or farmlands trashin borde vilages for provinces
Fairgrounds?
Ok, so if you say that you didn't play it often, I guess you mean a Reaction card. Then it heavily depends on your opponents and the other cards on the board. With trashing of your opponents I guess that Market Square would be pretty good.
*Hint Hint*OppressorOppressor 2
Action - $5
+$2
Each player may discard any number of cards. +1 buy for each card you discard this way.
Each other player looks through his discard pile and may reveal 2 cards costing $2 or less, placing them anywhere in his deck. If he doesn't, he gains a Curse.
Action - Attack - $5
Choose one: +3 cards, or draw the bottom 3 cards of your deck.
Each player with 5 or more cards in their hand discards a card.
Each other player looks through his discard pile and may reveal a card costing $2 or less, placing it on the bottom of his deck. If he doesn't, he gains a Curse.
Would it be worth extending this concept to other base cards?
Copper: Moneylender, Coppersmith, Cutpurse, Apothecary, Counting House, Mountebank, Grand Market, Noble Brigand, Cache, Ill Gotten Gains, Beggar, Count
Gold: Treasure Map, Explorer, Transmute, Hoard, Bag of Gold, Fool's Gold, Tunnel, Noble Brigand, Market Square, Sir Vander, Governor
Estate: Baron, Followers, Hunting Grounds
Duchy: Duke, Transmute, Tournament, Duchess, Count, Hunting Grounds
Province: Explorer, Tournament, Fool's Gold
Curse: Cursers, Fortune Teller, Vagrant
Potion: Apothecary, Alchemist
Isn't Ruminate strictly better than Feast except for with TR/KC (but with KC, you can gain a Province by trashing the KC)?
Also with Highway/Bridge/Princess/BM+Quarry
Also when you want to gain a card that isn't a $5 (as you sometimes do; such as when you want only one copy of a $5 card and your feast doesn't come up soon enough)
It's probably another Noble Brigand/Thief situation.
Shuffling would take too long, although so would the AP of placing a card anywhere in the deck. I just wanted to avoid easily wrecking an entire turn with multiple plays, so I can't do top or bottom decking. Shuffling would be ideal if I didn't have to consider the real life implication.
I was saying what Donald is saying in his reply to you, which I think you misunderstood (even though you said you understood it). Without the special ruling (that TR locks in the card), you would indeed get nothing the second time. The reason is not that you can't play the BoM the second time, when it's in trash. You can, and you even get to choose a card. But it doesn't do you any good, because the last clause on BoM means it will never be that card, since it's not in play. This means you can't play it as that card. If a card isn't a Smithy, you can't play it as a Smithy. That's the conclusion. In your last post you get a little deeper into the intricacies of "playing a card" and what a a card "is". I suggest you read the whole other thread, because pretty much everything is dealt with there.
I'll be honest: even though I accept the ruling that TR locks on whatever BoM said first, it makes more sense to me that TR locks in on BoM and plays "whatever this card is" twice. The ONLY time this matters is on one-shot cards like Feast and Embargo, but when those are trashed they're no longer in play, so BoM is no longer locked in. However, BoM is in the trash now, so it can't lock onto anything because it's no longer "while in play" and therefore can't be anything.First of all, +1 for the witch.
And therefore?
A witch!...
I mean, therefore we let TR play that same action again, because it's better than letting BoM sit in the trash with no use at all.
(this means BoM as Fortress becomes a BoM again after being trashed and returned to your hand)
Gain from an opponent hand is strange, what happens if you Trader the gain, the opponent mantains their card? It is trashed (nothing indicates it should)? It goes to the supply?A very good point. The card should be trashed inbetween and gained from there, as Thief does. OR it should just be put in your hand, without "gaining", similar to what Masquerade does.
You make it seem as there was a rule saying a card cannot be played when it is in the trash or, in general, not in play.That's not it. It's that Band of Misfits immediately stops being the card you played it as in that situation, because of the text on Band of Misfits itself.
Yes, we did.
The conclusion was that the second time you play BoM-as-Feast you would get nothing, because the BoM is not in play at all that time [...]
The thread from way back when at http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=4083.0 eventually became a six-page-long discussion of this very question. I don't think anyone came out of that with more understanding than they started with.Yes, we did.
The conclusion was that the second time you play BoM-as-Feast you would get nothing, because the BoM is not in play at all that time (as per the card text "this is that card until it leaves play"). This was so counter-intuitive that no-one in the discussion thought about from the beginning. So as Donald said, he made a special ruling.
Second one leaves you no choice, but that's all.Yeah, I agree. But note that this can put you in the odd situation of having to reveal a card that you may have actually lost track of (because it's been covered up in the discard pile).
How could that happen? You reveal Tunnel when you discard it; presumably, that means you are holding it and putting it in your discard pile, and as you do that you reveal it.Quote from: Tunnel2 VP
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When you discard this other than during a Clean-up phase, you may reveal it. If you do, gain a Gold.Quote from: Tunnel (alternate)2 VP
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When you discard this other than during a Clean-up phase, you may gain a Gold.
How are these different?
Golem is completely new to me but it is a problem. are there many cards that also get confusing when playing this? any suggestions?There are a few that make you reveal from your deck until something is hit, but Golem is clearly the worst - probably because it somehow resembles your card. It reveals cards from your deck until two Action cards other than Golem are revealed. Then you play both of them in the order you choose.
Yes, it would have tracking issues, I'll admit that. I'm not sure they're any worse than several Dark Ages cards, though. If RTT doesn't like the idea, I'll gladly refine it and use it for my own fan expansions.
I just thought of a crazy tweak for this card.
Vassal
Types: Action
Cost: $4
+1 Action. Set aside a card from your hand. Discard your hand, then +3 Cards. You may play a Vassal from your hand. Return the set-aside card to your hand.
So as you chain them, you can accumulate actions and increase your hand size.
Or a deck with it's only Actions being Golem, Saboteur and GoonsI think the proper counter to KC-possession is the resign button.No, its a KC-Possession of your own!
I think as long as i like it with the name silversmith i can keep it that way =)Of course you can. Still, if you were looking for another name close to Smithy, how about Blacksmith (Hufschmied)? It contains a bit of Smithy, gives you money like Horse Trader does and likes Trusty Steeds Silver (Okay, i made that connection up... Sue me.)
cause i am German its called "Silberschmiede" on my actual Card
That's all totally different stuff than my original question, but well...It doesn't say "gain the card from the trash" so it can't lose track of it.
This doesn't follow. Lose-track applies whenever a card tries to move a card that isn't where it's expected to be. ActionThief would expect Fortress to be in the trash, it wouldn't be there, so it wouldn't get gained.
why does ActionThief expect Fortress to be in the trash? All it knows is the card was Trashed.
...Because if you put a card in the trash, that's where you expect it to be?
