much more accusative or at the very least, he makes more new responses in other games.
In this game though, ADK has only been accusative when defending other players. He has never just argued someone is acting scummy, rather he sees someone else being accused of being scummy, defends them and while defending them says the other person is scummy. It happened when he defended me from Ichimaru Gin, it happened when Gin and I talked about the conspiracy. I think this behavior could be neutral (he really is trying to be safe and defend people) or maybe he's trying a new meta this game, but I definitely think it's suspicious and feels scummy to me.
In all,
Scummy: MCMC
Possible Scum: ADK, Ichimaru Gin,
Null: Faust, Voltaire
Townie: WW, DeDe, Nik, Shraeye
PPE 3: I don't agree that ADK is more scummy than MCMC but he's definitely fishy. Then again, I don't have a very large meta-knowledge here
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 28, 2014, 09:49:52 pm »
I will post a more substantial response tomorrow, but I'm closing where I work and opening tomorrow morning, so I'm not going to have time to do a good post before 3 tomorrow
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 28, 2014, 05:12:57 pm »On a more serious note, does anyone find the argument between Shraeye and mcmc slightly contrived?
What are the odds that this is a scum ploy (we are looking for a 2 man team after all)?
Of course, I really don't know anything about either of their metas, but it still seems a little over-blown to me.
What would be the upshot for them? That we lynch one of them today and don't suspect the other? Seems kind of dangerous given that there are only two scum. (We know for certain that's the case? And no third parties?)
This is what I thought. Seems too risky of a move.
Day 2 would start with 6 town, one scum. If there was a mislynch, Day 3 would be 4 town 1 scum. A ML would leave day 4 still 2 town one scum. Doesn't seem worth it.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 28, 2014, 05:06:30 pm »Also. No idea why there's a wink face on my last post. The forum is loading really slowly for me right now, like a full 20 seconds before whatever I post goes through.
Miswink. Obvious scum tell.
He's laughing at us. SWITCH VOTES TO THIS SKUM! He even said he has a scum partner.
PPE: that's an interesting theory, gin. It's worth rereading. It really does seem over blown, but then again, I don't think shraeye is engaging it to much. The big dust seems to be flying from MCMC. But that could be planned. I don't know. It's worth following. I just don't know if it'd be in there interest to try to possibly get one of them lynched just to lull us into thinking one is a townie.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 28, 2014, 04:59:25 pm »Why did you Unvote?
Is this at me? If so it's because I have said. I my original vote on shraeye was largely based on his reactivity rather than activity and I felt he was using that(the ability to react to older posts) to paint people as scummy. Another large part of my part of my vote was that I though shraeye was disagreeing with me that nolynch is a bad thing to me. He then clarified by saying he simply disagreed that it is always a bad choice, and he started to post(I felt like) on more current things and was being more active than reactive. All the led to me unvoting.
Shraeye then put pressure on me for that which I find him scummy. I feel as though shraeye is taking everything is say as scummy no matter what, he disagreed/questioned my no lynch policy(which is correct ask any other vet) he jumped on me after asking me to answer a question in a way that seemed as though there was no answer I could have given where he wasn't going to jump on me(we have recently seen another mafia player do this and get caught) he has since argued that my explanations for why I voted and unvoted him are wrong(they are my reasons maybe the time stamps of posts don't agree but it's how I felt) so this is why I find him very argumentative and trying to paint me scummy no matter what I do.
He was responding to everyone, not just you. His posts were pretty all encompassing until you starting freaking out and acting very defensive. It's enough for a vote from me for now.
Unvote.
Vote:MCMC
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 28, 2014, 02:19:08 pm »
Why did you Unvote?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 28, 2014, 02:16:26 pm »
I don't feel shraeye is being up realistically or uncharacteristically abrasive. He posted a bunch of questions all at once because he wasn't active until then. He answered direct questions people posted to him, and continued with questions of his own.
He even explains why he is overly questioning things as a good starting point.
He asks MCMC to answer a few questions and it's only at this point that MCMC really starts lashing out and claiming shraeye was being scummy.
Which is kind of ironic because MCMC asked shraeye questions and then responded by calling him scummy for his aggressive responses and questions. It feels like MCMC is just trying to take pressure off himself.
I really don't see anything particularly weird about Shraeyes responses and questions, but MCMCs response was quite defensive. Shraeye is right that the Unvote was out of places specially given that when shraeye asked more questions, he began to call him scummy.
He even explains why he is overly questioning things as a good starting point.
He asks MCMC to answer a few questions and it's only at this point that MCMC really starts lashing out and claiming shraeye was being scummy.
I find shraeye scummy because I think he asked me to answer a question and then respond with "oh look how scummy mcmc is being" I don't think he really talked about why my response was scummy. I also think he is being overly difficult and uncharacteristicly abrasive. I think he has seen how easy of a mislynch I am and is trying to push it through. I genuinely don't see how posting my reads and thought on him are "phoney-baloney"(direct quote...) and how that makes me scum. There is a chance shraeye is town and I am just the worst player ever and should shut my mouth and stop giving reads because they make no sense and I'm confusing, but I junk more likely shraeye is scum was quiet during the beginning of the day an waited till I started giving some reads and posting some thoughts, once he found something he could jump on and make sound scummy(my read on him and unvote) he went after me hard.
Which is kind of ironic because MCMC asked shraeye questions and then responded by calling him scummy for his aggressive responses and questions. It feels like MCMC is just trying to take pressure off himself.
I really don't see anything particularly weird about Shraeyes responses and questions, but MCMCs response was quite defensive. Shraeye is right that the Unvote was out of places specially given that when shraeye asked more questions, he began to call him scummy.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 27, 2014, 12:20:48 am »
I'm defending myself because this is my first game and I'm 2 votes away from dying.
Your only evidence is that I'm defensive. And you're getting this off two posts of mine. Of course I'm going to state my thoughts and put out a vote, especially after people accuse me of lurking.
Yes I'm being sheepish. I don't think anyone knows who anyone is at this point. So excuse me for not charging in and just declaring that someone is skummy. I'd rather not be rash and make it so we all lose.
Your only evidence is that I'm defensive. And you're getting this off two posts of mine. Of course I'm going to state my thoughts and put out a vote, especially after people accuse me of lurking.
Yes I'm being sheepish. I don't think anyone knows who anyone is at this point. So excuse me for not charging in and just declaring that someone is skummy. I'd rather not be rash and make it so we all lose.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 26, 2014, 11:45:52 pm »
Why didn't you**
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 26, 2014, 11:45:19 pm »I am going to vote: Delerious Deluze
His analysis and suspicion of ww feel scummy to me. Aren't we pretty much 100% sure that ww is a newbie?
Would he really make a meta lie? ww's questions in of themselves are not inherently scummy, this is a newbie game after all. It's a place for newbs to ask questions and get comfortable while playing the game and learning from veterans.
I'm a newbie too. I think the questions just seem a bit odd. Plus, I'm not the only person to comment on how those questions were weird. I don't understand why that's prompting a vote for me. That alone sounds suspicious that now you're just voting for me with very little reasons other than i sound scummy and two people voted for me for not posting enough.
If your real worry was me voting for WW why did you vote for other people who said that earlier and now are just choosing to jump on the bandwagon and divert attention to me?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 26, 2014, 10:44:33 pm »
Why do you think he's a townie?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 26, 2014, 09:20:15 pm »
Nik do you care to explain why you think shraeye is scummy?
I get why people jumped on the lurker bad train with me, but I think you should post some thoughts.
I get why people jumped on the lurker bad train with me, but I think you should post some thoughts.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 26, 2014, 09:04:29 pm »
Sorry team!! I've been out of town, not lurking just busy. I'm super hungover today which why I haven't posted. I just read through the last three pages. My thoughts:
The questions by ww are curious, I think it's less innocent than what some believe but I don't think it's a conspiracy. People who are townies usually don't ask those sorts of questions. He seems to be dancing. Especially in his follow up post when he acknowledged his newbieness and continuined to ask questions. Maybe he's a newbie but I think this is curious enough to watch.
More interesting than that is shraeye's analysis of the post he does seem to be good at being driving the thread but also causing confusion. Whether it's purposeful or not I don't know yet. Smells kinda scummy. Unvote.
Vote:ww
I also think we should question people who are defending others based off their success in other games. I think this is a bit odd, and a good place to create false facades.
Sorry I haven't been posting. The whiskey flu is almost gone though.
The questions by ww are curious, I think it's less innocent than what some believe but I don't think it's a conspiracy. People who are townies usually don't ask those sorts of questions. He seems to be dancing. Especially in his follow up post when he acknowledged his newbieness and continuined to ask questions. Maybe he's a newbie but I think this is curious enough to watch.
More interesting than that is shraeye's analysis of the post he does seem to be good at being driving the thread but also causing confusion. Whether it's purposeful or not I don't know yet. Smells kinda scummy. Unvote.
Vote:ww
I also think we should question people who are defending others based off their success in other games. I think this is a bit odd, and a good place to create false facades.
Sorry I haven't been posting. The whiskey flu is almost gone though.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 25, 2014, 11:08:04 am »
Much better, I think.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« on: March 25, 2014, 10:48:08 am »
Newbie here!
Vote: Voltaire. Candide was only okay.
Vote: Voltaire. Candide was only okay.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (2 newbies wanted !)
« on: March 19, 2014, 09:17:04 pm »
/in
Newbie looking to play
Newbie looking to play
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GokoDom / Re: GokoDom III: Third Theason Thign-up Thread
« on: January 21, 2014, 03:02:40 pm »
In, not all sets 
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Dominion General Discussion / Settle an argument for me...
« on: September 01, 2013, 05:34:36 pm »
My girlfriend thinks that I won this game out of luck. I disagree. Can you guys be the judge?
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http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130901/log.516cd867e4b082c74d7a408b.1378070502975.txt