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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 30, 2013, 07:05:33 pm »

Vote Count 1.9

raerae (1)  xeiron
shraeye (2) EFHW, theorel
chairs (1) raerae
Twistedarcher (3) spiritbears, chairs, Eevee
mail-mi (1) ashersky
xeiron (2) shraeye, mail-mi
spiritbears (2) nkirbit, Twistedarcher

Not Voting: (1) AHoppy

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day one ends on Monday, July 15th.

And I'm caught up.

Nothing happened in all those pages to make me think mail-mi is a bad lynch.  I do think raerae, shraeye, TA, and sb are not good D1 lynch options, so all y'all should choose someone else.

Let's lynch someone in the background.  At least one scum is hiding there.

I agree with ash here that raerae, shraeye, and TA are not good lunches today. Also that we should lynch someone in the background.

However, I think SB might be a good lunch. Not as good as X, but still good.

I'd much prefer to have you for lunch....

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 30, 2013, 06:59:13 pm »

Vote Count 1.9

raerae (1)  xeiron
shraeye (2) EFHW, theorel
chairs (1) raerae
Twistedarcher (3) spiritbears, chairs, Eevee
mail-mi (1) ashersky
xeiron (2) shraeye, mail-mi
spiritbears (2) nkirbit, Twistedarcher

Not Voting: (1) AHoppy

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day one ends on Monday, July 15th.

And I'm caught up.

Nothing happened in all those pages to make me think mail-mi is a bad lynch.  I do think raerae, shraeye, TA, and sb are not good D1 lynch options, so all y'all should choose someone else.

Let's lynch someone in the background.  At least one scum is hiding there.

unvote
So exactly who do you think are the good options?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXVI: Back to Basics (Day 1 start)

« on: June 30, 2013, 06:50:47 pm »

I didn't flip on nk.  I got pissed off st his unwillingness to defend himsellf.  I had s town read all along, but when he woukdnt even consider that there was scum on his train and wouldn't do anything to help his car, I put him out of his misery. 
If that makes me scummy oh well
I guess you all know how I feel about anyway

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 30, 2013, 06:25:54 pm »

Sorry
Had to step away to cool off
Mostly I'm sorry to ahop, you really didn't deserve that and I just don't have an excuse
I've probably messed this up bad and if you guys want me gone I'll step aside won't contest the lynch

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 29, 2013, 12:54:26 am »

And BS TO YOUR LOUSY claim that TA wasnt attacking me....maybe its that you dont read carefully or at all...but TA said my coming down on the efhw side of the argument was not a legitmste position. And that only scum would see it that way...he spent he entire time tunneling me claiming every single one of my positions were not legitimate.
But noooo that's not an attack huh?
F this
If this is how you want to play I'll full claim and get out of your way..

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 29, 2013, 12:48:23 am »

Alright, so I reread the Spiritbears/Twistedarcher debacle, and I think that is the only reread I'm going to get in tonight.  I need an early bedtime... anyways on to what I think

Overall, I think spiritbears comes out of this looking pretty scummy to me.  Yes I know, earlier I said that reactionary spiritbears is town spiritbears, at least from my one experience with him.  But this felt different.  Twistedarcher's case is that he finds it odd that SB votes shraeye with very little evidence and believes EFHW.  Also, spiritbears keeps his vote on ash even after ash has said his raerae vote was for reactions.  SB even gets upset that people aren't looking at ash.  This is the case that TA presents. 

Spiritbears' response (paraphrasing from notes I made during my reread):
- you have a bunch of fluffed up nothing making me look scummy
- TA thinks SB is scummy because his reads are different from his own. 
- I don't need to explain, it's all there

I don't understand the stubbornness.  Just answer the question.  If he had a legitimate scumread on shraeye, he could easily have reproduced the case/his thought process on his vote.  Or he could just say "He feels scummier to me".  Which to me, would be a perfectly valid argument D1.  Weak, but considering he thought shraeye's case was weak, I would think he had more.  TA remains calm throughout this whole case, while spiritbears thinks he is attacking him personally.  This just wasn't what TA was doing.

With SB avoiding the question, never really giving a satisfactory answer and being uncooperative I see him as pretty scummy coming out of this.

I can't put a vote down yet because I still have a couple of pages to get through, but I will hopefully get that done tomorrow night.  Sorry this is taking so long.

Reminder: I'll be V/LA until next Saturday.  I'll make a post in the V/LA thread.

I didn't avoid it.  I did answer. This is exactly why that crappy takedown by TA pissed me off...because people that can't read are just going to sheep it and day "geez sb, how could you be so scummy"

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: [DLR] Chapter 1: The White Calf

« on: June 28, 2013, 03:18:38 pm »

Looking around and worrying the Danonites might be behind this....
Notice

Rolled 1d6 : 4, total 4

Wild

Rolled 1d6 : 2, total 2

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 10:20:49 am »

58quote author=ashersky link=topic=8002.msg262828#msg262828 date=1372425012]
We could use a game plan.  Soft deadline in 4 days?  Where are shraerae, anyway?
[/quote]
That sounds good to me
@Theo/ahop
=-I agree with Theo about the incompleteness of your reads ahop. Which is why I asked for more info‰
I think the stuff you pointed out about x is the most interesting
However, your no-lynch ides sortie me...is this not the second time youve brought it up?
I generally disagree withnolynch (reslly as a policy ) fi77tnd it scummy. (Never been scum, so I don't know how I would view it if I wss).. --but since you have time to complete you resds, , perhaps you could address this and explain how it'd not scummy...or maybe you agree it is scummy?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:52:17 am »

(Besides). (You are the...)

Oh and severe---don't worry, I'll hold done that scum read on ash for you

You always have a scum read on me.  Except when I was scum!

I am never going to live that down ......

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:45:16 am »

(Besides). (You are the...)

Oh and severe---don't worry, I'll hold done that scum read on ash for you

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:40:49 am »

SB:  I agree I haven't made any "hard" or "independent" stands today.  But it's still relatively early Day1, and I've been actively contributing for like, 5 hours, really.  But if you want to look at "hard" and "independent" reads I've made in the past go look:

1.  I pushed hard for lynching Eevee over Sudgy day 3 of Shakespeare.  I was obviously wrong, and eventually came around, and am glad I did, but pushing for Eevee was by no means the popular opinion.

2.  I decided to lynch Insomniac over Eevee day 1 in ZM14.  This was after asking who wanted to lynch Eevee, and literally every single town member said they were in favor of it, but I moved us to Insomniac.  Wouldn't the popular thing be to lynch Eevee?

3.  Why am I doing this?

Look, you're entitled to your opinion, I just strongly believe it's wrong.  And a little bit insulting, if I'm being honest, and didn't really have anything to do with anything that was going on.

You might want to rethink number 2

I know you were okay with Insomniac too.  But I didn't make the decision thinking "Oh, I'm doing this because SB wanted me to."

Why are you doing this, anyway?  What point are you trying to prove?  That I'm not capable of independent thought?  Sounds like a great ordeal to undertake!

Ok with it+!?!?! We jumped off our main read, and you and TA asked ME eevee or insom.  I chose insom and you agreed...

Braises. Im not doing anything...you Str the one running with it.  Sounds like i hit à nerve. Sorry if you found it insulting. I literally do see you like a peacemaker role...someone that likes consensus

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:27:17 am »

SB:  I agree I haven't made any "hard" or "independent" stands today.  But it's still relatively early Day1, and I've been actively contributing for like, 5 hours, really.  But if you want to look at "hard" and "independent" reads I've made in the past go look:

1.  I pushed hard for lynching Eevee over Sudgy day 3 of Shakespeare.  I was obviously wrong, and eventually came around, and am glad I did, but pushing for Eevee was by no means the popular opinion.

2.  I decided to lynch Insomniac over Eevee day 1 in ZM14.  This was after asking who wanted to lynch Eevee, and literally every single town member said they were in favor of it, but I moved us to Insomniac.  Wouldn't the popular thing be to lynch Eevee?

3.  Why am I doing this?

Look, you're entitled to your opinion, I just strongly believe it's wrong.  And a little bit insulting, if I'm being honest, and didn't really have anything to do with anything that was going on.

You might want to rethink number 2

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:23:53 am »

Alright.  I can accept that.  Now that you have brought to light theory in my post, the exact thing I was called out for too much of, what do you think of my reads on other people?

I agree the thing you pointed out about xerion is problematic. I'm not ready to call it scummy.  But it is strange.
Of course I disagree that I was overly defensive--would I have like to handle it differently, sure...but I am who I am. And when I feel I'm not getting treated fairly I react...I'm sure Ta would agree I was overly defensive
I'd like to see more of your reads on ash, eevee and nk though...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:13:13 am »

Well, twice.  And one of those statements was that mail-mi regularly comes off as scummy, which is one of the least controversial positions possible.

Well gee thanks 

Mai, why are you still voting severe when he is fully contributing now? 

That was my main reason, unvote.

I'm not sure he's been absent.  I don't think that's quite fair....probably the huge chunks of theory talk bury his contributions. Which I think have been on par...

Wait what? Weren't you just pushing a bit on nkirbit?

I push on everyone....I never for one second said i found nk scummy

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:11:54 am »

Ahop eas speculating nk. You don't need to treat that like gospel.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:08:02 am »

I'm not sure he's been absent.  I don't think that's quite fair....probably the huge chunks of theory talk bury his contributions. Which I think have been on par...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:04:40 am »

I was in the minority for finding information in Ahoppy's post.  I don't even have to go back 10 posts to answer that question.

I'm not going to comment on B2B, but I disagree with that as well.

That's a "hard" or "independent" stand???
This is why we don't understand each other...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:02:23 am »

Mai, why are you still voting severe when he is fully contributing now? 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 27, 2013, 11:59:45 pm »

I don't think it's really easy at all, I didn't even realize there was any new info, so it certainly isn't obvious.

I don't believe there is any nee info there....
If there's one thing nk does is try and sound like he's always on the majority side....don't ever expect him to take a hard or independent stand

Can you back that up?  Because I just think that's not true.

Just this game....name one read that you were in the minority on?  Can you name even one time you took an unpopular stand?...in the other game you were just mislynched in it was caused by your refusal to buck the majority...even when they wanted to lunch you! I really think it's a hallmark of your play...which puts you in a safe position usually...but not always

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 27, 2013, 11:53:00 pm »

I don't think it's really easy at all, I didn't even realize there was any new info, so it certainly isn't obvious.

I don't believe there is any nee info there....
If there's one thing nk does is try and sound like he's always on the majority side....don't ever expect him to take a hard or independent stand

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 27, 2013, 09:05:27 pm »

Why the scumread on me, mail-mi? Just me not posting enough, or something else too?

Not posting enough, and what ash said, and you just feel off this game.

This is kindof funny coming from a chronic underposter....

Severe usually posts a lot more tho.

Severe pokemon?  I like that name for him

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 27, 2013, 09:01:34 pm »

Why the scumread on me, mail-mi? Just me not posting enough, or something else too?

Not posting enough, and what ash said, and you just feel off this game.

This is kindof funny coming from a chronic underposter....

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 27, 2013, 07:14:03 pm »

SB, I think TA's case was a perfectly fair one to make, and not at all pretentious or unreasonable or anything else.

You also missed what I said about efhw......

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 27, 2013, 07:11:11 pm »

Am I not allowed to make a case anymore? I mean, I don't know what I can do. It's frustrating to make what I think is a reasonable case and have it dismissed as me being pretentious and condescending, me tunnelling, me being scummy.

People make cases in this game, SB. People get accused. It happens. It's part of the game.

Note to self: No more cases on SB, it's not worth the frustration. Even if it makes us less likely to win.

Unvote

Give me a break...you tunnel me all game and all of s sudden when i push back that's unfair to you!!!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)

« on: June 27, 2013, 07:09:22 pm »

Okay this has all the makings of a mislynch!

TA, you found sort of a contradiction in spirit's position. Before diving further to the rabbit hole, do you think it's more likely he just got stubborn with a read and carried away when it got questioned or that he is scum and playing in a very obvious way?

The reason I think this case on spirit is indeed weaksauce is that he has no reason to act like that as mafia. This feels a lot like you got so excited you found something that you aren't seeing what it is you found.

Definitely comfortable sheeping onto this view.  I still don't know exactly why SB has a town read on EFHW, and would like to hear the reason why, and I'm seeing what TA is saying, but I just think SB being town fits my picture better.

This is the thing that gets frustrating about being tunneled unfairly...people start to by whst the tunneler days without checking for themselves.  It really isn't that far back, where I explained my read on efhw...and that the read had been consistent since early on in this game. Her observations have been spit on and I agree with her reads. Yet TA claims that's scummy since EFHW IS SUCH OBVISCUM...