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Dominion General Discussion / Re: What does everyone think is the best attack for $5?

« on: April 03, 2016, 05:28:58 pm »

Btw, do you guys think Death Cart and Counting House are at all viable counters against Cultist/Mountebank respectively?

Death Cart usually becomes useful on a Cultist board where it would not have been useful without Cultist, but it doesn't counter Cultist (i.e. your opponent is still going to go for it, and unless you go for it as well, you're going to lose). Counting House benefits from Mountebank, but Mountebank probably doesn't make Counting House viable where it wasn't viable before, although when Counting House is a powerful card in the kingdom, Mountebank might very rarely be even worth skipping because of it.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss... Adventures!

« on: April 03, 2016, 02:56:20 pm »

Like, for example, go smash your head against the wall.  It is, very likely, far more enjoyable than talking with Awaclus.

Yay! Another great WW quote about Awaclus to use! I am bookmarking this one for sure!

(With a slight edit)

What do you think it's going to accomplish?

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Chancellor

« on: April 03, 2016, 11:53:16 am »

inb4 Awaclus says Scavenger is just loads better. Which it is.

But that's not an inside joke, or if it is, I'm not inside it.

inb4 means 'in before'. There wasn't much of an inside joke thing to it.

I know what inb4 means. "Warehouse is better than Cellar" is an inside joke, "Scavenger is better than Chancellor" is, AFAIK, not, which is why I posted the former but not the latter.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Chancellor

« on: April 03, 2016, 07:01:32 am »

inb4 Awaclus says Scavenger is just loads better. Which it is.

But that's not an inside joke, or if it is, I'm not inside it.

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Hearthstone / Re: 2015: Best Hearthstone Moments

« on: April 02, 2016, 02:00:23 pm »

Did you win?

Yes.

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Simulation / Challenge: buy Adventurer

« on: April 02, 2016, 12:43:53 pm »

Now I'm curious. Is there any strategy at all where Adventurer is just legit OP with a simulator?

Easy mode: design buy rules A and buy rules B in such a way that they are otherwise identical, but buy rules B have an added buy rule for Adventurer and buy rules B have a statistically significant advantage over buy rules A. The example game log must show that bot B is actually buying Adventurer.

Hard mode: The same, but now, add for bot A the exact same buy rule that bot B has for Adventurer, but replace Adventurer with Wharf, and that buy rule must be the only buy rule for Wharf (i.e. bot B isn't allowed to buy Wharves at all). The example game log must show that both bots are actually buying Wharf and Adventurer, respectively.


EDIT: I don't know if either of these are possible, by the way.

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Hearthstone / Re: 2015: Best Hearthstone Moments

« on: April 02, 2016, 12:25:11 pm »

I was at 4 health with Warlock on Arena (at 6-2). The Pally opponent was at like 23 (don't remember exactly, but it was way too high for lethal this turn and certainly low enough for lethal next turn).

Opponent's board: Wobbling Runts, Leper Gnome, Hero Power token, a secret which I knew was a Sacred Trial.
My board: an 8/8 and a Faerie Dragon.

In my hand, I had a Clockwork Gnome, Ancient Brewmaster, Power Overwhelming and two irrelevant cards. So I figured that I couldn't prevent myself from losing with just those, so I tapped (at that point, I hadn't figured out if there was a way to win at all, but I decided to try it out and see what I could get) and topdecked an Annoy-o-Tron, which I played. And then I realized that there was a way to win if I played Clockwork Gnome into the Sacred Trial and it gave me something that prevented Leper Gnome from dying. It gave me the Freeze spare part.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Cellar

« on: April 02, 2016, 11:52:14 am »

It's worse than Warehouse.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Waiting for Adventures On-line

« on: April 01, 2016, 10:05:14 pm »

I love it when I can go to a website on April 1 and it will say the product will be released in late March.

Their preparations for this April Fool's prank were pretty impressive though.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Homage to the Best Card

« on: April 01, 2016, 09:43:52 pm »

Still better than double TM because at least one of those cards is a Herald.

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General Discussion / Re: Music talk

« on: April 01, 2016, 09:39:37 pm »

VKKM would be super godlike, but Huuto kind of ruins it just a little bit.

that's hilarious because to me it's easily the best song in their entire discography.

Usually I like Moonsorrow (especially Verisäkeet and newer and also Suden Uni and older) because it's larger-than-life without being overly cheesy. Huuto has it the other way around, it's overly cheesy without being larger-than-life.

I... guess I could see how you would call it cheesy, though I'd have said it's super emotional which is exactly what most of their albums lack. Do you man just the music or also the lyrics? Do you know what happens during the section of huuto?

I just mean the music. The lyrics are fine, the last people start eating each other when they run out of other food and then the last guy kills everyone else in sudden rage, and later he regrets it and starts to have nightmares about it (wasn't there an English translation though?).

How do most of their albums lack emotion? They do have tons of emotion, it's just presented very crudely and rawly. Except on Kivenkantaja where it's just as cheesy as Huuto, but it's still better because the songs are more interesting.

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General Discussion / Re: Music talk

« on: April 01, 2016, 09:14:29 pm »

VKKM would be super godlike, but Huuto kind of ruins it just a little bit.

that's hilarious because to me it's easily the best song in their entire discography.

Usually I like Moonsorrow (especially Verisäkeet and newer and also Suden Uni and older) because it's larger-than-life without being overly cheesy. Huuto has it the other way around, it's overly cheesy without being larger-than-life.

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General Discussion / Re: Music talk

« on: April 01, 2016, 08:58:36 pm »

New Moonsorrow kicks all the ass.

I liked the last one better. Apparently that's their least liked album though, even though it's their best. I'd say it seems on par with the ones before that.

I'd say V: Hävitetty > Jumalten Aika > Verisäkeet >> Varjoina Kuljemme Kuolleiden Maassa > Suden Uni >> Kivenkantaja >>> Voimasta Ja Kunniasta (which is still a very decent album). Jumalten Aika might move up or down exactly one spot when I get more familiar with it (moving down probably more likely).

VKKM would be super godlike, but Huuto kind of ruins it just a little bit.

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General Discussion / Re: Music talk

« on: April 01, 2016, 08:46:42 pm »

New Moonsorrow kicks all the ass.

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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part III

« on: April 01, 2016, 05:02:21 pm »

Where is the classic 'remove the restriction from forum games for overall posts' thing that theory does today? Totally slacking on the job.

Seems like a really tame April Fools' Day in general. I can't even find any new "leaked" Pokémon from Sun and Moon.

The gmail mic drop joke was brilliant though.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss... Adventures!

« on: April 01, 2016, 05:01:39 pm »

The evidence is not with you.  I notice that you yourself have participated in the discussion threads.  Donald has participated.  Many others have as well, most of whom aren't usually topic starters.

Yes, to not say anything useful. For instance, just now in the Adventurer thread, I said that Adventurer is useful when you super need more draw for your engine that already has other draw in it. That's pretty old news, I've been saying that for ages. Old news aren't useful.

Maybe it's not useful or enjoyable for you, but that doesn't necessarily apply to others.

Sorry about your father.

I'm pretty sure it's not useful for anyone, but I guess some are easily entertained.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss... Adventures!

« on: April 01, 2016, 02:13:23 pm »

The evidence is not with you.  I notice that you yourself have participated in the discussion threads.  Donald has participated.  Many others have as well, most of whom aren't usually topic starters.

Yes, to not say anything useful. For instance, just now in the Adventurer thread, I said that Adventurer is useful when you super need more draw for your engine that already has other draw in it. That's pretty old news, I've been saying that for ages. Old news aren't useful.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss... Adventures!

« on: April 01, 2016, 01:27:07 pm »

There is no substitute for simply playing the game, but talking about cards and situations is clearly beneficial to newer players and sometimes even veterans of the game. Just because you've been around the block and clearly know everything there is to know does not means others do. I don't see a reason not to have discussion about older cards at all.

I haven't "been around the block", I'm pretty new here. It doesn't mean I couldn't learn from the old discussions. In fact, that would be a way more efficient way to learn, because when something is being discussed for the 23423409th time, a lot of the people who have already had those 23423408 discussions no longer feel like participating in that discussion, and then you're getting a way worse discussion.

You're misreading.  What I'm saying is that there are plenty of people who have something to say that won't start discussions on their own.

Well, apparently those people still won't say anything if someone else starts the discussion, judging from how largely absent they've been here.

I mean, the second part is a productivity argument (ends-means). People can very often be wrong about that. But regarding first part - a pure consumption good - it's pretty mind baffling that you take a 'I know better' attitude on that.

Why wouldn't I?

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss... Adventures!

« on: April 01, 2016, 11:45:38 am »

Awaclus,

I like these threads. I have the feeling I gain benefit from them. If not information, than enjoyment. Do you think I am misguided, as in the case with alternative medicine (where people think there is a causal relationship between 'taking homeopathic stuf' and 'getting cured'), or not?

Not in the exact same sense as people who feel like they are physically cured by alternative medicine, but basically yes. I do believe that you could be doing better stuff with your time, both in terms of enjoyment and getting better at Dominion.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss... Adventures!

« on: April 01, 2016, 10:54:38 am »

Yeah, and we're using some of those infinite opportunities to talk about specific cards on a regular schedule. How is "let's talk about specific cards" not covered under that umbrella? If you don't like them don't read them. You can't simeltaneously argue that we can discuss dominion as much as we want but that we shouldn't have certain kinds of dominion discussion because they're "forced".

Having discussions on a regular schedule is not discussing Dominion as much as you want. It's discussing Dominion as much as you're obliged. That's why it's forced.

Well, even if you didn't find them useful, if at least one person found them useful then they'd be worth it. Since there's more than one person defending the usefulness of the discussions, I'd say they fulfilled their purposes.

I'm sure there are a lot of people finding alternative medicine useful as well even though I don't personally find it very useful. Those people finding it useful is not proof of it actually being useful in practice, although you could argue that it does mean that alternative medicine fulfills its purpose because people believe in it, depending on what you think is its purpose.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss... Adventures!

« on: April 01, 2016, 10:40:48 am »

Literally all discussions are "forced". You can't deny that starting these threads has led to useful discussions that wouldn't have happened if they didn't start. I want to talk about Dominion, that's why I log in here. No harm in creating new opportunities to do so.

Well, I can't say for sure, but off the top of my head, I certainly don't remember any useful discussions resulting from these threads. Instead, I remember useful discussions resulting from people asking kingdom-specific questions on the Help board, good players posting interesting games also on the Game Reports board, people posting articles on the Articles board, and occasionally there's something useful on the Dominion General board as well (but that's pretty rare).

You already have infinite opportunities to talk about Dominion simply by logging in.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss... Adventures!

« on: April 01, 2016, 09:39:18 am »

Why are we having forced discussions? If there's something you actually want to discuss (i.e. either you have something useful to say, or a useful question to ask (and to be very honest, "how does Smithy compare against Count" or "what is the exact number of Libraries you want in every game ever" or "what turn is the best time to buy Remodel" or "how does Village combo with Herbalist" aren't really the kind of questions we need to be asking about the base set right now)), make a thread on that subject or necro an existing one, because that is much more likely to inspire others to have something interesting to say on the subject as well, and you can do it whenever you want instead of waiting for all of the 134 discussions that are scheduled to be had before the discussion about the card you want to discuss. If there isn't anything you really want to discuss, why discuss anything?

Because of inertia.  If no discussion thread exists, people tend not to start a discussion.  If a discussion thread is made, people become more inclined to contribute and voice their opinion.

Well, that's precisely what I was suggesting. Start a discussion iff you have something to say.

It also stimulates discussion in areas where we might not otherwise go. Like right now, where we're actually discussing Adventurer.

And nobody has said anything useful that we didn't already know.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: F.DS Forum Survivor Season 3 - F9: Survivor Quiz

« on: April 01, 2016, 05:50:45 am »

You guys voted on Necropolis tribe.  You have a level 2 shelter, earning you 1 energy per day.  You also have hunting gear!  Including a machete.

Energy should be up to date.  You have until I have free time (and internet) to start the challenge to submit energy.  min 24 hours.

Where did you get free Internet?

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Adventurer

« on: April 01, 2016, 05:45:25 am »

To make it happen in an engine, you need a pretty specific environment.

- Treasures need to be part of your strategy, ideally a key part (Horn of Plenty?)
- Copper trashing must be available.
- ideally there is some sifting to ensure that you have enough treasures in your discard.
- Adventurer is usually only worth it if there is no better source of draw.

I think that Copper trashing not being available is more likely to make Adventurer worth it in an engine. If you can just trash your Coppers, either you're probably going to have enough draw anyway or it's not an engine board at all. When you can't trash them, at least Adventurer can help by removing them from your draw pile (and putting them into your hand instead).

How is it better than Moat then?

By virtue of being in the kingdom when Moat is not. It is pretty much worse than Moat in every way.

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Adventurer

« on: March 31, 2016, 08:56:32 pm »

To make it happen in an engine, you need a pretty specific environment.

- Treasures need to be part of your strategy, ideally a key part (Horn of Plenty?)
- Copper trashing must be available.
- ideally there is some sifting to ensure that you have enough treasures in your discard.
- Adventurer is usually only worth it if there is no better source of draw.

I think that Copper trashing not being available is more likely to make Adventurer worth it in an engine. If you can just trash your Coppers, either you're probably going to have enough draw anyway or it's not an engine board at all. When you can't trash them, at least Adventurer can help by removing them from your draw pile (and putting them into your hand instead).