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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Alchemy 2nd Edition
« on: October 05, 2016, 04:22:05 pm »The problem I have with Pstone is that if I'm sloggin' away, then I won't see the Potion before a longish while (and the Stone after a longer while), and when I'll see it there will be a very real possibility that I won't hit 3p and then I'll just feel sad.
Maybe if it cost 2p or less I'd feel more comfortable going for it.
Plan ahead.
In a Mountebank slog I once invested in my Potion on Turn 3/4. knowing that I absolutely needed the PS for any chance of getting Province. As the game slogged on victory was assured as each PS became a guaranteed Province.
PS is certainly a niche card but it enables strategies and counters that are otherwise unattainable. In my opinion, that gives it an extremely good reason to stay. There are certainly buffs that could be had like $2P for easier accessibility and perhaps a +Buy to make it easier to use excess cash. But suffice to say, it fills a role in dominion that currently no other card does making it a well designed card.
I agree, I love the card (despite potentially slow resolve times irl), but does P. Stone really benefit from having a potion cost, though? I feel it would be a niche card with or without the potion cost, so gating it off hurts it a lot more than other potion cards. I wonder how much better a P. Stone that only costs coins would be.
One thing this would do is that PS'd help you pick up more of itself - which, interestingly, would go with Alchemy's self-synergy theme. It'd have to cost $5, maybe even $6, but considering the self-synergy, i'm not even convinced this would be too much. It already costs "more" than $5, after all.
The problem is that it would really have to cost more than $6. Perhaps the best comparison is Bank at $7 which is a Kingdom Treasure without an upper bound and is really the opposite of PS. Bank is best is where you are drawing your entire deck thus maximizing Banks value. Because it can be both better or worse than Gold depending on how it is played its at $7. I don't think there are any complaints about Banks cost.
The difference with PS is that it shines in decks where you don't/can't draw your deck. In those situations your PS's gradually gain power as the game progresses. The challenge is that for some of those games, the $7 price range is unattainable. With $3P, you limit the access to PS but at the same time increase its accesability in sloggy games as $3P (equivalent of $5) is much much easier to attain than just a straight $7. If it were a straight $5, it would be too overpowered/accessible in its current state.