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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 11:19:35 am »
Speaking of 1v1, I see faust is done with his deal with Jimmmmm D1, but is now trying to start one with e.  Discuss?
(PPE: 2)
I think you're behind. I'm not voting e anymore.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 11:13:55 am »
So joth, you don't like lurker exiles except for when you get to choose the lurker?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 11:11:49 am »
When I was re-reading conference call mafia I came upon this quote from myself:

I don't think faust and ash are the scum team, but it's pretty clear to me that if faust and ash were the scum team they could pretty much do whatever they want and get away with it and that seems like a problem.

I feel exactly the same way right now about faust and MiX.

I'm always hesitant to call out the leader-y scum thing because I myself never attempt it. But I can see faust and MiX deciding to. Reread the opening of the game and tell me their banter doesn't feel a little too neat and tidy to be organic?

You uh. You were uh. You were scum that game. And faust was exiled as the Tracker. And ash died at night. That's enough proof of how wrong you are.

Maybe you and faust saw that comment and thought "hey that's not a bad idea" and filed it away.
Mmmh. It's right there in my file cabinet of mafia quotes. You nailed it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 10:19:50 am »
But also,

Vote: gkrieg

Will you join me, iguana?

Do you scumread gkrieg?

Would you answer the question "why are you voting gkrieg" meaningfully if I asked it now? Do you think I would consider the answer meaningful?

Why are you voting gkrieg?
I would like to exile gkrieg. This is partially PoE, partially due to the fact that gkrieg hasn't done anything townie all game, and partially due to XAL.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 23, 2021, 10:17:40 am »
Idk, I'd love to sit here and talk theory all day but idk that it's a very productive street.
Well, you are free to do with your time as you wish. It is your choice to not interact with anything in the game that doesn't directly relate to you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 23, 2021, 09:51:50 am »
Actually, I think Joth is town. And that's because... his scum record is truly abysmal. And I read his scum game... the one he told me was the best example of him as scum... and he was just bad scum in that game.

And he does not seem bad in this game. Therefore he's town. Good enough for D1.

That's my general impression.

Read this game.

So, I was reading this game, and I was like, holy crap, Joth is playing so good here. I knew he was scum, did not know his partners (except McMc, who flipped D1), did not know his role. Then... this:

I found the traitor role to be very freeing. My reads were fake, but my interactions were genuine, which made the game like 50% easier, if that makes sense.

See, I think I get Joth. He has a really hard time with scum because he thrives on uncertainty. Knowing his partners takes the uncertainty out of the game and replaces it with duplicity, and I think he has a really hard time with that.

As a result, in the one example of a mafia game where he really played his heart out and fooled people, he was a traitor. The uncertainty was very much alive because he didn't know his partners.

So I guess if I am reading Joth correctly here, then that's because we are cut from the same cloth in that way. Both of us really struggle with being mafia. So as someone else who tends to lurk as scum and overplay as town, I guess I am seeing similar things from Joth's record and his current game. So he's actually one of the people I'm more confident in. The fact that he was traitor in that game really seals it.

I think Joth is town.

I feel very seen.
You seem to agree with this even though it has been proven factually wrong. Why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 04:05:57 am »
But also,

Vote: gkrieg

Will you join me, iguana?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 02:29:54 am »
Doubly good becuase now this is no longer OMGUS:

Vote: 2.71828.....

Triply good since now you can paint me as even scummier since my vote will now be OMGUS.

Vote: faust
Oh my god everyone, look at this OMGUS vote and how scummy it is!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 01:28:22 am »
Just wait until I take my crack and do you like I did Galzria  8)
In my experience, such grandiose announcements are followed by unvotes, so I'm not too worried.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 12:58:09 am »
Doubly good becuase now this is no longer OMGUS:

Vote: 2.71828.....

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 23, 2021, 12:54:52 am »
Vote: faust
When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

Interested in hearing more about your faust vote. Seems very....random? I mean, you vote faust then just completely ignore both before and after.  By my count, you have 4 posts interacting with faust prior to your vote and a single post after your "when you can't find scum its faust" post. Did you even look at faust or just felt like you could get some traction on faust because no one will take the time to reread everything he posted and you can build a wagon of people who start getting antsy when faust stays alive too long (thinking of the whole "If Robz is alive D4 he is scum" line of thinking, which I know faust has experienced as well)?

I don't know, your vote just doesn't sit well with me. 

vote: iguana
I feel like iguana has done me a great service with this vote. It's like a repellant for other votes.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 22, 2021, 03:40:42 pm »
Consider this from D1:

Okay faust, what are the reasons we should believe you're Town?
Well, I have done townie things. I think I am more contrarian when I am town, and thus often attract more votes as town than I do as scum, and I think you can see that in my play.

The three players I have voted for (joth, iguana, Jimmmmm) have all since ended up on the EFHW wagon, so unless you think that is completely town-driven, I have already voted for scum. If you do think that the EFHW wagon is completely town-driven, then it is probably beneficial to join that wagon rather than start a new one on me.

This sounds nice and everything, but those three votes happened in his first 13 posts (joth-iguana-joth-jimmm votes), and that early one of those could very well have been a vote on a partner.  So while it sounds super neat and all, it is a total deflection that a casual reader takes as a townie point for faust. I think it is scummy.
If you can make a better case for yourself being town at that stage of the game then I'm eager to hear it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 22, 2021, 12:19:11 pm »
No, I don't think there is a lot you can do about being scum.

When you can't find scum, look at lurkers. Faust is not one of them this game.

Well, I could also go for gkrieg. I believe I said that.
That would be preferable. Though it would be best if you went for joth.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 22, 2021, 12:13:09 pm »
Two scenarios. One (partner) where he was bussing you for distance but wanted to get off before the wagon kept growing larger. Two (framing) where he wanted it to look like that. Because he seemed to want to get off that wagon in a hurry.
Well, I'm town, so I'm ignoring the first scenario. What you are saying is... scum!mathdude is actively trying to look like scum in order to implicate me?
My thought was that given how close he came D1 to being exiled, he might be trying to make the most of it, assuming he would be the exile today. Could be far-fetched. How do you explain the post?
Dunno, he got paranoid when a scumread of his joined his vote with flimsy reasoning? It happens to me all the time.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 22, 2021, 11:10:57 am »
Two scenarios. One (partner) where he was bussing you for distance but wanted to get off before the wagon kept growing larger. Two (framing) where he wanted it to look like that. Because he seemed to want to get off that wagon in a hurry.
Well, I'm town, so I'm ignoring the first scenario. What you are saying is... scum!mathdude is actively trying to look like scum in order to implicate me?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 22, 2021, 09:00:28 am »
Vote: faust
When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Just trying to see who will bite and where. You're either super helpful and going to stumble on something good, or you're scum trying to mislead us. I don't like you sheeping my vote.

unvote
This is a really strange post. For some reason math is offended that iguana joined the faust wagon, to the point that he unvotes. This outrage feels like an excuse to get off the wagon. He could be protecting partner faust, or more likely trying to frame him.

vote: mathdude

PPE MiX saying the same thing.
How does that post frame me?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 22, 2021, 08:58:18 am »
We should be looking at MiX and faust. Especially faust. Give me some time I’ll put together a cogent case.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 22, 2021, 08:57:18 am »
Sorry I’m having a lurky D2. I am reading along and planning to do some rereading but life is busy rn.
I thought you were going to give us the incredible case you have built on me. I guess those were empty promises.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Dominion: Allies
« on: September 22, 2021, 12:55:31 am »
Surely the release date is a piece of information that will come out in between now and the previews, so maybe that is what was being referred to.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 22, 2021, 12:52:06 am »
When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.
There isn't a lot I can do about that, is there?

I think you may have been looking for scum in the wrong places. And I guess - you are continuing to do so.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« on: September 21, 2021, 10:56:05 am »
This is literally town!math being the D1 exile.

And now you vote Math. What changed your mind?
It must needs be remarked that MiX has rudely ignored this question.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 21, 2021, 09:06:31 am »
Y’all are substituting wagon analysis for reads ina way that is very tempting, but ultimately self-defeating.

We should be looking at MiX and faust. Especially faust. Give me some time I’ll put together a cogent case.
A wise man would call this
Thinly veiled OMGUS.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 21, 2021, 08:46:42 am »
I mean surely if anyone's to blame for the no-exile it's joth, math and LL for not being on one of the main wagons at Day's end.
What point are you trying to make with this?

That we shouldn't assume that a no-exile can only happen because of scum refusing to bus.
Is anyone assuming this?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 21, 2021, 08:36:53 am »
I mean surely if anyone's to blame for the no-exile it's joth, math and LL for not being on one of the main wagons at Day's end.
What point are you trying to make with this?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« on: September 21, 2021, 08:34:38 am »
Y’all are substituting wagon analysis for reads ina way that is very tempting, but ultimately self-defeating.

We should be looking at MiX and faust. Especially faust. Give me some time I’ll put together a cogent case.

Killing LL to push me and faust doesn't work cause LL always scumreads us. You should've known that.
Can confirm that this is the case. I am not sure that your argument works though: Even if LaLight always scumreads us, it is still beneficial for scum!us to remove them.

But it's not beneficial for other scum teams to kill them to push us, right?
Why not? What I wrote above provides a reason for why scum!us would kill LaLight, and thus if LaLight dies we can be pushed with that reasoning.

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