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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 10, 2013, 12:51:43 pm »
TA:

So, if we then add in nkirbit's argument in favor of Xeiron being scum, what do you think of the odds of a theorel/Ahoppy/Xeiron case?

Because nkirbit makes a pretty good argument, here.  And I agree that it's possible that the tesla/edison rivalry doesn't necessarily implicate shraeye as scum - since we haven't hit any mafia yet, it's hard to guess at their overall theme.

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Well, my most recent post should make my thoughts on that clear. But I don't think that's the team! Although the first two wouldn't surprise me.

I find it fishy that you're continually naming teams, though. It's as if you're giving people three targets to choose from that aren't you!

Do you think all 3 scum were on wagon for mail-mi?

1) I agree, your recent post made that clear as day.

2) As far as naming teams, I'm getting a lot of benefit from understanding your opinion on why each team would or would not work.  Perhaps not so useful for this game, but long-term I'm learning quite a bit about the current f.ds meta from the responses and it's helping me work towards better opinions.  I don't have any major gut-check in this game saying "this guy is definitely scum" and that's what I rely on, so this is basically how I scumhunt - by throwing something out there and reading the reflections on my statement from others, until somebody says something that clicks in my head.

3) I think that because f.ds meta currently says you should try 1 on, 2 off or 2 on, 1 off, that it's more likely than not that a very well-played scum team was either all-on or all-off.  We've done quite a bit of team theory today over the idea that scum wasn't all on any given wagon, so if I were scum I'd be whole hog on the wagons up until today.

Fair enough :)

Well, we know that a 3-man scum team wasn't all off, so that would leave all on. Personally I know that we have at least 2 scum on, and possibly 3, depending on SHraeye's alignment. I think the fact that we have at least 2 on is also supported by the fact that the scum kill was off-wagon, not on-wagon (they didn't want to narrow down the pool of on-wagon people to be chosen as lynch targets). This may be irrelevant and Raerae was killed because she was really towny, but I think it's worth noting.

Logical.

I know the case is flimsy, but I still think Shraeye is likely scum (particularly given the "Huh, Tesla and Edison were rivals? That explains this thing that I can't talk about but I'm totally not scum" reaction).  I'm just not sold enough on it to keep my vote there, if we can make a stronger case elsewhere.

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/in

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 10, 2013, 11:53:20 am »
TA:

So, if we then add in nkirbit's argument in favor of Xeiron being scum, what do you think of the odds of a theorel/Ahoppy/Xeiron case?

Because nkirbit makes a pretty good argument, here.  And I agree that it's possible that the tesla/edison rivalry doesn't necessarily implicate shraeye as scum - since we haven't hit any mafia yet, it's hard to guess at their overall theme.

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Well, my most recent post should make my thoughts on that clear. But I don't think that's the team! Although the first two wouldn't surprise me.

I find it fishy that you're continually naming teams, though. It's as if you're giving people three targets to choose from that aren't you!

Do you think all 3 scum were on wagon for mail-mi?

1) I agree, your recent post made that clear as day.

2) As far as naming teams, I'm getting a lot of benefit from understanding your opinion on why each team would or would not work.  Perhaps not so useful for this game, but long-term I'm learning quite a bit about the current f.ds meta from the responses and it's helping me work towards better opinions.  I don't have any major gut-check in this game saying "this guy is definitely scum" and that's what I rely on, so this is basically how I scumhunt - by throwing something out there and reading the reflections on my statement from others, until somebody says something that clicks in my head.

3) I think that because f.ds meta currently says you should try 1 on, 2 off or 2 on, 1 off, that it's more likely than not that a very well-played scum team was either all-on or all-off.  We've done quite a bit of team theory today over the idea that scum wasn't all on any given wagon, so if I were scum I'd be whole hog on the wagons up until today.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 09, 2013, 11:59:18 pm »
TA:

So, if we then add in nkirbit's argument in favor of Xeiron being scum, what do you think of the odds of a theorel/Ahoppy/Xeiron case?

Because nkirbit makes a pretty good argument, here.  And I agree that it's possible that the tesla/edison rivalry doesn't necessarily implicate shraeye as scum - since we haven't hit any mafia yet, it's hard to guess at their overall theme.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 09, 2013, 08:19:48 pm »
Also, I'm against the mass claim as well. It would just help scum solve the game and make fake claims easier

No, it will help town solve the game.
I don't think claiming items is the key to winning here.  Do you expect to catch somebody lying?  I've been scum in plenty of RMM games before.  I was scum in RMM3, which Archetype  quotes in the Setup-post
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This is also one of those games where claiming, if not done smartly, can easily be abused by scum (*cough* me in RMM3 *cough*).
I was also scum in Mafia Noir.  In those, my scumteam was 100% ready for claims at any point in the game (in RMM3, we even had fake-claims typed up and pre-made night 0 or possibly it was night 1); we won both of them.  In RMM3, it was despite a massclaim, where I claimed my actual role with only slight edits.  In Mafia Noir, claiming made the game really easy for scumteam.  Me and my partner Insom even claimed first, and they still couldn't read through our fakeclaims.
Besides, I think flavor cop would be a good role for scum to have.  It doesn't seem like a very powerful role, so even if chairs claim is true, I still think he could be scum

I suppose at this point all I can do is profess my towniness.  I'm a chum, let's lynch scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 3)
« on: July 09, 2013, 07:42:19 pm »
Woot :)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 09, 2013, 11:11:29 am »
Chairs, if Xeiron is scum, what do you think of the (likely, in my mind) possibility that Eevee is his scumbuddy?

I don't recall what Eevee has done, offhand, that was scummy, and trying to reread anybody in this is just driving me insane.  Are there any points in particular that you're thinking of?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 08:10:45 pm »
It could be, but I'd doubt we'd find the scum team that easily. We have little to no chance of actually naming the correct team right now. Certainly interactions are helpful, but I think our best bet it to zero in on one scummy person (who could have plausible partners, though), and then hopefully lynch scum today and look at interactions tomorrow. We aren't required to name a scum team today, just to find one member of the team.

Just curious though, why Nkirbit/Shraeye instead of Theorel? Theorel was also on Xeiron's wagon.

Also, to be fair, I also thought Xeiron was scummy, but my vote was parked on Spiritbears during that entire ordeal.

I'm not necessarily discounting Theorel, but he did suggest the vote counting (which you just completed).  That seems a bit towny to me.

Shraeye just for some reason hits my gut reaction meter, and the theme doesn't help his case for me.  Nkirbit seemed like a likely candidate based on my concept of the on-wagon/off-wagon game, particularly if Xeiron's actually scum.

I have tomorrow off work, so I'll try to slog through our massive threadnaught here to reread Shraeye as he's the one with the blinky red light in my head right now.



I'm automatically suspicious of Shraeye simply due to bandwagon analysis. Assuming Shraeye is town means that all 3 scum were on the wagon, which is something I don't think they'd do D1.
This is pretty silly.  People keep relying on scum conveniently splitting themselves up, and people rely on this all the time when doing voting analysis.  You can bet that if I'm scum, I'm instructing my partners to all be on-wagon or off-wagon.  Every time.  Seriously, people take this on/off split as bible, and anytime that sort of analysis happens, scum can just manipulate the heck out of it.

The game is afoot, let's see how this plays out then.

I am a sharing flavor cop.

Due to the deaths that have happened so far this game, it is my strong suspicion that shraeye is scum, as we lynched Tesla (a townie) and Shraeye is his rival, Edison.  It would fit, thematically, for rival geniuses IRL to be rival geniuses in-game, and therefore I posit that shraeye is the scum of Menlow Park.

Vote: Shraeye
Yeah, I'm Edison.  I didn't know that he was Tesla's rival, but now that I do, a certain thing makes a lot more sense.  Arch built that rivalry into the game (maybe intentionally, maybe not), but not in a scum/town style.

Is this something you can clarify?  Role Madness is certainly not my forte, so I'm willing to admit that there's potential for weirdness I simply don't get.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 07:37:01 pm »
How likely do you think a Xeiron/Shraeye/Nkirbit scumteam might be?  They couldn't have expected the mass death of town last night, so the Xeiron wagon (which looked pretty certain not to pass based on the "I have a plan" gambit) would be a safe place to look towny if Xeiron flipped scum after his "plan" fell through (this is just assuming scum!Xeiron).

Just musing, but the concept intrigues me.  I'm certainly not sold on that team, as it were.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 07:31:33 pm »
I stayed off the Xeiron wagon so we could try his paper+pen thing.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 06:28:46 pm »
He specifically said he "might or might not" have more reason to believe it's in the game than the rest of us.

Xeiron, why are you being so dang shady about everything, especially your reads? Can you please get your reads out here? I'm going to find you scummy until you actually post your reads and defend them.

Agreed, this is kind of scummy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 05:56:50 pm »
Edit: replace "though" with "and although".

Also for some reason I thought we'd been through a third night, but as we've only been through 2 nights I only have one additional result.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 05:55:13 pm »
And you've only copped once, why?

I have copped more than once.  I don't have an argument to make based on the other results yet, though I suppose I -could- share them, it may or may not behoove town for me to do so.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 05:28:41 pm »
When you cop someone, you merely get their flavor name, and not their alignment?

Correct.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 05:07:06 pm »
The game is afoot, let's see how this plays out then.

I am a sharing flavor cop.

Due to the deaths that have happened so far this game, it is my strong suspicion that shraeye is scum, as we lynched Tesla (a townie) and Shraeye is his rival, Edison.  It would fit, thematically, for rival geniuses IRL to be rival geniuses in-game, and therefore I posit that shraeye is the scum of Menlow Park.

Vote: Shraeye

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 04:57:47 pm »
Depends on how firm your suspicion is. If you're pretty dang sure that he's scum, I'd say it's worth it.

I'm taking a bit of a leap, but not too much and it would fit with theme.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 04:53:13 pm »
At this point it seems to me very likely that I shall not be able to make my case without revealing quite a bit about myself that may or may not be beneficial for town to know.

Do I go for the reveal and explain why I think I'm right about my suspicion of shraeye?  I don't know what the appropriate play is here, so I'm willing to take suggestions from the crowd.

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Sounds like hilarious fun..

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 2!)
« on: July 08, 2013, 01:08:33 pm »
It seems like it.

Based on these results, I think shraeye is scum.  Xeiron might be scum if we can't see some fruit to his plan soon.  Or we might just all explode in a giant mess.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 3)
« on: July 07, 2013, 10:32:47 pm »
I'll confirm that

I am a Vanilla Townie

Also, just in case..

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 3)
« on: July 06, 2013, 08:38:23 pm »
Eevee, how do you feel about a yuma lynch - specifically, your thoughts on liopoil's argument?
Meh, the case is decent. I don't oppose it, it's okay. Voltaire's jailing target from last night is a BIG missing piece of information though, and it just might change everything completely.

No one else seems to be even remotely interested in talking theory, so maybe it's a mistake to pursue that line of discussion, at least until Voltaire claims.

I'm interested in talking theory - I"m just not particularly good at it yet.  I think I"m getting the idea, though!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 3)
« on: July 06, 2013, 07:13:26 pm »
Eevee, how do you feel about a yuma lynch - specifically, your thoughts on liopoil's argument?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 3)
« on: July 06, 2013, 02:03:32 pm »
I went through and did some rereading, and here's my opinion:

Out of the players left in the game, the likeliest targets in my mind for lynching are yuma and eevee - particularly Eevee.

liopoil does strike me as a bit scummy, but I don't think a liopoil mislynch would tell us as much as, say, a yuma mislynch.
voltaire theoretically could be scum faking jailkeeper, but that'd be an awfully sly move AND he'd have bussed his scumpartner, so that seems like a poor move if he's scum.

Eevee I'm completely reading into based on the things SB said before leaving - Eevee's been much more circumspect, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that SB was Mafia.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 3)
« on: July 06, 2013, 01:25:48 pm »
It's okay to quote modposts from within this thread, right?  Because as far as mafia rolecop question:

"Note: The Mafia must choose which player submits the night-kill; the Mafia Rolecop may submit an investigation AND night-kill, if desired."

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 3)
« on: July 06, 2013, 01:22:09 pm »
I would like for us not to lynch anyone until I can put up a proper post btw - voting's cool, it gets reactions, but no lynch plz. And I'd like eevee or chairs to seriously consider yuma so I can have a second opinion. Feel free to tell me I'm crazy if that's the conclusion you reach.

And gone till Sunday again.

Yuma's a hard read for me, but I'll try to give it a go.  Nobody's eaten at my gut the way Robz did.

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