I am suspending But How Does It Combo With Scout? for today, since I am a tad busy, and I feel bad about how much free respect I've gotten! (Don't upvote this post.)
Pretty sure this one is obvious. Scout to draw estates. Butcher to turn estates into more Scouts. Win.
But then you have no estates to draw with scout... COPPERS INTO ESTATES!
Nobody has mentioned that this is a decent Copper trasher. Estate->Silver leaves you an extra token, with which you can Copper->Silver. Though it may often be better to save those coin tokens, especially if there is a better treasure trasher available.
That's actually pretty weaksauce. Mine does the same thing, but it allows you to keep the Silver in your hand, as well as working in other ways, and it's one of the worst $5 cards. I think if you're using Butcher to turn Copper into Silver, you're probably doing it wrong.
But this is so much more useful than Mine overall! And you could also turn copper into a $3 engine piece. Our save up more coin tokens to hit $4 or higher. The Silver example is a minimum which is still decent.
I disagree! I think Butcher will be about as good of a Copper trasher as Remodel, which is to say: very bad. If you're using it to get $3 cost cards, you're giving up a huge opportunity cost of using the coin tokens on other things, such as buying $5 or $6 cards that are going to likely help you much more than turning a Copper into a $3 card.
I agree for the most part. I rarely see myself trashing coppers into $3 cost cards. Instead, I see myself saving the coin tokens for better things. I mean, I am sure there will be a few times where getting that extra engine piece is nice, especially on a board laking +Buy, but overall, using this to trash coppers sounds lame.
I am suspending But How Does It Combo With Scout? for today, since I am a tad busy, and I feel bad about how much free respect I've gotten! (Don't upvote this post.)
Pretty sure this one is obvious. Scout to draw estates. Butcher to turn estates into more Scouts. Win.
But a big problem will be opportunity cost. Instead of butcher, you just could have bought a scout, which is absolutely powerful...
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Weird thought, what about a Mandarin/Doctor opening? It mitigates Mandarin's speed problems (though not as compared to other Doctor openings), it mitigates the economic costs of Doctor's early Copper trashing, and if necessary you can combo the topdecking ability with Doctor trashing. Getting rid of the Copper is also great for later use of the Mandarin on-buy ability, though that's probably a separate question.
You spend a bunch of Silver to mine for better things. You're workers are weary, almost giving up. Then, suddenly, they strike...
A bunch of women.
Almost any card's interaction with Harem is weird.
I guess at some you could have some card saying things like "1 VP per each other victory card giving less than 3 VP in your deck"I think an appropriate name for this card would be "Paradox". Well, it doesn't actually lead to paradoxes, but then you must accept that different copies of the same card can have different VP values.
For example, if your only victory cards are 8 Paradoxes, then it is consistent to have 3 of them being worth 2 VP and the rest worth 3 VP. But that's still weird.
But to try to get the topic back on topic (which is probably hopeless): I like the fact that OE is a victory card. Then the number of victory cards in your starting deck is reduced from 3 to "just" 1 instead of 0, which matters for quite a few cards.
Do you have a problem with the number zero? You know, it has feelings, too.Well, it's not the loneliest number, that would be 1. So what is zero?
0 implies nothingness, total absence of anything.
How many apples are 0 apples? No apples!
How can something that isn't there still have feelings?
I play platinum, then Amalgam, then 7 coppers.
Great for you, that's not easy to achieve.
But still, the amalgam doesn't automatically have to be the lowest valued card. It just depends on thekingdomorder.
Not the genus?
At first I thought this was a topology joke, but now I donut think it is.
I give you a new random and likely irrational number
Speaking of Black Market and the weird things it can do, has anyone effectively gotten Black Market + Poor House to work out particularly well? Seems like it has a high opportunity cost to set up and needs a lot of enablers, but so does Black Market and double Tactician.
Black Market + double tac doesn't really need any support other than those two, does it? BM-PH needs Village support, potentially +Buy as well. Tactician comes with both already.
Or what about this: kingdom is Mint/Feast/Gardens/Hamlet and no other cards of note.Ehhh.. I mean it's cute, but no way it's even remotely competitive.
You have a 5/2 opening and decide to go for Gardens (intending to empty the Gardens, Hamlets and Estates). You'd like to have a Mint (you're happy to copy a Copper for the cards and to maintain some economy in the face of greening, and the occasional free Silver makes it even better) but you hate to trash 5 Coppers, so you open Feast/Hamlet.
-Never spend $5 on a turn one feast
What if you're first and have a 5/2 open, but there is no $5 that you want right now (e.g. because the only $5 card is Duchy), yet there are a plethora of $4 cards, the relative strengths of which highly depend on how your opponent decides to play (ala Rock-Paper-Scissors). Might it not then be good to get the Feast, hoping that your opponent reveals his plan so that you can get the dominating card rather than the dominated?
Now I have no idea whether such a kingdom actually exists, and whether the advantage you gain outweighs the disadvantage of a slower start, and whether silver is not always the better buy in such a situation (it probably is), but it is not a priori clear that it's completely impossible to occur, so this may depend on the board
Probably depends on the board. I'd say if you got a silver already, that means you probably weren't going for poor houses - or else why would you have gotten the silver?
Right, but I meant, given the bad shuffle luck, is it better to change strategies and be a turn behind his opponent or continue on and likely still be behind with whatever he was going to do.
This is generally the worst possible idea. Playing your opponent's strategy from two turns behind is a great way to lose by two turns, because your deck is going to play out at the same pace as his.
Well if there's a kingdom where BM+FG is best, FG/FG would be the obvious opening. Does such a board exist?
Secret Chamber
Duchess
Perl Diver
Moat
Vagrant
Beggar
Cellar
Poor House
Embargo
Fool's Gold
I buy Embargo and Embargo the Fool's Gold.
Okay, replace Embargo with Lighthouse
Even though Moat is only +2 cards, I suspect BM-Moat is better than pure BM here--but only after the FGs are drained.
Well if there's a kingdom where BM+FG is best, FG/FG would be the obvious opening. Does such a board exist?
Secret Chamber
Duchess
Perl Diver
Moat
Vagrant
Beggar
Cellar
Poor House
Embargo
Fool's Gold
I buy Embargo and Embargo the Fool's Gold.
Well if there's a kingdom where BM+FG is best, FG/FG would be the obvious opening. Does such a board exist?
Probably depends on the board. I'd say if you got a silver already, that means you probably weren't going for poor houses - or else why would you have gotten the silver?
Opened chapel silver, turn four chapel silver CCC. My dad went for chapel-poorhouse. KILLED me.Real life game, my chapel did not connect my estates until after the 5th reshuffle.Well at least you culd get rid of your coppers...right?
My dad killed me that game.
