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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 22, 2013, 04:12:56 pm »
Well now, I was very excited to actually get to do something with my awesome pr for once and no I don't get too so I understand the frustration. I did notice robz could have been playing it up, in fact I think he was playing up the frustration(the posting about felt out of character) I'm just not sure that means he's scum again.

Spirit got a bit screwed, now we all know what he looks like as scum...exactly the same...so my constant fear of him being scum is still a legitimate fear. For now I am going to continue to find him towny.

Yuma and liopoil have "reacted" the most I think about the reset and hange to a new game. I think liopoil comes off looking scummy and Yuma looking townie.

I'm kind of intrigued, as I really feel Yuma comes off scummy this game, as well as you and spiritbears.  Robz could be coming off scummy (I don't know him well enough to know if this kind of petulant whining is normal), but I'm leaving him neutral in my mind for now.

So my current list of potential scum, in descending order of confidence, is:
Vote: Yuma
mcmcsalot
spiritbears

Errr, add liopoil into that "potential scum" list, at the bottom, but he's got effectively a neutral case as well.   And Nkirbit I was writing this as you replied, let me find the relevant yuma quotes And I'll throw it in as a new post.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 22, 2013, 04:11:03 pm »
Well now, I was very excited to actually get to do something with my awesome pr for once and no I don't get too so I understand the frustration. I did notice robz could have been playing it up, in fact I think he was playing up the frustration(the posting about felt out of character) I'm just not sure that means he's scum again.

Spirit got a bit screwed, now we all know what he looks like as scum...exactly the same...so my constant fear of him being scum is still a legitimate fear. For now I am going to continue to find him towny.

Yuma and liopoil have "reacted" the most I think about the reset and hange to a new game. I think liopoil comes off looking scummy and Yuma looking townie.

I'm kind of intrigued, as I really feel Yuma comes off scummy this game, as well as you and spiritbears.  Robz could be coming off scummy (I don't know him well enough to know if this kind of petulant whining is normal), but I'm leaving him neutral in my mind for now.

So my current list of potential scum, in descending order of confidence, is:
Vote: Yuma
mcmcsalot
spiritbears


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 21, 2013, 06:52:04 pm »
I know mcmc was JK in abandoned game, were there any others? Just curious.

I thought we weren't supposed to talk about the PRs from the last game?

(Also this whole abbreviation thing is fun :D)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 21, 2013, 05:14:43 pm »
ET TU LIOPOIL?
you say after unvoting... and me?

I'm not sure as I agree with Robz.  I'd argue that more chatter, even if it's primarily noise, gives us more opportunity for scum to slip up and say something that (directly or indirectly) outs them.

I was also teasing you about not being enthusiastic about the idea of badposting in the name of finding the scum, by comparing you to beloved Brutus, that most noble of traitors, who did successfully win his Mafia game against Caesar by pretending to be a VT even to the end of the game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 21, 2013, 02:56:13 pm »
I think it would've been funny to see how it played out, with Yuma knowing at least one person's alignment for sure, but nobody being able to confirm that Yuma wasn't actually scum.

HOWEVER!

Back to RVS.

Vote: liopoil

Scratch that, I just read liopoil's post again where he said not to bother with RVS.

Unvote

However, opting to skip the opportunity to perhaps gain more insight towards who the new scum are... could be scummy.

ET TU LIOPOIL?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 21, 2013, 02:54:51 pm »
I think it would've been funny to see how it played out, with Yuma knowing at least one person's alignment for sure, but nobody being able to confirm that Yuma wasn't actually scum.

HOWEVER!

Back to RVS.

Vote: liopoil

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 21, 2013, 11:15:20 am »
Cheers, let's just enjoy :)

as for you, Yuma..

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 18, 2013, 11:54:28 am »
So what I'm hearing is that my kneejerk "vote: mail-mi" reaction is completely justified.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 06:15:25 pm »
I believe you mean bridge?

what's wrong with theory talk? :(

I like the KC/KC/Monument setup because the people I play with are kind of baddies and so I just rack up more VP than there are points on the table.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 05:36:24 pm »
Scrap the RVS clarification, I found the "commonly used abbreviation" list.
What? I don't get to answer your question? This is madness! (Finish the quote)

vote: chairs

Madness?! THIS. IS. KC/KC/MONUMENT/MONUMENT/MONUMENT!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 04:56:56 pm »
Scrap the RVS clarification, I found the "commonly used abbreviation" list.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 04:55:09 pm »
A little shocked by the no-lunch suggestion from chairs, but maybe it's just his newness? And Lio...theory already??? You're going to give me a headache! 
And where are the two brothers?!  Lurking again?

Based on the wonderful explanation from liopoil, I retract my no-lynch suggestion (and never suggested we should skip lunch), but continue to (perhaps a bit vainfully) vote mail-mi.
Eh it's RVS, votes don't matter.

What's RVS?

A little shocked by the no-lunch suggestion from chairs, but maybe it's just his newness? And Lio...theory already??? You're going to give me a headache! 
And where are the two brothers?!  Lurking again?

Based on the wonderful explanation from liopoil, I retract my no-lynch suggestion (and never suggested we should skip lunch), but continue to (perhaps a bit vainfully) vote mail-mi.
Lol...
(You might want to get that vote in bold then)
Mai might not be a bad choice given his MuLTIPLEs votez....

(I already put it in bold in my first response to him voting me)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 04:37:30 pm »
A little shocked by the no-lunch suggestion from chairs, but maybe it's just his newness? And Lio...theory already??? You're going to give me a headache! 
And where are the two brothers?!  Lurking again?

Based on the wonderful explanation from liopoil, I retract my no-lynch suggestion (and never suggested we should skip lunch), but continue to (perhaps a bit vainfully) vote mail-mi.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 04:14:19 pm »
Lynch minus one.  So today, four votes is L-1

Lio, I am town. Are you?

Thanks for the clarification :)

I'm still afraid my relative shobon status to what's apparently a pretty developed theory of Mafia has me throwing massive (and inaccurate) tells :(

I thought I'd played Mafia before... apparently not.  You're treating my D-1 no-lynch like it's insane, but it's pretty common practice among the folks I normally play with (unless we smell a rat) to no-lynch.  Is it (game theory wise) terrible?  I haven't really read up on the game theory of Mafia.

VT = vanilla townie?

And I guess PR = power role?

I have no idea what L-1 is.
VT is vanilla townie yes, and PR is power role. L-1 means that a person need 1 more voter to lynch. So currently, that means that if a player has 4 votes on him, they are at L-1.

A D1 no lynch in this setup is indeed pretty insane. Right now, we can "afford" to incorrectly lynch 2 townies. If we no lynch, then after somebody dies, we can only afford to mislynch 1. I assume that the rationale behind no lynching D1 was because there was nothing to go off of. This is true, but after a no lynch, there is still just as little info.

In general: no lynch with an odd number of people alive is a bad idea. no lynch with an even number is sometimes a good idea.


nullread on chairs for being new to forum mafia. I guess mail-mi's posts come of a tiny bit scummy because they're jokey and all anti-chairs, but really, not much.

PPE: nkirbit claims town, interesting! (not really) He also asks me if I'm town. I'm a bit offended by this question as I thought it would be obvious by now, and so I refuse the answer it. you're just going to have to figure it out for yourself!

Oh also, chairs, are you aligned with us townspeople? (maybe if I change the question slightly I'll catch someone)

I'm as Town as it gets.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 03:53:57 pm »
Hello everyone!

chairs, were you really going to suggest a no lynch day 1?

shraeye thinks we should ignore post counts. I propose we follow NLLL (never lynch lurkers literally)  ;)

oh hey, an open setup, let's have some theory talk!

there are 6 possible setups, some favor town (cop+doc or cop+JK for instance) more than others (like VT+doc). scum also have the potential to fakeclaim. I am not going to trust claimants in general, but of course, it will depend on the situation. Most importantly:

I believe that in this setup a massclaim is almost NEVER a good idea. All 3 potential PRs have situations where they should claim though, but we'll get to those situations as they arise. For D1, nobody should ever claim anything unless they are L-1 with an intent to hammer.

I can not think of any situations where a VT should claim anything at all or a PR should claim anything but what they actually are.

Most of that theory stuff is basic, but hey, why not say it again. this is, however, hopefully the first and last time I talk about theory today. In previous games, I've gotten too caught up in theory talk and didn't do enough scumhunting. I dislike D1 because there is so little of any material at all, so that's part of why I don't scumhunt as much. I have also somehow generally been in the top few posters at all times during games. I'm not sure why that is, we'll see if it continues. I think I've been accused of trying to inflate my postcount before by posting multiple things that could have just been one post. Well, that isn't true, but I can see how that could clutter the thread. So my plan:

less theory talk, more scumhunting. Try to find something to grasp onto even on D1. More efficient posting. (like this post!)

So, to start off: mail-mi, are you scum? What about you Nkirbit? (I didn't ask chairs because it's already clear that he's scum.)

I thought I'd played Mafia before... apparently not.  You're treating my D-1 no-lynch like it's insane, but it's pretty common practice among the folks I normally play with (unless we smell a rat) to no-lynch.  Is it (game theory wise) terrible?  I haven't really read up on the game theory of Mafia.

VT = vanilla townie?

And I guess PR = power role?

I have no idea what L-1 is.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 02:35:06 pm »
CONSPIRACY!  Clearly a Mafia tactic.  You out yourself too early, I am sure that we fine townsfolk will prevail.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)
« on: June 17, 2013, 01:44:52 pm »
Why, I never!  I was going to suggest a no-lynch day 1, but if you're going to be like that, I Vote: mail-mi.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (signups open)
« on: June 10, 2013, 09:48:24 pm »
/frothygoodness

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The main reason why there's no point in banning cards (aside from them being well balanced overall) is that in general the availabilty and accessibility is the same for every card and each player. In games where cards have been banned by the community (like Agricola for example) it's mostly a matter of individual cards being unique and only available to the player who happens to draw them.

Not necessarily. If there's something overcentralising in a game, it can often be removed to improve balance and enjoyment. Like even in magic formats that allow proxies, things like Black Lotus are banned, because they're too powerful.

As an extreme example, say there was a card costing $5, which read "Roll two dice, +VPs equal to that roll, the game ends." Now I'd say most of the time that's in the game, whoever can buy and play that first is going to win. Both players have equal access to it, but if it were an official card, should it be allowed in tournaments? I'd say probably not, it's too dominating and almost uncounterable.

On the other furniture, your example Dominion card doesn't exist.  I think banning should be discussed in the context of extant cards, not in theoretical OP cards.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Signups Open! 6/13)
« on: June 08, 2013, 02:38:53 pm »
do you know Tables? :P

No, but that name -was- the inspiration for my own.  I was reading the guild preview, saw his username, and decided if we had tables we must need chairs.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Signups Open! 6/13)
« on: June 07, 2013, 04:45:20 pm »
/in

Hi chairs! I think you will enjoy this game. If you are interested as a newer player there is also another game that you may be interested in playing.

It is a simplified form of forum mafia with only 9 players and pretty standard roles. http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=8297.0 Join in if you are interested and welcome to the community!

Thanks :)  I haven't played Mafia for quite a while, but I'm pretty familiar with the concept.  I think playing with folks that understand/enjoy Dominion means it should be hilariously backstabby.  I've /in'd your game as well ^_^

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (signups open)
« on: June 07, 2013, 04:42:57 pm »
/in

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Signups Open! 6/13)
« on: June 06, 2013, 10:14:20 pm »
/in

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