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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 10, 2013, 06:25:36 pm »

I read a few of the posts.

I really don't have the patience to read extensive and unnecessarily long posts continuing on a conversation that will be going no-where.

I'd like some sort of summary of peoples suspicions, like a scum read list, except with reasons as to why they have these scum reads.

Furthermore, I hate how I have had to stress (So many times) that I have a tight schedule, and even doing this is pushing it, though I somehow manage to push it in and keep things together (Barely.)

To what Yuma said:
People don't want suspicion cast down on them in the first place.
You point out that townies talk more to make themselves seem like townies, but that's doing the exact same thing as not wanting suspicion, but in a different strategy.

A supposed townie read could be: "He'z a townie cuz he poztz a lawt. yeh."
Wouldn't you be kinda embarrassed if it turned out he was a Mafia posting a lot to look like a townie? And you probably lynched a few townies along the way?

But, like, what's the alternative? Random lynching?

On the first day? Yes. Analyzing comes tomorrow

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that you can think that a random lynch is actually best for town. Chances are, we'll hit town yea, but the process in getting there is so important, analyzing who voted whom, and interactions. There's what, 7-9 VTs in this game? Daytime discussion is their (and mine, as well) ONLY power in this game -- if we were to just throw that away, then we're just sitting there waiting to get killed!

Random lynches are GREAT for mafia -- and it makes me think you might be one...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 10, 2013, 06:18:24 pm »

Need to catch up, been directing my attention at conspiracy theories too much.

Okay let's let her claim before we lynch. Quick hammers are not usually in the interest of town.

I think systematically bringing people to L-1 and asking them to claim is not a good idea at all. Either we risk exposing our PRs, or we narrow down the candidate of PRs for the bad guys to kill.

We weren't doing it systematically. Axxle2 thought that she was at L-1 (and I went along with that line of thought) so we don't want to lynch her until she has a chance to defend herself.

Right, but there's a difference between giving her a chance to defend herself, and immediately asking for a claim. Claims seem bad D1 -- as a townie, there's no need for me to know who our power roles our -- I'd rather it remain secret to myself, and everyone, until the person has something to say (such as outing a mafia member).

Demanding a claim immediately when L-1 is reached seems like either poor town play or scum wanting to narrow down the pool of possible power roles. I'd assume that scum would claim VT, especially in this setup -- and a VT would also claim VT, obviously. The only reason to have a claim, therefore, would be for a power role to out themselves, and asking for a role-claim automatically, without considering the benefits and drawbacks, just strikes me as pretty darn scummy.

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Forum Games / Re: Two Rooms and a Boom Sign Up Thread

« on: April 10, 2013, 05:41:08 pm »

Are we going by the deadline at 5 pm that just passed? Or do we want to extend it a little bit?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 10, 2013, 05:36:14 pm »

I read a few of the posts.

I really don't have the patience to read extensive and unnecessarily long posts continuing on a conversation that will be going no-where.

I'd like some sort of summary of peoples suspicions, like a scum read list, except with reasons as to why they have these scum reads.

Furthermore, I hate how I have had to stress (So many times) that I have a tight schedule, and even doing this is pushing it, though I somehow manage to push it in and keep things together (Barely.)

To what Yuma said:
People don't want suspicion cast down on them in the first place.
You point out that townies talk more to make themselves seem like townies, but that's doing the exact same thing as not wanting suspicion, but in a different strategy.

A supposed townie read could be: "He'z a townie cuz he poztz a lawt. yeh."
Wouldn't you be kinda embarrassed if it turned out he was a Mafia posting a lot to look like a townie? And you probably lynched a few townies along the way?

But, like, what's the alternative? Random lynching?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 10, 2013, 12:23:49 am »

Also, Rob has a good summary, however I'm not sure his conclusion is watertight

Why not? PLease give us SOMETHING.

It's just... Theres not enough. Not yet at least. People haven't made enough posts to seem scummy to me, and from what I've gathered from other games, scum doesn't usually buddy on D1, as its a pretty big tell.

That's what the whole lynch sudgy / lilo arguement is based on, really, the fact that they're buddying. I just don't see a competent scum pair doing that.

I wholeheartedly agree with this, but Lio's posts have seen scummier to me than anything Sudgy has done.

What about the people pushing the Lio/Sudgy scum pair argument? Still nothing?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 10, 2013, 12:10:25 am »

Also, Rob has a good summary, however I'm not sure his conclusion is watertight

Why not? PLease give us SOMETHING.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 09, 2013, 11:32:17 pm »

Box and Des: Talk more!

well from what I know about both of them I would say this is pretty standard play. And I am mostly ok with it. Especially at this early point. Yes talking more would be good, but is there anything in particular that you would like them to talk about? I know that previously when I tended to lurk a bit more I responded better to specific questions (both as a town and scum player).

Still, 4 posts isn't really enough. How on earth are we supposed to get a read on them?

Box, Des:
PLease provide your thoughts on the scuminess of Liopoil and Sudgy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 09, 2013, 12:51:32 pm »

Okay let's let her claim before we lynch. Quick hammers are not usually in the interest of town.

I think systematically bringing people to L-1 and asking them to claim is not a good idea at all. Either we risk exposing our PRs, or we narrow down the candidate of PRs for the bad guys to kill.

I have done this successfully in the newbie mafia game against mail-mi, I can see him taking the strategy.

Sorry, can you clarify this? You were mafia and got him to claim and it worked against him?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 09, 2013, 12:12:00 pm »

Okay let's let her claim before we lynch. Quick hammers are not usually in the interest of town.

I think systematically bringing people to L-1 and asking them to claim is not a good idea at all. Either we risk exposing our PRs, or we narrow down the candidate of PRs for the bad guys to kill.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 09, 2013, 12:07:07 pm »

Wait wait wait were there posts by axxle that got deleted? I didn't get a chance to read them. Yeah he posted on the wrong account but why should they be deleted because of that?

They are exactly the same as the ones I posted on this account.

Okay, I just wanted to make sure. But if you accidentally do it again, could you leave it rather than deleting it? It sucks that you post on the wrong account, but a post is a post, and everyone should see it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:56:12 am »

I'll read them again, but I didn't see anything, and I doubt they are stupid enough to both be scum AND appear like they are in cahoots.

Also, it's going to get confusing if you keep switching accounts.

This. I meant to say it earlier but I didn't. To me, sudgy in particular is playing way too sloppy and throwing votes around way too much to be scum. And I can't see scum buddying up d1, especially when nothing has happened yet!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 09, 2013, 09:53:52 am »

Wait wait wait were there posts by axxle that got deleted? I didn't get a chance to read them. Yeah he posted on the wrong account but why should they be deleted because of that?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 08, 2013, 09:22:02 pm »

Wero, you've got one more game than I do! If you don't have your own reads to go off of, then go back and look at the arguments and reads others have made, whether or not you agree with them, and why or why not.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 08, 2013, 08:27:22 pm »

I know it's only L-3, but my vote wasn't serious, and we shouldn't be lynching anyone just yet. Unvote

This a pretty scummy post. Unvoting a non-serious vote and not adding to the conversation sets of a lot of alarms.  If liopoil flips scum sudgy's scum too.  I like my Robz vote better at this point though I wouldn't mind a liopoil lynch.

I don't like this line of reasoning at all...

Why not? I mean, I'm not certain of that statement, but I can certainly see where the hypothesis comes from.

Personally, I think it's more productive to look at individuals right now than as part of a team.

Getting people to form an association between Sudgy and Liopoil early is dangerous -- if it's said enough, it leads down the road to town misreading a lynch result and immediately going after the wrong person. When there's more interactions, this line of reasoning is absolutely valid, but I think that saying "If it's Liopoil then DEFINITELY Sudgy" is more likely to mislead the town than to actually help it.

Personally, I can't see both of Sudgy and Liopoil being scum. Very possibly one of them, but I just can't see them both being scum. (And yes, I know I'm forming the same association that I just said I don't think is a good idea...but meh). I think it's more likely that Liopoil flips scum than Sudgy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 08, 2013, 07:02:59 pm »

I think naming scumteams when no scum have died yet is a fruitless endeavor.

Then what about the individual members of the team?

And what about Axxle for naming scum teams at this point, when he probably knows it's a futile exercise?

The fact that you are so reluctant to run with anything makes me suspicious.

Vote: Liopoil

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 08, 2013, 07:01:27 pm »

I have decided
A soft deadline is coming!
Let's lynch us some scum.

Soft Deadline : Next Monday, 11 PM forum time

By the deadline, I would also like each person to rank the other town members from towniest to scummiest.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 08, 2013, 06:46:23 pm »

Everyone, please comment on whether or not you would like a soft deadline set for next week and why.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 08, 2013, 06:45:54 pm »

I know it's only L-3, but my vote wasn't serious, and we shouldn't be lynching anyone just yet. Unvote

This a pretty scummy post. Unvoting a non-serious vote and not adding to the conversation sets of a lot of alarms.  If liopoil flips scum sudgy's scum too.  I like my Robz vote better at this point though I wouldn't mind a liopoil lynch.

I don't like this line of reasoning at all...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 08, 2013, 06:42:42 pm »

Reading liopoil's posts so far, he's posted quite a bit, but nothing really with any content. Some RVS posts, jokes and the such, and two posts on theory, but everything else has come across to me as meaningless, but as if he wants to be posting SOMETHING. He also called out the lurkers, something that's relatively safe to do and won't really get a wagon started on you. These two in particular stuck out to me:

Pretty sure that we're still in the stage where votes don't really mean anything....

This was right after Yuma had voted Sudgy. Mail-mi had just stated that he felt RVS was over, and this was the first real vote the game had except for those on lurkers. It seems off that a townie would immediately come in and say this; even if the vote was meaningless, wouldn't you want to see the reactions to the vote at the very least?

Yeah, I'm going to be pretty much gone UNTIL the weekend (for this week). But soft deadlines are good, so maybe next monday?

A bit of a town read on Yuma and sudgy. However, my top townreads are twistedarcher and liopoil. twistedarcher based on the first post of the day by ash, liopoil because of this one PM I got a little while ago from ash. Ashersky has been giving me the answers!

Town reads, but he doesn't say why. Once again, I think this was meant as a "safe" post without much content to it. He gives a townread on two of the only people with any real interaction in the game. I think he's trying a little too hard to not get involved while at the same time remaning active.

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Forum Games / Re: Two Rooms and a Boom Sign Up Thread

« on: April 08, 2013, 03:25:50 pm »

How does deadline of 5 pm wednesday sound? That's two days.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 08, 2013, 10:14:12 am »

Unvote

If a couple more people consent to a soft deadline, I'll set one for early next week.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 07, 2013, 11:38:13 pm »

Welcome to the game, Box! Unvote.

Meanwhile, I think this Yuma-sudgy argument is pointless.

Well, then care to move us in a less pointless direction? Do you have any scum reads at all so far?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 07, 2013, 10:51:56 pm »

If at some point I go back and do a re-read, I certainly won't count the vote as anything of value. I understand what you're saying, but it just seems a little off to me that you decided to give him a vote for that. From what I've seen, voting people for lurking early on happens in most games, and doesn't usually generate a vote. I don't see anything off in the vote, but I'll try to see it from your side too and keep an eye on it.

Your vote also seems slightly scummier to me because it puts Sudgy at L-3, and it's an easy way for you to put yourself down on the bandwagon without drawing too much attention to yourself.

Voting people for lurking in games generally happens around 3-4 days into it. And then, I still think it is often unnecessary but doesn't really mean anything--and maybe here it doesn't mean anything either--but up to this point it is the scummiest thing I have seen in this game thus far. And when I see something scummy I call it out. And when I am town, I generally call out scummy behavior with a vote. Why? Because it focuses people's attention to it. It starts a conversation, it creates a reaction that I can then gauge. People disagree with me about this, but I believe that voting allows for a player to make a more firm stance and point out scummy behavior than just calling it out. Votes are noticed, posts and FOS often aren't.

I think we're doing the same thing here, just on different scum reads -- and very slight scum reads at that. I'm still interested in hearing Sudgy's response to your vote as well.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXIV: Samurai and Ninjas (Day 1. PM for Speccy.)

« on: April 07, 2013, 10:41:04 pm »

If at some point I go back and do a re-read, I certainly won't count the vote as anything of value. I understand what you're saying, but it just seems a little off to me that you decided to give him a vote for that. From what I've seen, voting people for lurking early on happens in most games, and doesn't usually generate a vote. I don't see anything off in the vote, but I'll try to see it from your side too and keep an eye on it.

Your vote also seems slightly scummier to me because it puts Sudgy at L-3, and it's an easy way for you to put yourself down on the bandwagon without drawing too much attention to yourself.

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Forum Games / Re: Two Rooms and a Boom Sign Up Thread

« on: April 07, 2013, 10:18:45 pm »

Room 1 Ready. We are sending Theorel and Grujah.