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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Most Skill-Intensive Cards
« on: January 10, 2012, 04:41:49 am »
I think of cards that require not just decision-making, but also some planning ahead:

Horn of Plenty
Ambassador
Torturer
Conspirator
Salvager, most of the trash-for-benefit cards

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2011 / Re: Schedule and Results, Part II
« on: January 09, 2012, 08:54:41 am »
Also, statistically, Fabian and manzi were "supposed" to have won in order to maintain the relative representation ratios of America/Europe/Asia, which up until now had behaved precisely as expected.

As it is, Turambar and manzi are going to fight it out for whether Europe or Asia gets a spot in the American Dominion Cup final four.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: My Fan Expansion
« on: January 09, 2012, 05:42:42 am »
OP said "Action card", and maybe we can assume he meant Kingdom card.  I'm not sure any other card explicitly references Kingdom cards, though, and so it's probably better if you just make it any card that costs $2 or more.

Overall, I thought this was a solid expansion without any glaring flaws.

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2011 / Re: Schedule and Results, Part II
« on: January 09, 2012, 02:24:43 am »
They're here: http://www.livestream.com/wanderingwinder
When and if they'll get up on the dominionstrategy youtube will be up to theory. But it's not quite 4 AM where he is yet, so I wouldn't expect anything.
Email or DropBox them to me and I'll upload them when I get back from work.

Alternatively, I've also PMed you a direct email link that you should be able to use to upload videos to the DS account.  Send an email to that address and any attached videos will be uploaded to the DominionStrategy channel.

It looks like a great series and a remarkably high level of play on both sides.  Hopefully the semifinals demonstrate the same.

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2011 / Re: Schedule and Results, Part II
« on: January 07, 2012, 12:02:38 pm »
This is the only division where the top two seeds made it into the division finals ...

(The others being 4v2, 12v2, and 8v7.)

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Dominion Articles / Re: Updating the Top 5 lists
« on: January 06, 2012, 10:50:58 am »
Here's a question I'm grappling with as I write the Worst $4's list:

Are these rankings based on how bad the cards are when you consider adding them to any random deck you're building?  Or are they based on how helpful they are when you do buy them?  Or both?

Clearly, throwing Coppersmith into a random deck is pretty awful.  But when you do buy Coppersmith and build for it, it's glorious.  Spy, on the other hand, is basically always a mediocre addition to your deck.

(Maybe multiply how good it is by how often it is likely to be good?)

My sense is that, especially since these are sort of instructional, that I should go with the former (i.e., Coppersmith is worse than Spy), and explain why they are so rarely bought in the first place.  This is also, I believe, the approach the list has mostly taken thus far.

Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and work harder at making these official.  Qvist's topic is quite good.

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AFAIK, the point of "correct" poker play is that you would have made the same play even if you knew everyone's cards, NOT that you win the hand.  So it's very possible (and happens more often than you'd like) that you make the correct play, only to end up losing.

I do think that poker manages to balance out this luck quite a bit with betting, since no one forces you to participate in the hand with 72o, and good players milk  AA for much more than a bad player.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Male vs Female Cards
« on: January 06, 2012, 03:00:59 am »
I actually personally know one person who was introduced to boardgaming via Puerto Rico, but hated it and vowed never to play another Eurogame again because of its racist depiction of colonists.

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Comparing Fortune Teller to Bureaucrat seems interesting, as both are terminal actions that sorta do the same things (giving you $2 and topdecking the opponent's green), but obviously go about them in quite different ways.  Fortune Teller gives you +$2 right away; Bureaucrat gives you a Silver in your next draw.  And Fortune Teller digs through the opponent's deck for a green, while Bureaucrat hits them again with a green they already have in hand.

That said, Bureaucrat "must" be better than Fortune Teller because it costs $4 instead of $3.  Discussion so far in this thread seems to agree with that conclusion.  Yet Bureaucrat does have some inarguable drawbacks - it doesn't increase your buying power in the turn you actually play it (unless you sneak it into the middle of a +Actions/+Cards run), and if your opponent isn't holding green its attack has no effect.  So what is it about how Bureacrat does things that makes it better than Fortune Teller?  Is it that important to have a card breeding Silvers without you having to buy them (and if so, why are things like Workshop and Explorer looked down upon)?  Is it that much more effective to hit your opponent twice with a green they already have in hand, despite the risk your attack may whiff if their green is all in their deck?

Note that I, too, consider Bureaucrat to be more useful than Fortune Teller, though I'm having a difficult time exactly articulating why, and would be curious to hear other folks' thoughts.
1) Because the attack does hurt more if you're putting stuff from your hand onto your deck, by slowing your cycling.

2) Because the Silvers accumulate over time in a way that FT does not.

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And then there's Oracle at 21... wow. Yeah, the attack isn't the best in the world, but man it feels good when you can discard your opponent's Witch and Gold. But that's not even the best part of the card. +2 cards isn't great, no, but you've got a fair bit of control over what those 2 cards will be. And if you discard the first two, you've just got yourself 4 cards worth of cycling. For $3. With an attack included. Early game I often discard 2 Coppers and draw Copper, Estate instead simply because that gets me to the Gold that I just bought even quicker. I mean, I didn't have Oracle in my top 10 or anything... but there is no way it's the 6th worst $3 card.

I agree completely.

I mean, compare it to Smithy. It draws one card more, but Oracle can draw selectively to some extend (so it somewhat favors quality over quantity). This is of course weaker, but it costs less and has a decent attack as added bonus.

It's not a game dominating card (though Oracle/Money is not bad at all), but way better than #21.

However, I've not voted here, so I'm not in a position to complain. Fortune Teller and Woodcutter would have been also quite low on my list, simply because something has to be there and most other cards are just a bit better.
"1 card more" is also the difference between Smithy and Moat.

Really, Smithy reads, draw my replacement card, then 2 more, and Moat/Oracle reads, draw my replacement card, and 1 more.  It's a huge difference.

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Puzzles and Challenges / How do you Develop a $4 card into two $5's?
« on: January 05, 2012, 10:03:36 am »
Dedicated forum readers will already know the answer, which was sort of posted here (though not in puzzle form): http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1345.msg21875#msg21875

But if you haven't seen it yet, this is a good brain-teaser!

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Feedback / Re: Slight delay
« on: January 05, 2012, 05:00:05 am »
I went 3-for-3 against those Londoners at The Resistance.  Maybe Americans are simply better at lying through our teeth than noble Englishmen. 

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How about this -- I just upped the max characters to 200K characters/post.  I don't want to make it truly unlimited for fear of abuse, but do you think 200K is enough?

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Feedback / Re: Slight delay
« on: January 04, 2012, 11:09:01 am »
It appears that London on Board meets about a block away from work.  I think I'll be spending plenty of time with these guys while I'm here in England (though of course I'll also try to make it up to York!).


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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Places with Dominion card names
« on: January 04, 2012, 07:38:52 am »
If we're going with events, then perhaps the most famous is the Pawnee Harvest Festival.

EDIT: (...which was known for its Curse.)
Having just watched this episode, I remembered this quote and came back to upvote it.

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Feedback / Re: Slight delay
« on: January 04, 2012, 07:10:14 am »
Do most people drive in London?  In New York, I don't know a single person that owns a car in the city, and everyone uses public transit.

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Feedback / Re: Slight delay
« on: January 03, 2012, 08:48:46 am »
How would I get up to York?  Assume I am not driving.

I would love to meet with people here and do some in-person gaming.

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Feedback / Slight delay
« on: January 03, 2012, 05:14:37 am »
I just moved to London, where I'll be for the next three months for work.  It's been pretty hectic.  I've already got all the articles lined up on the site for the next week or so, but things like updating the championships bracket and posting the best 2011 isotropic moments will be delayed a couple of days.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: I read it differently
« on: January 02, 2012, 07:48:22 am »
I tend to forget that Chapel limits you to trashing four cards. Of course, it doesn't often matter.
Same here.  OTOH, you have moments like this: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1143.msg18903#msg18903

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2011 / Re: Bracket for the 2011 DominionStrategy.com Championships
« on: December 31, 2011, 03:24:27 pm »
The new bracket is posted.  The old brackets can be found here: http://dominionstrategy.challonge.com/

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General Discussion / Re: Demographics of F.DS
« on: December 30, 2011, 05:47:35 pm »
Poll added.

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Game Reports / Re: Wharf + KC sickness
« on: December 30, 2011, 11:49:56 am »
I suppose it doesn't really hurt, because your KC-Wharves draw everything and so the fact that it takes up a slot in your hand is not too important.  But wouldn't it have sucked to draw 3 Estates + Lookout + KC?  You don't have much to trash other than the Estates anyway.

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Game Reports / Re: Wharf + KC sickness
« on: December 30, 2011, 10:39:56 am »
I think Quarry is really the insane part of this game, making KC-Wharf even more ridiculous than it already is.

I'm also puzzled by why you bought the Lookout, but I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the game.

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2011 / Re: 2011 DominionStrategy.com Kingdom Design Challenge Rules
« on: December 29, 2011, 03:52:09 pm »
There's a chance none of them will be used anyway, if WW makes it to the final.  As far as I can tell, he's the only one left in the tournament who had submitted a kingdom.

After the final, I'll make all the other submissions public as well, along with comments, if you guys are interested in playing some custom sets when in real life.

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2011 / Re: Schedule and Results, Part II
« on: December 29, 2011, 03:35:27 pm »
Game 7: olneyce 36 – 19 First
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201112/29/game-20111229-115627-927fa68e.html
Key cards: Witch, Develop, Scheme, Adventurer, Stash
I buy Explorer, Adventurer, Develop, Thief, and Stash.  In the final game of the fifth round of the tournament.  And win.  Yay for weak cards!  I open Develop/Spice Merchant and First comments that Develop is terrible for trashing.  I then immediately Develop my Spice Merchant into a Witch and Scheme.  Which lets me dish out two curses before the second reshuffle.  I won the curse race 7/3 thanks to my Schemed Witches.  At that point, since there was absolutely no engine potential, it was simply a matter of accumulating money and getting it all together into one hand.  Stash is obviously helpful there, as is Adventurer and (to a lesser extent) Thief.
So, is Develop/Random $4 on a Scheme/Mountebank or Scheme/Witch board worth the 65% risk or so that they don't collide?  Or was this an anomaly?

On 2/3 of boards, you have one bad opening card and hopefully one not that bad opening card.  On 1/3 of boards, you have a basically unstoppable topdecked pair of cards.

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