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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« on: March 19, 2016, 09:30:44 am »
I still need a explanation for why I am scum.

No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.
Also onus probandi

That's not how it works in Mafia. I don't need to convince you that you're scum; I can vote for you anyway because voting for you for any reason or no reason at all is allowed in the rules. You, however, need to convince me that you're town, because the rules don't provide you with any other way to prevent me from voting for you (in the vast majority of cases, anyway).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« on: March 19, 2016, 09:19:35 am »
Intent to hammer

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« on: March 19, 2016, 09:08:57 am »
I still need a explanation for why I am scum.

No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.

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General Discussion / Re: Favorite food?
« on: March 19, 2016, 02:36:17 am »
Rice and pyhäinpäivänpata (a stew with typical Karelian stew meat, cremini, juniper berries and dried plums; usually eaten on the Finnish All Saints' Day, although the food might not be a very widespread tradition even in Finland given that I couldn't find a recipe for it online).

I also generally like anything spicy, but while I can easily handle anything white people spicy, I have unfortunately not had many chances to try foods that are considered particularly spicy in cultures where food tends to be spicier in general.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« on: March 19, 2016, 02:22:31 am »
Why exactly do i have a wagon?

Why exactly should you not have a wagon?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Win, Lose, Banana
« on: March 19, 2016, 02:11:48 am »
Any counterclaims?
Me!

I'm the real banana. I can give you my flavorname, but Iguaniguana can't.

Don't let him guilt you!

What's your flavor name?
Banana

But Iguanaiguana also gave me banana. So either banana is not your flavor name or he could totally give me your flavor name. Therefore, you must be lying.

Banana: iguanaiguana

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Win, Lose, Banana
« on: March 18, 2016, 02:08:58 pm »
Any counterclaims?
Me!

I'm the real banana. I can give you my flavorname, but Iguaniguana can't.

Don't let him guilt you!

What's your flavor name?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Win, Lose, Banana
« on: March 18, 2016, 01:08:31 pm »
Any counterclaims?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Win, Lose, Banana
« on: March 18, 2016, 01:06:43 pm »
So, which one of you is the banana?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Win, Lose, Banana
« on: March 18, 2016, 12:59:02 pm »
/in

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Game Over! Town wins!
« on: March 18, 2016, 09:09:50 am »
Player 1: 85.256%
Player 2: 82.14356%
Player 3: 73.1234%
Player 4: 66.232093%
Player 5: 65.4342111%
Player 6: 62.2313%
Player 7: 55.25162%
Player 8: 34.65235462%
Player 9: 31.2524673%
Player 10: 22.46562342%
Player 11: 9.243536%
Player 12: 1.3573%

Where the percentages are the chance they are lying.  Just do that at the start of each game, lynch from the top of the list, probably hit all scum before running out of mislynches, right?

That's what I understand to be their point: If the math is correct, reads and feelings do not matter.

Well, if those were the percentages, then you could pretty much just do that. The problem is that you won't get percentages like that. Instead, the vast majority of the time, you will get percentages that are close enough to the 1/4 that every player already has anyway that it would only be a very marginal factor in determining who is the best lynch.

Reads and feelings do matter. If someone has, say, a 40% chance of lying but a very consistent town narrative while someone else has a 10% chance of lying but has done something that questionably shows that he doesn't have the information that he's claiming to have or has information that he has claimed not to have or that he's playing against the win con he has claimed to have, it might be correct to lynch the latter player if the former player's town narrative makes him ~1/2 times as likely to be lying as he otherwise would and the latter player's scumminess makes him ~3 times as likely to be lying.

However, if someone has a 40% chance of lying while someone else has a 3% chance of lying, you would have to read the latter person as being 13 times as likely to be scum as the former person to just make up for the mathematical odds. That's, like, the kind of read you can only have when a claimed Mason has voted for the other claimed Mason, or other similar practically-confirmed-scum situation. And sure, I would lynch the claimed Masons in that case, but I wouldn't lynch them only because one of them has been slightly scummier than the 40% chance of lying person.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Game Over! Town wins!
« on: March 18, 2016, 03:32:55 am »
If I'm town in the same scenario, does it make me more likely scum because it only happens 3% of the time?  Nope.  When I'm town, I'm town.  And yet, regardless of reads and play, ss's argument would be to lynch me as a fake claimant.

The point is that the expected number of correct lynches when you lynch you in that situation is 0.97. That's like 2-4 times the expected number of correct lynches when lynching someone else in that situation. 3% of the time, it ends up being a bad idea, but simply because it is a good idea 97% of the time, it's worth doing every time unless there is an extremely good reason to believe otherwise.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Win, Lose, Banana
« on: March 18, 2016, 03:26:24 am »
So basically this is just 1v2 LyLo with 1 IC?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Game
« on: March 17, 2016, 11:10:52 pm »
I think I win? The Limetime's necro was something like 31 hours, I think mine is around 32.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Game Over! Town wins!
« on: March 17, 2016, 06:41:13 pm »
The other important point is that there is no reason to lynch one of the masons before at LyLo. Literally zero- I said this a million times in the game thread, and it's 100% true. So even if town assumes masons are lying, you still have a shot at lynching one player, and if he flips scum, you're fine.

It is 100% false and it doesn't become true no matter how many times you repeat it without addressing my arguments that actually show why it is false.
Can you link those arguments?

Sure.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14803.msg577444#msg577444
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14803.msg577463#msg577463
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14803.msg578052#msg578052
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14803.msg578066#msg578066

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Game Over! Town wins!
« on: March 17, 2016, 06:30:35 pm »
The other important point is that there is no reason to lynch one of the masons before at LyLo. Literally zero- I said this a million times in the game thread, and it's 100% true. So even if town assumes masons are lying, you still have a shot at lynching one player, and if he flips scum, you're fine.

It is 100% false and it doesn't become true no matter how many times you repeat it without addressing my arguments that actually show why it is false.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Game Over! Town wins!
« on: March 17, 2016, 01:33:31 pm »
I will continue to refuse to vote for anyone except for claimed masons who vote for each other as all alignments in any and all future Mafia games that I play. This has been a public service announcement.

Man, that means that the majority of the time, you won't vote for anyone. Since you usually also don't do much other stuff, I imagine it will be hard for you to not get modkilled.

It looks like I need to rephrase that statement.

I will continue to refuse to vote for anyone except for claimed masons who vote for each other, given that any exist, as all alignments in any and all future Mafia games that I play. This has been a public service announcement.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Third, the day is
« on: March 17, 2016, 12:53:57 pm »
I made an entire thread for it because I thought that it was a horrendous insult, he didn't answer there; now he's calling ME out for being offending. It's relevant here.

No, that's not really relevant. Just because he is also guilty of something that he's criticizing others for doesn't mean that the others shouldn't be criticized for it.

That said, offense is taken, not given, so it's super pointless to call other people "offensive".

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Game Over! Town wins!
« on: March 17, 2016, 12:42:45 pm »
I will continue to refuse to vote for anyone except for claimed masons who vote for each other as all alignments in any and all future Mafia games that I play. This has been a public service announcement.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Game Over! Town wins!
« on: March 17, 2016, 12:09:26 pm »
This game goes to show that not bussing is extremely bad even when you have a meta of bussing as scum.

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General Discussion / Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
« on: March 17, 2016, 11:15:35 am »
It's difficult not to like, because it's so beautiful in terms of both art and story. It's also weird though... that's why I was interested to hear other opinions about it.

That's pretty much what you can expect of almost every Ghibli movie.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Day IV
« on: March 17, 2016, 09:14:19 am »
hopefully we just win... I really don't want to have to go to battle with ww...

Well, we didn't.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM31: Untitled Mafia (Day 2)
« on: March 17, 2016, 01:32:02 am »
You should ridicule them for voting for you for no reason whatsoever.  Then ask them for their reasons.  Hopefully they give you 3 points or something.  Then you take each point and destroy it by irrefutable logic.

No, that's not what you should do. People don't need a reason to vote for you. Instead, what you should do is present evidence suggesting that you're town to convince the voters to vote for someone else instead.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M77: Scout Mafia - Day IV
« on: March 17, 2016, 01:29:46 am »
so real talk, did you seriously believe that we were fakeclaiming?

Yes. It still doesn't make any sense at all that you are not actually fakeclaiming.

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General Discussion / Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
« on: March 17, 2016, 01:27:19 am »
But at the same time... for a horror movie, it's not that scary, it's honestly mostly depressing and sad.

Well, that is pretty much true (although I think it does have some parts that are also scary to an extent), but I think it's fine for a horror movie to be just depressing and sad. Those are still negative emotions, after all.

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