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I'm not liking chairs vote on Robz888, it does seem like OMGUS. that doesn't make him scum though. I see what you're talking about SB. So he mentions it again. Why would he want to emphasize it? It seems like he's more saying "I'm a bit disoriented, because this forum mafia thing is weird, I dunno what to do because we aren't no lynching". I don't think he is filling up his paragraph to make it look like he's saying more than he is. chairs has contributed a fair enough amount, he doesn't need to do that. The only claim that he's scummy that I could see making on that is that maybe he's trying to say "Sorry guys, I'm new to this and have no clue what to do, so if I'm do something stupid don't assume I'm scum," but really, I just think he really is just getting used to the way it works around here.
It seems I do not have any support on mcmc. I'm willing to let that go for now, no point pushing something that won't happen. I will Vote: Mail-mi instead. like other's have mentioned, this post:Well that's too quick of a wagon for him to be scum. Although that was a suspicious post.Is super-convenient for scum. In this post, he says very little, not drawing attention to himself (well, that didn't work out), he takes the stance of defending someone which will look good once he flips town (if he's town), and at the same time, fans the flames for the wagon to continue. He has said that this was just his thought process, however, at the end of this, he does not come to a conclusion. As of this post, he can go either way on mcmc without being accused of flipping. In other words, he's hedging.
PPE: 4
Well, whining about it doesn't help I guess.
chairs, why did you vote for robz?
SB, I must have missed where he said that, can you show it to me?
Robz, I'm not covering for him, I just don't find that particular comment of his particularly incriminating. All he did was put mcmc at L-1.
Is no one else on chairs? Do people disagree with me? He made a really scummy move. Remember that this is his first game, where if he is scum, he is likely to make accidental scum moves.Nope, don't really think that was too scummy of a move. you say his mcmc vote was "wagoning" and "dangerous". I assume you mean in regard to him putting mcmc at L-1. I think it reasonable that he didn't realize he was putting him at L-1, or that he didn't think that was too big of a deal. slightly scummy at best.
Why are you covering for him?
And a vote for me 
Why do you think Yuma is scummy?
On further inspection, the scummy post from Yuma was in the prior game. Thanks for asking for the clarification!
Vote: mcmcsalot
which post was it from the previous game?
Are we allowed to ask things about that? I can't think of a reason why not... but don't want to go into forbidden territory unawares...
Yeah, geez, unvote for now.
Chairs throwing out the fact that he has scumreads on half the other players makes his scumreads kind of meaningless at this point.
Why exactly do you find mcmc scummy, chairs? And lio, and SB? You didn't really provide reasons for any of your reads.
I think some people here are trying extra hard to read scum into mc's post. If you think that was a Vt claim, you are sadly mistaken imo. And why the hell would his first post be exactly like his first post before the reset?!?! No one should b making the same post over again....that would just be scummy. That being said, the arguments I have against spiritbears are softer ones than the argument that a soft VT claim implies scum, so I rated him lower than mc.
I feel like the incident was handled well. You can't just kick out Yuma for accidentally seeing whatever he saw. It sucks for Spiritbears and Robz888 because they lost a chance to be scum (if they're town this time), and any PRs too. But reset was really the only option I can think of besides Yuma being replaced. And how would shraeye explain the need for Yuma to be replaced? He couldn't say that he found out someone's alignment, because that means that he was town (scum already know everyone's alignment).
anyway, it's good to be back, that lull was boooooring!
I'm fine with skipping RVS, we did that last time, no need to do it again.
Why do you think Yuma is scummy?
Well now, I was very excited to actually get to do something with my awesome pr for once and no I don't get too so I understand the frustration. I did notice robz could have been playing it up, in fact I think he was playing up the frustration(the posting about felt out of character) I'm just not sure that means he's scum again.
Spirit got a bit screwed, now we all know what he looks like as scum...exactly the same...so my constant fear of him being scum is still a legitimate fear. For now I am going to continue to find him towny.
Yuma and liopoil have "reacted" the most I think about the reset and hange to a new game. I think liopoil comes off looking scummy and Yuma looking townie.
I'm kind of intrigued, as I really feel Yuma comes off scummy this game, as well as you and spiritbears. Robz could be coming off scummy (I don't know him well enough to know if this kind of petulant whining is normal), but I'm leaving him neutral in my mind for now.
So my current list of potential scum, in descending order of confidence, is:
Vote: Yuma
mcmcsalot
spiritbears
Well now, I was very excited to actually get to do something with my awesome pr for once and no I don't get too so I understand the frustration. I did notice robz could have been playing it up, in fact I think he was playing up the frustration(the posting about felt out of character) I'm just not sure that means he's scum again.
Spirit got a bit screwed, now we all know what he looks like as scum...exactly the same...so my constant fear of him being scum is still a legitimate fear. For now I am going to continue to find him towny.
Yuma and liopoil have "reacted" the most I think about the reset and hange to a new game. I think liopoil comes off looking scummy and Yuma looking townie.
I know mcmc was JK in abandoned game, were there any others? Just curious.
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ET TU LIOPOIL?you say after unvoting... and me?
I think it would've been funny to see how it played out, with Yuma knowing at least one person's alignment for sure, but nobody being able to confirm that Yuma wasn't actually scum.
HOWEVER!
Back to RVS.
Vote: liopoil
I believe you mean bridge?
what's wrong with theory talk?
Scrap the RVS clarification, I found the "commonly used abbreviation" list.What? I don't get to answer your question? This is madness! (Finish the quote)
vote: chairs
Eh it's RVS, votes don't matter.A little shocked by the no-lunch suggestion from chairs, but maybe it's just his newness? And Lio...theory already??? You're going to give me a headache!
And where are the two brothers?! Lurking again?
Based on the wonderful explanation from liopoil, I retract my no-lynch suggestion (and never suggested we should skip lunch), but continue to (perhaps a bit vainfully) vote mail-mi.
Lol...A little shocked by the no-lunch suggestion from chairs, but maybe it's just his newness? And Lio...theory already??? You're going to give me a headache!
And where are the two brothers?! Lurking again?
Based on the wonderful explanation from liopoil, I retract my no-lynch suggestion (and never suggested we should skip lunch), but continue to (perhaps a bit vainfully) vote mail-mi.
(You might want to get that vote in bold then)
Mai might not be a bad choice given his MuLTIPLEs votez....
A little shocked by the no-lunch suggestion from chairs, but maybe it's just his newness? And Lio...theory already??? You're going to give me a headache!
And where are the two brothers?! Lurking again?
Lynch minus one. So today, four votes is L-1
Lio, I am town. Are you?
I thought I'd played Mafia before... apparently not. You're treating my D-1 no-lynch like it's insane, but it's pretty common practice among the folks I normally play with (unless we smell a rat) to no-lynch. Is it (game theory wise) terrible? I haven't really read up on the game theory of Mafia.VT is vanilla townie yes, and PR is power role. L-1 means that a person need 1 more voter to lynch. So currently, that means that if a player has 4 votes on him, they are at L-1.
VT = vanilla townie?
And I guess PR = power role?
I have no idea what L-1 is.
A D1 no lynch in this setup is indeed pretty insane. Right now, we can "afford" to incorrectly lynch 2 townies. If we no lynch, then after somebody dies, we can only afford to mislynch 1. I assume that the rationale behind no lynching D1 was because there was nothing to go off of. This is true, but after a no lynch, there is still just as little info.
In general: no lynch with an odd number of people alive is a bad idea. no lynch with an even number is sometimes a good idea.
nullread on chairs for being new to forum mafia. I guess mail-mi's posts come of a tiny bit scummy because they're jokey and all anti-chairs, but really, not much.
PPE: nkirbit claims town, interesting! (not really) He also asks me if I'm town. I'm a bit offended by this question as I thought it would be obvious by now, and so I refuse the answer it. you're just going to have to figure it out for yourself!
Oh also, chairs, are you aligned with us townspeople? (maybe if I change the question slightly I'll catch someone)
Hello everyone!
chairs, were you really going to suggest a no lynch day 1?
shraeye thinks we should ignore post counts. I propose we follow NLLL (never lynch lurkers literally)
oh hey, an open setup, let's have some theory talk!
there are 6 possible setups, some favor town (cop+doc or cop+JK for instance) more than others (like VT+doc). scum also have the potential to fakeclaim. I am not going to trust claimants in general, but of course, it will depend on the situation. Most importantly:
I believe that in this setup a massclaim is almost NEVER a good idea. All 3 potential PRs have situations where they should claim though, but we'll get to those situations as they arise. For D1, nobody should ever claim anything unless they are L-1 with an intent to hammer.
I can not think of any situations where a VT should claim anything at all or a PR should claim anything but what they actually are.
Most of that theory stuff is basic, but hey, why not say it again. this is, however, hopefully the first and last time I talk about theory today. In previous games, I've gotten too caught up in theory talk and didn't do enough scumhunting. I dislike D1 because there is so little of any material at all, so that's part of why I don't scumhunt as much. I have also somehow generally been in the top few posters at all times during games. I'm not sure why that is, we'll see if it continues. I think I've been accused of trying to inflate my postcount before by posting multiple things that could have just been one post. Well, that isn't true, but I can see how that could clutter the thread. So my plan:
less theory talk, more scumhunting. Try to find something to grasp onto even on D1. More efficient posting. (like this post!)
So, to start off: mail-mi, are you scum? What about you Nkirbit? (I didn't ask chairs because it's already clear that he's scum.)
