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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 04:30:50 pm »
I mean, he doesn't need to kill EFHW. It helps his claim but it's not integral.

I am more convinced now that Swowl is scum than that iguana is, but it wouldn't be sensible to exile outside of e/iguana today.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 04:22:59 pm »
So, here's the thing with Swowl.

D1, he reads EFHW as scum. Then on day 2, he comes out saying this:

Well tbf I preferred EFHW, but I am off of that for now. I was being stupid.
I had already put this down as a potential crumb at the time, and you'll see I haven't pressed for either Swowl or EFHW after that. This was reinforced later in the Day when he was explicitly asked about it by gkrieg:

@Swowl, why were you being stupid thinking EFHW was scum D1?

1. Because I was being stupid.
At the time, this reinforced my scumread on gkrieg because he seemed to be rolefishing. Swowl doubles down on not explaining his change of mind here.

One might argue that Swowl wasn't aware that his behaviour might be read as a crumb, and in his answer today he tries to play this off as a simple reads change. However, then there is this post, which shows he is very aware of things being potentially read as crumbs:
1. I would rather not go into why I think this is Town!MiX (that is not a crumb, it is reads based). But yeah... town mix.
The EFHW read very explicitly did not have that same disclaimer.

So where does that leave us? I think it leaves us at scum!Swowl having planned to go for a Cop fakeclaim, and then after he saw e's claim he decided he had to back out. But that only makes sense if e is town.

So ultimately I am convinced to

Vote: iguana

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 12:58:18 pm »
Okay caught up. Before I say anything else, and before we exile anyone, I want to hear Swowl's reply.

unvote

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 03, 2021, 02:56:00 am »
Still think e's scum, faust?
I am VLA and have to read.

I want Swowl to explain what was going on with his EFHW read on D2.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: October 02, 2021, 04:47:16 pm »
Hard to think of a great movie or fictional book whose greatest strength aren't characters. Maybe Spirited Away.

I think Lord of the Rings fits in that category honestly. There are also authors that kind of purposefully create sort of blank slate characters, like Kafka or Murakami.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 01, 2021, 06:28:21 pm »
I should claim I guess.

I am a... Mason! dun dun dun.

Not really, I'm just a VT.

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Forum Games / Re: Vacation/Limited Access announcements
« on: October 01, 2021, 11:30:22 am »
VLA for the weekend (2/3 Oct).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 01, 2021, 11:26:25 am »
I could definitely see faust trying something like this... I'm not sure I know iguana or e well enough to say about them.
I feel like people seriously misunderstand my scum game. I'm not about big wacky plans that might just work out. I shoot down such plans when my partners express them. I like to keep my options open as much as possible, and when I do follow a plan, I always try to have enough plausible deniability so that I can switch gears if I feel that is necessary. The plan proposed above... is none of that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 01:31:12 pm »
I guess anyone who's calling a scumteam is lining up exiles then.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 12:35:54 pm »
Looking at Faust lining up both our exiles... I would say Faust is e's partner here.
I'm not following. Without my intervention, you would be exiled, (presumably) flip town, and then e gets exiled.

With my intervention, e is exiled first, and then you have a shot at proving your townieness.

I am in fact doing the opposite of lining up exiles.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 08:16:10 am »
Read my posts before the mass claim? Do they feel like scum that thought through exactly how they would claim the next day?
I love the self-report. "Actually, I didn't yet know that I was going to claim Cop."

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 08:14:02 am »
I am going to look at some vote counts using mathdude's info dumps (thanks!).

D1

iguanaiguana (1): 2.71828.....
EFHW (4): WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana, jotheonah, Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (3): faust, MiX, mathdude
faust (1): LaLight
Not Voting (3): Swowl, EFHW, gkrieg13

For anyone believing that e can be town, this should dissuade you from an iguana/joth/Jimmmmm team.

EFHW - WCD, iguana, joth
Jimmmmm - faust, MiX, math, EFHW
faust - LaLight, Jimmmmm

The Jimmmmm wagon is curious -  with me, MiX, EFHW, there's 3 town. math is the only unknown, which makes him more likely scum. Or i suppose Jimmmmm is scum. Both being town seems unlikely (note that joth joins this wagon later also, but not for some time).

EFHW - WCD, MiX, joth, Swowl
Jimmmmm - math, EFHW
faust - Jimmmmm
math - 2.71, iguana, gkrieg
MiX - LaLight, faust

Everyone on the EFHW wagon is town except for joth. Pair that with the EoD1 wagon:

Jimmmmm (2): mathdude, jotheonah
mathdude (5): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, EFHW
MiX (1): LaLight
jotheonah (4): faust, MiX, WestCoastDidds, Swowl,

where the joth wagon is all town (and town!EFHW was also briefly there) - this makes me quite suspicious of joth.

D2

mathdude: EFHW, gkrieg, MiX, joth
joth: Swowl
gkrieg: faust, WCD, iguana, Jim, math
WCD: 2.71

The mathdude wagon is all town until joth joins... which again casts doubt on his townieness.

mathdude (3): EFHW, gkrieg13, jotheonah,
jotheonah (3): Swowl, MiX, WestCoastDidds
gkrieg13 (4): faust, iguanaiguana, Jimmmmm, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (1): 2.71828.....

Here, again, we have an all-town wagon on joth.

jotheonah (1): Swowl
gkrieg13 (6): faust, iguanaiguana, Jimmmmm, mathdude, MiX, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (4): 2.71828....., EFHW, gkrieg13, jotheonah

The EoD2 Didds wagon was supported by 2 townies, it definitely makes sense that joth might join a scumpartner!e there in order to not be on the misexile.

PPE: 5

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 07:42:34 am »
But did you go back and read iguana?
How would that help me overcome my scumread on you? Because he's so obviously scum? If it's that obvious then why did you check him in the first place?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 07:21:23 am »
+ basically told scum "don't claim UB"

Here
What...? MiX said that after you claimed and it doesn't have anything to do with why I think you're scum.

Ok, true. Jumping around on mobile and conflating/mixing things up.

But the idea that I am telling alleged partners not to claim UB is absolutely in contradiction to the idea that I am scum claiming a cop result against iguana.

If I were scum doing something like that you know it would have been discussed at night
This was not directed at you, but at MiX.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 07:10:59 am »
+ basically told scum "don't claim UB"

Here
What...? MiX said that after you claimed and it doesn't have anything to do with why I think you're scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 07:08:26 am »
faust's case does assume I somehow knew MiX and Didds were masons, which is not the case
Where do I assume that?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 07:01:43 am »
+ basically told scum "don't claim UB"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 07:01:26 am »
Well you jumped the order in the massclaim, so don't you complain about me!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 06:57:03 am »
The other thing is the LaLight kill N1. It has "trying to avoid the Doctor target" written all over it. However... that would only be a concern if scum doesn't have a full Strongman. That means that there are at most three non-T letters in the setup. And we already have

E - EFHW
M - MiX/Didds
E/C - Swowl

There isn't room for another Cop.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 06:54:14 am »
Sorry! This was on purpose. I just expected Didds to always be townread and faust to not.
Ha! The thing is though, Masons tend to look like scum. They are a group of people that has alignment information on one another and does not want to get each other exiled.

Also I feel like I suspected you too much for this to really work.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 06:44:55 am »
Yes but not enough to do a mad sacrifice play while they’re currently bowligg by a perfect game…. Cmon faust.
What do you think is going on?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 06:25:51 am »
Yes. I have also been voting e for a brief moment during D2, before annoyingly deciding to go for gkrieg instead.

Could you have tried to sheep me instead? At least attempt to?
MiXy, I wish I could trust you. Alas. My vote stays where it is.
At the time I wasn't seeing the potential for Masons.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 06:24:23 am »
Ok well. Swowl is a Cop (probably 1-shot and has investigated EFHW N1. MiX and Didds are Masons. Scum is among the remaining players.

why would you say this?
If I'm right then scum probably already suspects all of this. If I'm wrong then maybe someone can point out to me why that is. Too many people have been suspecting MiX/Didds and I figured maybe this will give them something to think about.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 04:18:12 am »
Yes. I have also been voting e for a brief moment during D2, before annoyingly deciding to go for gkrieg instead.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 30, 2021, 04:13:18 am »
I mean my argument is thus:

If iguana is scum, then we should exile e first, because scum wants us to exile iguana.

If iguana is town, then we should exile e, because... iguana is town.

So no matter iguana's alignment it's best to exile e.

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