So are the tokens part of the base setup now, or are they only in use when there is an event that calls for any specific token?The tokens are only used when they're used! I'm not sure what you're thinking of doing with them when nothing uses them.
Lost Arts does not set aside a card; Inheritance does.I am guessing that the +1 action token is no longer effective once the supply pile you put it on its empty (a la band of misfits)? Or is it viable for the rest of the game, regardless?
I suppose it is still effective, as you set aside the card (and also it would prevent that card to be bought and count towards emptying the pile).
That's why it prevents setting aside Victory cards. If not, you could set aside the last Province for $7 if you want to trigger the end of the game.
What happen when you put estate token on Sir Martin? (And ruins)?You set aside the card with the token. So Inheritance on Sir Martin makes your Estates into Sir Martins and that's that; the other Knights aren't involved. Inheritance on Ruined Market makes your Estates produce +1 Buy, etc.
What happen when the pile of knight or ruins run out?
How does the -1 Card token work with Venture and Loan? Do they fail to draw their Treasure?The token only affects drawing, with the additional caveat that Envoy is misworded and does not draw those cards. So Venture for example works normally, and leaves the token on your deck (or, to handle it physically, you take the token off and then put it back, but in game terms it never left).
If I use Inheritance to set aside a card from a pile with a +1 Action token on it, does the estate get +1 Action? Or more fundamentally, does the additional action come solely from the token or does the token imbue the cards themselves with +1 Action?No, Lost Arts refers to the pile the cards were from. Estates are from the Estates pile (even your starting ones). The +1 Action is a thing that triggers when playing a card from the pile with the token on it.
The -1 card token goes on your draw pile, and the time you would draw a card, instead you just take the token off your draw pile. So if you would draw 5 cards, you draw 4 and remove the token. The Action token goes on a supply pile and is not affected by people buying cards from that pile.And in fact the -1 Card token has text on it, you don't just need to consult the rulebook there. It says something like "When you would draw a card, remove this instead."
So, Borrow, or the way Donald is talking about it, makes me think that the token will leave your deck when you draw that next card. i.e. you get a 4 card hand 1 time for each use of Borrow. Does this mean that if someone buys a card from the Smithy stack on which I've put my +1 action token for Lost Arts, the token leaves that stack? That would seem to make LA way way worse though. So maybe, especially since nothing says they do, the tokens just always stay there until a card tells you to move them. But in that case, Borrow means you're drawing 4 card hands for the rest of the game, from just one use (of course, I guess after you use it the first time, you can use it every turn after for no penalty). Am I grokking this correctly?"Once per turn" means you can only buy Borrow once per turn. When you do buy it, you get +1 Buy, and if your -1 Card token isn't on your deck, put it there and get +$1.
Edit: And re-reading, I can't even get $1 per turn (without something to move my -1 card token somewhere else), just once total ever overall period.
I am guessing that the +1 action token is no longer effective once the supply pile you put it on its empty (a la band of misfits)? Or is it viable for the rest of the game, regardless?The token works even if the pile is empty, and can be put on an empty pile.
So if I buy both Inheritance and Lost Arts calling the same action card, do I get +1 action when I play my Estate?No. Your Estates aren't from that pile.
Wait a minute, how does Expedition work with Outpost (if you play/buy both on the same turn)? My guess is that you will draw 5 cards (3 because of Outpost, then an extra 2 from Expedition). But it could also be that Outpost tells you specifically to draw 3 cards, so that's what you would have to draw. Outpost doesn't say 2 fewer cards, it says 3 cards.You'll get 5 cards. There will be a rulebook, it will cover most of these important questions.
Possession has a funny interaction with Mission.You can't decide to do Possession first. When two things happen to different players at the same time, you go in turn order; the Mission turn will happen ahead of the Possession turn.
If I play Possession in my turn and buy a Mission, I get two extra turns. I decide to do Possession first, then my Mission extra turn. Because you took a possessed turn between my turns, I may buy another Mission on my Mission turn.
So all I need is a engine that draws my deck and generates 4$, then I can possess/Mission until you resign (or the random number generator collapses my engine).
Do we know why Amazon lists the release date as April 27? I usually rely on Amazon for getting my Dominion expansions and I don't want to have to wait until the 27th!Currently they say April 23. However they also say it's an Adventure Time expansion. I don't know how Amazon comes by its info; Jay is still saying April 18.
Question about the interaction of Expedition/Minion...No. This question doesn't make any sense (I can't play Minion after buying Expedition and before getting my next hand) but that's okay, it's still no.
Does the Minion effect is a next hand? If i Discard my hand and draw the four cards... Is it a new hand?
Actually, I already have a question regarding Mission/Outpost. If I play an Outpost and buy a Mission in the same turn, couldn't I choose to play the Outpost turn first and get 3 in a row? In this case, Outpost is not causing me to take more than 2 consecutive turns (since it's only my second consecutive turn) and at the time that I buy Mission the previous turn wasn't mine, so it seems that that effect should trigger, too. That feels like a stretch, but a legalistic interpretation of the wording on the cards would seem to suggest this is allowed. Am I missing something?Yes you can resolve the Outpost turn first and still get the Mission turn.
I tried to start a thread about how cool the color orange is and all anyone did was talk about this stupid new Dominion card.Just use the [orange] tag. Then people can't talk about other colors.
Annette Hanshaw - I've Got It But It Don't Do Me No Goodyes, both messenger and ironworks hinge on what the meaning of "it" is. For ironworks, the ruling was that the "it" is the card ironworks tried to gain; since it wasn't gained, ironworks fizzles. Seems clear that "it" should mean the same thing on both cards.
I don't know what "it" is, but he's got it.
Messenger/trader, what happens (i.e. I take a curse and reveal trader to take a silver)? My feeling is no one gains anything ( except I gain the silver ).I am not at home and so will consider this question some other time, when I have easy access to rulebooks and things.
Why does Messenger restrict itself to being your first buy? Why not just have it be the first time you buy Messenger on a turn? I can see some sad days online when you accidentally buy a Province before Messenger.The text has to fit on the cards. We didn't know the Chancellor part would be scrunched, and with that on two lines you can't fit any more lines.
Do events have the blue randomizer back? Or a brand new unique back? I assume it must be blue so that they match with the randomizers because that is how you are supposed to select them, but a new card back would be cooler.They have the regular randomizer back.
Agreed. After tomorrow's last round of previews, how about a post from Mr. Tummelson with an update on availability?As of today Jay says April 18. The Event cards are the same size as all the other cards.
Also, what size are the event cards?
No. "Once per turn" means you can't buy it twice in one turn. When you buy it, the rest happens, starting with an "if" that may end up true or false. Both things together stop you from taking more than 2 turns in a row with it."Once per turn" on Mission means you can't buy it twice in one turn. You can buy it on the Mission turn, but of course that won't do you much good, because the previous turn was yours.
Expedition has the phrasing that means everyone immediately knows what it does. For people who demand more precision, there's a rulebook.
Ohhhh, the "if the previous turn wasn't yours" applies to when you can buy Mission, not when you can take a Mission turn. I was reading that all kinds of wrong. It makes so much more sense now, it's just doing the Outposty no consecutive turns thing.
- maybe a card that gives the 2nd player an advantage (Lost City, Messenger?)I was thinking of Messenger. A trivial case is, I go 2nd and get 3/4, turn two I buy Messenger and pass out say Silvers. My Silver is shuffled into my deck but yours isn't. And the 2nd player is in a better position for doing stuff like handing out a superfluous Moneylender.
2) irrelevant tangents for sure. I realize this isn't exactly helpful, but there comes a certain point where discussion of edge cases becomes off topic. I have no idea how to identify this point, though. It's probably subjective; all I know is that I think it should be less than what it is, but not zero. Yup, not helpful at all.Man Adam, stick to the topic! If you want a thread for discussing what should be allowed in serious-tagged threads, make it in Feedback. This thread is for complaining about the lack of quality posts. And yes this post is off-topic too, but I'm not the one advocating no off-topic posts, so there.
