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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Game
« on: March 12, 2016, 06:19:42 am »
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 1)
« on: March 12, 2016, 12:36:30 am »where is everybody. have to vote for haddock now. totes scum
I'm already voting for him.
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Doom_Shark's Unnamed Set
« on: March 12, 2016, 12:22:48 am »
I have to do things that some people hate (in order to have anything anyone loves), but I only do hated things when they are in fact otherwise loved. The hate for strictly better cards is a basic thing I should just avoid, "being strictly better" has no upside. If I am at the point where I can't make cards without doing strictly better cards, again, why haven't I switched to spin-offs already.
In this quote, Donald X. was talking specifically about cards
where an old card is simply considered obsolete because of a new cardas you put it. Secluded Township being strictly better than Village doesn't make Village obsolete.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 11:22:04 pm »This is quite simple. Lynching one of us guarantees victory if we are scum. It does this both if you do it today and if you do it tomorrow. If you don't do it today then there is a chance that the problem solves itself. Thus, it is strictly better that, if you want to do it, to do it tomorrow.
The fact that you're refusing this further makes me think you're town. The Awaclus I know understands simple logic. Everyone else, I don't think anyone has a problem with the above? It's foolproof. If you want to lynch one of us, do it tomorrow.
No, it is not that simple. I listed all of the possible situations that we might end up in depending on your alignment and the choices that town makes, including the probabilities of various things happening. That's what you have to do. You have to consider all of them. You don't just get to cherry pick the ones that you like to make your argument seem like it holds water. Sure, that way, it seems simpler, but just because something is simple doesn't mean it's right, and the suggestion that town!me would fall for bs like that is not very flattering.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 10:41:08 pm »... Scum
... ... and you lynch one of us us today -> town wins 100%
... ... and you lynch one of us tomorrow -> town wins 100%
... Town
... ... and you lynch one of us today -> 5p LyLo with 1 IC
... ... and you don't lynch one of us today -> depends on the lynch, but better than the above
That's not how it works.
... Scum
... ... and we lynch one of you today -> town wins 100%
... ... and we lynch town today (100% chance if we choose to not lynch you) -> 5p LyLo with 0 ICs
... Town
... ... and we lynch one of you today -> 5p LyLo with 1 IC
... ... and we lynch town today (50% chance if we choose to not lynch you) -> 5p LyLo with 0 ICs
... ... and we lynch scum today (50% chance if we choose to not lynch you) -> 1 vs 4 with 2 ICs
Lynching you is better than lynching non-Mason town regardless of your alignment, and if we don't lynch you, we are statistically more likely to lynch town.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 10:23:17 pm »Okay, look. Your perception is completely subjective. I don't think I've been scummy, but if you think it, sure. However, there is no logical reason to lynch either of chairs or me today rather than tomorrow. So, please unvote, or better yet, vote for Awaclus instead.
Why not? If we lynch one of you today, either we lynch scum and have another confirmed scum who we can lynch tomorrow, or we create an IC out of the other one. It's pretty good, considering that the former scenario is extremely likely.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 09:59:02 pm »As for the mafia Golden Rule, I didn't violate that. I think Awaclus is being stubborn because he's scum. That's not personal.
I think you're being stubborn because you're scum.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 09:21:27 pm »
Actually vote: silverspawn feels a lot more comfortable than yuma here.
PPE:
Well, now that it's not so relevant anymore, the reason was that your play on this day in particular seemed like you were making a case on me based on not how I've played in this game, but how I play in every game regardless of my alignment. This seemed to me like it had to be intentional, which would be extremely scummy.
PPE:
It's worth noting that yuma was scummy before this discussion. It was just another point that fit the narrative of him being scum, not the whole reason I'm voting for him.
how? details? information?
Well, now that it's not so relevant anymore, the reason was that your play on this day in particular seemed like you were making a case on me based on not how I've played in this game, but how I play in every game regardless of my alignment. This seemed to me like it had to be intentional, which would be extremely scummy.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 09:12:23 pm »
It's worth noting that yuma was scummy before this discussion. It was just another point that fit the narrative of him being scum, not the whole reason I'm voting for him.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 09:09:05 pm »if my opponent who is ranked 300 points lower than me plays a drone opening that is mathematically worse, do I have to assume that my entire understanding of maths and/or the game is false? You just said there is never any reason to assume that your opponent made a mistake.
Prismata is an edge case because it doesn't have hidden information.
Yeah... or... you could be better than your opponent and understand exactly why he does the mistake he does... which happens a quadrillion times to people playing dominion... or prismata... or a lot of other games...
It doesn't happen in Dominion. If your opponent is making a mistake, you can play as though it was the correct play and you still win — because your opponent made a mistake. But if it actually is the correct play in that situation, you might win if you assume that it's the correct play or you might lose if you wrongly assume that it was a bad play. Even if you can be mathematically sure that your opponent's play is less than optimal, you should assume that it's as close to optimal as it can possibly be under those circumstances.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 08:57:47 pm »no way, no how was self voting there a good move. It doesn't make me scum. It was a bad move. It isn't an assumption, it was a fact, or at the least I can guarantee that a significant majority of the fellow players (most of whom are town) and observers (who are neutral) feel the exact same way I do.
Then you should stop feeling that way. There is never any reason to expect anything less than optimal play from other players (applies to every game, not just Mafia). If a play looks like it's a bad play, you have to assume that it only looks like a bad play to you because that person knows something that you don't.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 08:48:10 pm »Um... No. Self voting was bad.
Well, that confirms you as scum then, because town can't make that assumption.
can we just lynch this fool already?
If by "this fool" you mean yourself, sure.
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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part III
« on: March 11, 2016, 08:10:59 pm »I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.
I'll accept the bet!
Given that Rowling tweeted this:
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Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione 😘
It doesn't really sound like she even remembers that detail herself.
EDIT: Oh, you actually just posted this yourself. Didn't see it in the PPE while I was digging for the quote for some reason.
I think the harry potter series is a masterpiece
O-oh. Okay then.
On another note, how can people have not seen any plays? I'm not even super into plays myself, but I've still seen dozens of them.
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Doom_Shark's Unnamed Set
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:28:27 pm »Aaah, I get your point now.
When V and SV are both in the kingdom, wether or not you are taking SV from the kingdom pile (and not gaining curse) or village is *identical*; hence it shouldn't cost more. Is this correct?
Yes.
Address this:2) In games where both of the cards are present, for $3, players can choose to gain a card which just says +1 card, +2 actions, or a card which says +1 card, +2 actions and makes you gain a curse and topdeck itself on-buy. This remains true regardless of if Secluded Township can also act as a regular Village or not.
What you said is true, but it creates what is essentially a 9-card kingdom any time those 2 cards are out together. Unlike Fortress-and-no-trashing, there are no additional conditions required.
It's still not any different from the Curse-gaining being mandatory in that regard, either. Except that compared to that, making it optional essentially creates an 11-card kingdom whenever Village is not there.
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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part III
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:22:23 pm »
Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Doom_Shark's Unnamed Set
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:19:16 pm »Is there a typo in that paragrahp?
The first post on this page, second paragraph, was my intention on responding to the challenge.
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If there are two cards: one that can do everything the other one does and more, it would be weird to not always by the stronger one (but in this case: the effect is weak enough that there are moments that it won't matter). But there are situations that it will matter. And then it's weird that they cost the same: there is literally never a choice involved in that case. (Unless maybe for 'I want to save the card for later' but that's also true if they have different prices.)
There is literally always a choice involved when you're buying Secluded Township. That choice is the choice between buying Secluded Township gaining a Curse and buying Secluded Township not gaining a Curse, the latter of which is exactly identical to buying Village. Therefore, you're choosing between buying Secluded Township gaining a Curse and buying Village. It's exactly the same situation as it would be if the Curse-gaining was mandatory.
This is fine because none of them are strictly better than the other (one of them is not a very good card though, which is another issue). Satisfied or are you going to keep on trolling?
Secluded Township whose Curse-gaining is optional is strictly better than Village.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:14:04 pm »Um... No. Self voting was bad.
Well, that confirms you as scum then, because town can't make that assumption.
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Doom_Shark's Unnamed Set
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:03:55 pm »What's there to address besides what's already been said in direct response to it?
Nobody has said anything in direct response to it. You have not explained how choosing between Village and Secluded Township gaining a Curse is somehow problematic while choosing between Village and Secluded Township gaining a Curse is completely fine.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:01:05 pm »We can't assume people play optimally.
No, that is precisely what we must do.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 06:58:20 pm »I think it is a false premise to assume that because adk self voted there must be wagon on scum. But unless the scum team is you rr there was scum on the wagon. But not because he self voted. That would imply self voting was a good move. It wasn't. Self voting was really bad when he could have claimed it just wiggled out of it.
And I don't buss. At least I don't anymore. Ask axxle about the time it went horrible when I was partners with him... Adventure time. I think it was the first run through of this setup. Bussing sucks, especially day1
ADK did self-vote, therefore we must assume that it was a good move.
I don't think that bussing sucks.
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Doom_Shark's Unnamed Set
« on: March 11, 2016, 06:53:00 pm »
Come on, this is starting to get old.
Address this:2) In games where both of the cards are present, for $3, players can choose to gain a card which just says +1 card, +2 actions, or a card which says +1 card, +2 actions and makes you gain a curse and topdeck itself on-buy. This remains true regardless of if Secluded Township can also act as a regular Village or not.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 06:43:34 pm »Wow guys! Look! More bad scum play. Must be town.
Uh, no, that is good town play. I don't want to tell the scum team how I'm going to vote at LyLo, regardless of who they are.
Stating whether or not you believe them now doesn't indicate how you will vote at lylo...
Well, if we get new information from today's lynch that changes if or not I believe them, then it doesn't. But otherwise, it does. Either way, I don't see it being beneficial in any way to do it.
on what grounds? Being on the ADK wagon? Pushing forward a lynch that you just stated was a good wagon to push forward?
I don't think that being on the ADK wagon is great because he self-voted, so there must be a reason why he didn't want any of the remaining players to be the one who hammers him. Gkrieg was a good wagon to push forward though, but that only means you don't particularly get any scum points for doing it, not that you do get town points.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 06:12:45 pm »
I'm actually going to vote: yuma here.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 06:11:55 pm »Wow guys! Look! More bad scum play. Must be town.
Uh, no, that is good town play. I don't want to tell the scum team how I'm going to vote at LyLo, regardless of who they are.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 11, 2016, 06:08:11 pm »Do you believe Silverspawn?
I don't think I want to answer that.