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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 25, 2019, 05:56:38 pm »
@faust: I don't have the time to go searching for my earlier comments but you've been pulling other people's stuff up pretty quickly, why should I bother?

@Didds: What do you think is helpful about Space's lists? Is effort the same thing as helpfulness to you?

@EFHW: What's your read on WCD?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 25, 2019, 05:53:35 pm »
I'm also still happy with a MiX lynch, don't like the setting "traps" and "will you agree you're 100% certain I'm scum" arguments. But this is more interesting.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 25, 2019, 05:52:20 pm »
Vote: EFHW

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 25, 2019, 05:51:34 pm »
It's weirding me out how vehemently we were (collectively) hunting Garak and pushing claims earlier and that just dropped completely after a bit of pushback. I was fully expecting to have to claim and complain about how dumb it was. I'm happier to not claim, but it's weird.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 25, 2019, 05:49:49 pm »
Being on faust all game wouldn't have been pointless if we didn't spend the whole game just giving him a pass without thinking about it.

Ironically I don't really want to lynch faust anymore, but I still want to whine about this.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 08:57:01 pm »
I think it needs to be full mass claim or no claims (unless someone has a need).  Lynching based on rolled role is dumb. There is no scumhunting involved. The only exception to that is roles that affect lylo voting such as Hated.
That's pretty much what I'm saying. I keep thinking there's some utility to keeping Dax and Yates unclaimed with the hope of one of them being NKed but once we have a few claims anyway the unambiguous cop results are probably worth more.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 08:46:25 pm »
Also, seriously raerae, why do we need to claim to move the day forward? Like we've had other days in the game where we lynched people without massclaiming haven't we?
Yep. Those have gone splendidly.

I was townreading Awaclus and e, the problem is just that you guys keep ignoring me. How does claiming help unless I'm Kai Winn?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 08:41:02 pm »
And if we're doing this thing, we need to at least get the remaining cops to claim. Just by having some of us claim we drastically reduce the pool of players who could be the cops and up the odds of scum shooting them, so what utility we get out of the claim is unambiguous cop innocents for POE without giving scum the option to argue about/obfuscate crumbs. If we do half a mass-claim, cops are still probably dead, may as well get their results.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 08:34:31 pm »
I would also like a definition of popcorn, please!

I claim, I say "Okay, Space claims next" then you claim and say "MiX claims next," MiX claims and says "EFHW claims next" etc. So instead of a lynch order laid out all in advance, each player nominates the next. It almost always gives scum some control of the lynch order, but it keeps much of the order in the hands of town with no risk of it being entirely scum controlled. Good for when there's no player everyone trusts.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 08:29:05 pm »
Do you believe one of (EFHW, MiX) is scum beyond a shadow of doubt?

What were you hoping to learn by asking me this?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 05:12:51 pm »
Anyway, I have to run but if a majority really wants to claim, I'll be willing to claim first when I get back in a few hours. But then we popcorn. I won't hold the town hostage to my saying this is a bad idea, but really the arguments seem to be mostly a lot of yelling and maybe some misunderstanding of how bus drivers work.

Also, seriously raerae, why do we need to claim to move the day forward? Like we've had other days in the game where we lynched people without massclaiming haven't we?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 05:05:00 pm »
This probability talk is stupid, the odds of faust being scum neighbor are exactly the odds of faust being scum. Neighborhood is irrelevant.

Wrong: faust can't be SK, so he's less likely to be scum. It's very minor, but true.
Wrong. This has nothing to do with the prior likelihood of the neighborhood containing scum, which is what I was complaining about. There was a lot of math and fury signifying nothing.

By lynching who we think is most likely to be scum? I'm seeing downsides to claiming and not a lot of upside. Why do you think we need to claim to move forward?

And I'm torn between voting EFHW and MiX right now, so yeah not really liking them being in charge. I'd be happier with faust, at least he's not SK because of the neighborhood info thing.

So no, she's not as good as anybody. It's weirder how everyone, particularly MiX, is suddenly so in love with deferring judgement to people.

Do you believe one of (EFHW, MiX) is scum beyond a shadow of doubt?
Why do you think I would believe this?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 05:02:34 pm »
Also I've always found it kind of gross to set a claim order with yourself last when you're not a consensus townread. If we're going to claim, why not popcorn?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 05:00:28 pm »
By lynching who we think is most likely to be scum? I'm seeing downsides to claiming and not a lot of upside. Why do you think we need to claim to move forward?

And I'm torn between voting EFHW and MiX right now, so yeah not really liking them being in charge. I'd be happier with faust, at least he's not SK because of the neighborhood info thing.

So no, she's not as good as anybody. It's weirder how everyone, particularly MiX, is suddenly so in love with deferring judgement to people.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 04:52:12 pm »
This probability talk is stupid, the odds of faust being scum neighbor are exactly the odds of faust being scum. Neighborhood is irrelevant.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 23, 2019, 04:45:20 pm »
Why is EFHW in charge of anything?

Why would we lynch Garak? If I am Garak, I'd have held on to my shot and used it as Bus Driver, early lightning rod is anti-town, it ruins the cop results at the benefit of soaking one kill.

There are 2 players scum don't want to shoot, and if doublevoter isn't scum they're a high priority target, along with the relevant cop.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 22, 2019, 03:19:39 pm »
We should organize a bun drive before we decide on a lunch.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 22, 2019, 03:17:34 pm »
Glooble/Joth: If a cop is redirected by Garak, do they get "Your target is/is not Maquis/Mirror Universe/Changeling" or do they get "NAME is/is not Maquis/Mirror Universe/Changeling?"

And if the second, would the name be the correct name of who they actually targeted after the bun drive, or the name of the player they thought they targeted?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 22, 2019, 03:12:29 pm »
Why so anxious for Garak to claim?

I feel like I shouldn't say my reads before it.

Why do you (not faust) think Garak should be the first role to claim?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 22, 2019, 03:10:13 pm »
Jeez, chicken's dead, you don't need to yell at town like that. Of course everyone should assume commuter never commuted since we've always had 2 kills and all vigs are dead.

Proving my point.

I suppose. But you didn't have to yell.

I wanted to make sure no one missed it, I don't see CAPSLOCK as being somehow hostile to everyone. And engaging with this really locks that in. It's a mistake that plenty of people might make if we get into just all claiming everything truthfully.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 22, 2019, 03:08:27 pm »
Why so anxious for Garak to claim?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 22, 2019, 03:03:14 pm »
Jeez, chicken's dead, you don't need to yell at town like that. Of course everyone should assume commuter never commuted since we've always had 2 kills and all vigs are dead.

Proving my point.

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Forum Games / Re: Drunk Mafia 7: More drunken shenanigans?
« on: March 22, 2019, 02:45:19 pm »
I'm unavailable except maybe Sunday, which is a bad idea for other reasons.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 22, 2019, 02:34:16 pm »
So people who have played with Swan more than I have, as an Even-night SK cop, is there any chance he wouldn't out himself if he had a guilty on Day 3?

It would be a misplay, but is there any chance he doesn't realize it would have been a misplay?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 22, 2019, 02:31:36 pm »
@Space, Didds, and EFHW: Me vs MiX, is it town v town, scum v scum, or town v scum?
I'm curious, why us and how would this help?

I have a guess...
Please don't guess.

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