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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 10:29:49 pm »
I know. But he has also said that is not his usual way of interacting.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 10:26:39 pm »
1. He thought mcmc's reasoning re: bussing made sense. Either buddying or wanting to misdirect.
2. Overly emotional reaction to being challenged.
3. Derp/quick hammer in combination with preoccupation with who is and isn't on wagons.
4. Claiming credit for "saving" mcmc, when not to do so would have been a huge scumtell.
2. Overly emotional reaction to being challenged.
3. Derp/quick hammer in combination with preoccupation with who is and isn't on wagons.
4. Claiming credit for "saving" mcmc, when not to do so would have been a huge scumtell.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 09:45:19 pm »
Just in case you have doubt. I stopped quoting at a certain point and just read, but here is a good sampling of his contributions up until about 11:30 this am.
Next two quick comments about being too busy.
Reasonable point about people not being “confirmed town”. Works well as scum or town.
Bringing attention back to Robz, doesn’t seem like what a partner would do:
Again starts the day very cheery:
Hey look we've started!
… For example, I think trying to avoid RVS and not giving anything to talk about instead is scummy, so Vote: EFHW.A little preachy, considering that my talking and not voting did get us out of RVS just fine.
The comment wasn't about RVS'ing mcmc, which I haven't done. It was about how mcmc and I always end up on opposite teams (in the 3 games I've been in so far). I guess this is 4. Eevee would be next on my scum suspicions list. No particular read otherwise, except maybe Jimmmmm for starting this whole silly mess. I'm going to vote mcmc, but before I do, what L is he at?You don't understand - this isn't a silly mess at all. You said you don't like RVS, and that was a semi-RVS vote which caused people to make serious cases on you. I'm very pleased with it because it brought us out of RVS nicely. And you should be too.
Next two quick comments about being too busy.
Hate to come in and leave straight away but I'm going to have to. I haven't fully caught up yet but I will when I get the chance.
Hey guys, sorry for my absence, I've been a lot busier today than I thought I'd be. I'm on night shift tonight and while I can't contribute that much at the moment since I have actual work to do, I will be able to post a lot in a couple of hours when there's nothing to do here.
Reasonable point about people not being “confirmed town”. Works well as scum or town.
Okay, I'm here. Still at work, but it's 4am so there's not a lot happening. I knew deadline was coming up and I really wanted to have some sort of contribution, but that was during the busy part of the night and I just couldn't give this game priority over work that I had to do.Don’t know if this reads pro-town or pro-scum.
I'm always very uneasy about calling anyone "confirmed" Town when they haven't been. I believe mcmc is Town, and will continue to believe so unless we get two other Fool claims. But mcmc's claim came 3 minutes before the thread was locked. If scum was around at that point in time they had to make a snap decision. And I'm sure they would have wanted to kill mcmc. But only 2 possible scum posted after mcmc's claim, and if mcmc was killed overnight they would have received a heck of a lot of scrutiny. I mean yeah, scum might have killed mcmc in that situation. But that's certainly a long way from certain. So maybe they get Town points for that. But I'm certainly not treating them as confirmed Town, and if I think they're scum, that one thing isn't going to sway me from lynching them.
I agree that shooting is way better if both Fools do it.
Bringing attention back to Robz, doesn’t seem like what a partner would do:
shraeye, what are your current thoughts on Robz? You were all over him for quite a while, and then you seemed to forget about him, saying you were worried about an Eevee/spirit scumteam, and today while you've engage with him you haven't mentioned him other than in relation to being a vet and you suspecting vets.
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4/24 3:45 pm Re Robz: I guess just the mix of his seeming certain about people being scum and being what seems to be unnecessarily aggressive. I'm not sure aggressive is the right word though, just loud maybe? He was arguing that someone is using being V/LA to cover for being scum, and while that's possible there's no real evidence that it's true in this case. So jumping down people's throats for disagreeing with him on that seems strange.
I actually think changing the kill to mcmc is something a newbie scum is much more likely to be rash enough to do than a vet.
I don't think so. 1-1 trades are generally fairly bad for scum. I think scum would much rather a Townie was shot.
How does PoE lead you to mail-mi/me? I don't mean to say a Newbie would necessarily change to killing mcmc of course, it's just a blunder they would be more likely to make than a vet, I think.
Well that's certainly verifiable. Why Neighbouriser? Are you going to say any more about whether you've used it or who you plan to use it on?
I agree that I haven't done much this game. I'm reminded why I almost swore off blitz games last time; they just never seem to suit me timewise.
Anyway. When I was asking shraeye before about what he thought of Robz I was considering the possibility of a shraeye/Robz team. shraeye continually going at Robz, and just sort of suggesting him in a bunch of different posts reminded me of yuma's bussing of Glooble in DS9. Off the top of my head, yuma didn't make a particularly solid case on Glooble, he just seemed to say, "What about Glooble? Why don't we lynch Glooble? Why has everyone forgotten about Glooble?" And of course they were scumbuddies. Could this be a similar situation? I don't know. What do others think, particularly mcmc and mail-mi? If we lynch Robz or shraeye, what if anything would their flip tell you about the other?
I'm not sure on EFHW yet, but I would be surprised if there wasn't scum in Robz/shraeye. Their more recent interactions have me talking myself around to exactly one scum, but I'm not sure.
Wait what? Derphammer or quickhammer?
If Robz is Town then spiritbears had better be scum.4 quick chatty posts
Again starts the day very cheery:
Oh excellent! We're looking good. We have 4 possible candidates in Jimmmmm, shraeye, EFHW and spiritbears, and two chances to hit the one scum. I think mail-mi needs to take some degree of charge.
A full analysis will have to wait until morning. As it stands, I'm looking at you and shraeye. I find it pretty unlikely that spirit would quickhammer his partner like that. I mean, it's possible but I can't really see it coming from a newbie. I'm wary of shraeye. Like I said before, his interactions with Robz read similar to yuma's with Glooble in DS9 when they were scumbuddies and yuma was on Glooble's case for ages. My opinion on EFHW is not fully formed at this stage, I'll need to do a re-read tomorrow.
Oh wow. Maybe I was wrong about spirit. He jumps on to the wagon prematurely before others who were still discussing it, and then the first thing he says the next day is "Who was on the wagon?"
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re: Spirit wouldn't quickhammer, 4/25, 11:25 am: I'm retracting that statement based on spirit's first post today.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 09:43:06 pm »
I've actually spent this time doing a total reread of Jimmmm, (which I can post, if you want to see it). I didn't find anything that struck me as scummy. So that leaves me with Spirit and Shraeye. There's a case to be made against Spirit, as we all know. I don't have much to point to re: Shraeye, except that the case he is currently making on me is quite thin. Town wanting to believe a thin case or scum trying to press one?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 03:25:10 pm »It felt to me like thisI think the bolded part of the above quote is not consistent with me being Robz' partner.Regarding Robz's argument about "free pass" and "good town play", I am of two minds. I think he is right to question mail-mi's absence, and when it extended into Day 2 I was also getting suspicious. But regarding town play, he hasn't done anything positive for town besides these arguments and insulting people. There is more to talk about besides mail-mi's vla. Why isn't Jimmmmm getting the same amount of heat? Also weird, I defended mail-mi several times, never got a peep of disagreement from Robz even though he says he thinks I'm scummy. Is he paying attn to the game?was a very smooth things over response. But still, in my mind I weigh that against the townread i got on you at the start of day1 where you seemed genuinely worried that RVS votes would help scum out by setting up lots of easy fake-cases.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 02:11:58 pm »I think spiritbears is town. please don't self-hammer spiritbears. I vow to find the right lynch today.
What changed your mind? I hope it's not because you think I'm scummy.
I'll Unvote to take off the pressure, and would love to hear more arguments about either Jimmmmm or Spirit.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 02:00:49 pm »THREAD LOCKED
We get to talk all day tomorow about who I shoot right now we need to keep me alive so i can do itI already kept you alive wen I unvoted
Does it bother anyone else that Spiritbears posted after the thread was locked?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 01:47:11 pm »
Right now, we have Jimmmmm and Spirit voting for each other.
I vote: Spiritbears, putting him at L-1.
I vote: Spiritbears, putting him at L-1.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 01:43:41 pm »
I am really torn between Jimmmmm and Spiritbears. I believe the fight between Shraeye and Robz was genuine. I think it was towny of Jimmmmm to analyze it. I think Spirit doesn't get that much credit for day one - he got Eevee lynched instead of mcmc. With mcmc claiming fool, that's the best scum could hope for anyway. I'm going to check the vote count and get back with my vote in a minute.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 12:49:47 pm »
Spirit's emotional reaction also seems scummy. We know he speaks his mind in general, so it's not damning, but definitely something I'm noticing.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 12:47:22 pm »
I think if Robz and spirit had set up the hammer, spirit would have been townier and more deliberate and obvious about it, responsibly announcing intent, asking for last words, etc. Derphammering defeats the towncred goal.
BUT he seems very attentive to people wanting to get on and off the wagon, and may have jumped on in fear of being left off it and got FOS for that.
BUT he seems very attentive to people wanting to get on and off the wagon, and may have jumped on in fear of being left off it and got FOS for that.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 11:21:16 am »
Day 2:
shraeye (1) - Robz
Robz888 (4) - Shraeye, Mail-Mi, EFHW, spiritbears
Not Voting (2) - Jimmmmm, Mcmcsalot
Day 1:
EFHW (1) - Jimmmm, Eevee
Eevee (3) - Robz888, shraeye, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (2) - yuma, EFHW
Shraeye (1) - spiritbears
Not Voting (1) - mail-mi
shraeye (1) - Robz
Robz888 (4) - Shraeye, Mail-Mi, EFHW, spiritbears
Not Voting (2) - Jimmmmm, Mcmcsalot
Day 1:
EFHW (1) - Jimmmm, Eevee
Eevee (3) - Robz888, shraeye, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (2) - yuma, EFHW
Shraeye (1) - spiritbears
Not Voting (1) - mail-mi
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 11:15:14 am »
in the flavor.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 3 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 11:13:31 am »
mcmc -- What's with the potato?? We'll never know!
Jimmmmm, how about you give us some detailed reads.
Jimmmmm, how about you give us some detailed reads.
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Forum Games / Re: MXXIII: Second Chance Mafia (Gathering interest/Signups)
« on: April 25, 2013, 10:35:12 am »yes, that's why we are avoiding playing games together since MXXI. I'd rather not go into any more detail, this being the Internet. You know how it is...........I'm from southeast, went to high school at de la sale, I lived in st. Clair shores north of grosse point. I can't remember do you know liopoil and kooshie irl?Me, Liopoil and Kooshie. Southeast.You too, where from?!?Heavy Michigan presence here!I'd be interested in playing, pending the announcement of the actual format. (I can't sign up for the original game)
Razz! I was checking the forum players map and noticed you live right by my home town and where I went to high school. Based on the hugely academic base of this forum that means(depending on your age) we probably went to school together or with people who knew each other, or you went to school with people my brother would know, or you taught people I would know.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 10:30:46 am »I'm beginning to see EFHW more in relation to Robz, which has raised her scumminess a bit in my mind. But I'm still more sold on jimmmm being Robz's partner.
Actually, this is scummy-ish. What does "in relation to Robz" mean?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 10:27:00 am »I would understand you tunneling me if you were scum. What's this about? I did get you mislynched once, because I was scum, but all the other times I voted and argued against you, you were actually scum! You're wasting energy on town:town here. We need to look at Jimmmmm and Spirit, in my mind. Shraeye might be one hell of a player and be scum, but I don't have any sense of it myself. If Robz is town, then like Eevee he really let us down in how's he's played.Oh also pretty sure spirit just hammered robz, 4 votes is a lynch right?You see there are 4 votes and don't notice I am one of them? You said I criticized him without voting, but I had already voted for him.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 10:21:50 am »Oh also pretty sure spirit just hammered robz, 4 votes is a lynch right?You see there are 4 votes and don't notice I am one of them? You said I criticized him without voting, but I had already voted for him.
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Forum Games / Re: MXXIII: Second Chance Mafia (Gathering interest/Signups)
« on: April 25, 2013, 06:27:55 am »Me, Liopoil and Kooshie. Southeast.You too, where from?!?Heavy Michigan presence here!I'd be interested in playing, pending the announcement of the actual format. (I can't sign up for the original game)
Razz! I was checking the forum players map and noticed you live right by my home town and where I went to high school. Based on the hugely academic base of this forum that means(depending on your age) we probably went to school together or with people who knew each other, or you went to school with people my brother would know, or you taught people I would know.
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Forum Games / Re: Harry Potter Mafia
« on: April 25, 2013, 06:26:27 am »Sadly, Dumbledore has died.She's the head of Gryffindor. They'd be "Professor Dumbledore"I think neighborizing is out completely now. Random rolls into each house.
Right, AND the survivor is not in the QT under his/her real name. Kind of like mcmc pretending to be Eevee. They'd be "Professor MacGonagall". Not sure if I spelled that right.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 06:10:35 am »
Regarding Robz's argument about "free pass" and "good town play", I am of two minds. I think he is right to question mail-mi's absence, and when it extended into Day 2 I was also getting suspicious. But regarding town play, he hasn't done anything positive for town besides these arguments and insulting people. There is more to talk about besides mail-mi's vla. Why isn't Jimmmmm getting the same amount of heat? Also weird, I defended mail-mi several times, never got a peep of disagreement from Robz even though he says he thinks I'm scummy. Is he paying attn to the game?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 06:05:44 am »
Regarding vla, this is the internet. We can't confirm or refute what people do. You are free to believe or disbelieve, but I really don't think it can ever be obvious that someone is lying, unless you see them actually post somewhere else on the forum.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« on: April 25, 2013, 05:54:02 am »
Vote: Robz
What's happening with mcmc's vig? I wouldn't use it on Robz, and I was wrong on mcmc and Eevee, so I hesitate to recommend. But if I had to pick, I'd say .... Ugh. Spiritbears.
Jimmmmm has also been very quiet, though. Just asked me why I mentioned him as a possibility, hasn't said much else. He hasn't done anything scummy, just not done much in general.
What's happening with mcmc's vig? I wouldn't use it on Robz, and I was wrong on mcmc and Eevee, so I hesitate to recommend. But if I had to pick, I'd say .... Ugh. Spiritbears.
Jimmmmm has also been very quiet, though. Just asked me why I mentioned him as a possibility, hasn't said much else. He hasn't done anything scummy, just not done much in general.